Sunofone Posted June 27, 2005 Author #26 Share Posted June 27, 2005 another one bites the dust.....and another one down ....another one down... *************************************************************** A former high-ranking Republican official, also a well-respected author, tells the American people to stop listening to Bush administration lies about Iraqi war and claims the mainstream media will not publish anything he writes against Bush or his policies A former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan stepped back into the political spotlight this week, expressing doubt about the official 9/11 story and claiming "if they lied to us about Ruby Ridge, Waco and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, why should we believe them now." Paul Craig Roberts, listed by Who’s Who in America as one of the 1,000 most influential political thinkers in the world, has evolved over the years into a major Bush basher as well as neo con critic. Roberts said he hasn’t changed his political ideology or jumped from the Republican-conservative ship but "just can’t respect a party leadership who doesn’t respect the truth." He is another in the long list of "Republican faithful," including top-ranking government and military officials who have left or been pushed out Washington, since Bush’s neo con followers continue demonstrating a lack of desire and patience to compromise even with conservatives refusing "to toe the neo con line." Expressing doubt about the government’s official version of 9/11 but deferring detailed criticism to the experts, Roberts concerns come on the heels of recent criticism leveled by Morgan Reynolds, a former chief economist in the Bush I administration. Reynolds is the highest-ranking public official so far to step forward and criticize the government account of 9/11, calling the government story "bogus" and saying the WTC most likely fell from a controlled demolition. Saying 9/11 is only a part of a mysterious but deadly neo- con puzzle, Roberts looked back at history for some answers. "They (neo cons) are making such fatalistic mistakes and are about as insane as Hitler and the Nazi Party when they invaded Russia in the dead of the winter," said Roberts who now, as a hobby, syndicates a national newspaper column, adding to his long and impressive list of academic, journalistic and political credentials. Serving under President Reagan in 1981-82, Treasury Secretary Regan credited him with having a major role in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981. He was then awarded the Treasury Department’s Meritorious Service Award for "his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy." Roberts is given much of the credit for structuring and drafting a major portion of the famous Kemp-Roth bill as well as having a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy. In 1987, the French government recognized him as "the artisan of a renewal in economic science and policy after half a century of state interventionism," inducted him into the Legion of Honor. Even with his impressive background, Roberts, once a former columnist for Business Week and a thorn in the side of liberals back then, said "the times have drastically changed," adding his views are no longer welcome in the mainstream media if they are critical of Bush or any of his policies. " It’s like the Nazis removing dissent without using the Gestapo," said Roberts, whose articles are circulated widely on the Internet and appear regularly in the American Free Press, an alternative publication. "Most publications, like the Washington Times, for example, will not print anything critical of Bush, his strategies and, definitely, anything seriously opposing the war is off base." Although professing to know "a little about engineering" from his undergraduate days at Georgia Tech, Roberts deferred formulating any serious conclusions about the fall of the WTC, but expressed doubt as to the credibility of the entire official version based on past government lies uncovered at Waco, Ruby Ridge and the threat of WMD in Iraq. Roberts said the recent statements made by Reynolds, however, reveals just how flimsy and unbelievable the government story comes across. "This is not some kind of conspiracy nut or kook talking. He is a man with extremely qualified credentials, whose opinions I respect," said Roberts referring to Reynolds’ comments which have been highly publicized across the country. "The real story is not Morgan Reynolds or myself, but why have so many former Republican conservatives and top ranking officials who disagree with the neo cons been systematically run out of Washington? And, also, why is the media so intent on covering up the Bush-neo con agenda and all the mistakes surrounding it? "I guess the real story about 9/11 is about what the people are actually saying. I’ve gotten hundreds of emails in response to my columns and many of them talk about not getting the truth from the government or the media about what really happened at the World Trade Center. I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility." Besides 9/11 and blasting the neo con economic agenda as suicide for America, Roberts in his latest column seriously attacks the Bush Iraq war policy. Without mincing words, he wrote: " The reasons they (the American people) were given by their president, vice president, secretary of defense, national security adviser, secretary of state, and the sycophantic media were nothing but a pack of lies." Accusing Bush of also lying to the American people in his recent June 18 radio address, he added: "Bush again lied to the American people when he told them that the U.S. was forced into invading Iraq because of the Sept. 11 attack on the WTC. "Bush, the greatest disgrace that America has ever had to suffer, actually repeated at this late date the monstrous lie for which he is infamous throughout the world: ‘We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens.’" Roberts’ other impressive credentials include being awarded a John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy, a Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. In 1992, he received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism and, a year later, the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the country. He was also Distinguished Fellow at the Cato Institute from 1993 to 1996 while also from 1982 through 1993, holding the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3263 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted June 27, 2005 Author #27 Share Posted June 27, 2005 strike the hammer while...the iron is hot **************************************** Former MI5 Agent Says 9/11 An Inside Job Attack Was 'Coup de'tat,' Buildings Were Demolished By Controlled Demolitions Prison Planet | June 27, 2005 Former MI5 agent David Shayler, who previously blew the whistle on the British government paying Al Qaeda $200,000 to carry out political assassinations, has gone on the record with his conviction that 9/11 was an inside job meant to bring about a permanent state of emergency in America and pave the way for the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and ultimately Iran and Syria. David Shayler joined MI5 in October 1991 and worked there for five years. He started at F Branch (counter-subversion) in January 1992, and worked in T Branch (Irish terrorism) from August 1992 until October 1994. He left the organization in 1996. Shayler appeared on The Alex Jones Show to kick off what will be a wider public campaign to educate the public on 9/11 issues and government corruption. Shayler again risked jail by speaking out. The British government has a legal gag preventing him from speaking about his work during his MI5 tenure. Since what Shayler discussed was already on the public record (a consequence of which was his imprisonment on two separate occasions), he now feels safer in stepping back out into the limelight. Shayler delved into his past investigations and the evidence that led some within MI5 to conclude that the Israelis bombed their own London embassy in July 1994. Shayler said that the Israelis framed two Palestinians who remain in jail to this day. "The same thing has happened with two Palestinians who were convicted of conspiracy to cause the attack on the Israeli Embassy in Britain in 1994 but MI5 didn't disclose two documents which indicated their innocence. One document indicated another group had carried out the attack and the other document was the belief of an MI5 officer that the Israelis had actually bombed their own embassy and allowed a controlled explosion to try and get better security and these documents were never shown to the trial judge let alone the defense." Shayler said that his suspicions were first aroused about 9/11 when the usual route of crime scene investigation was impeded when the debris was immediately seized and shipped off to China. "It is in fact a criminal offence to interfere with a crime scene and yet in the case of 9/11 all the metal from the buildings is shipped out to China, there are no forensications done on that metal. Now that to me suggests they never wanted anybody to look at that metal because it was not going to provide the evidence they wanted to show people that it was Al-Qaeda." Shayler then went on to dismiss the incompetence theory. "The more I look at it, you realize that it's not incompetence. There were FBI officers all over the country, Colleen Rowley is obviously the one who managed to get a congressional hearing, but there was plenty of evidence certainly." "There are so many questions that need to be answered, protocols being overridden within national defense, people actively being stopped from carrying out investigations. This wasn't an accident, they were aware there was intelligence indicating those kind of attacks, there were FBI intercepts saying it in the days before the attacks. When you look at it all, that is a big big intelligence picture and yet these people were crucially stopped from doing their jobs, stopped from trying to protect the American people." Shayler elaborated by saying the evidence suggests the attack was originally meant to be much wider in scope and was an attempt at a violent coup intended to decapitate the entire government as a pretext for martial law. "So you're looking at a situation in which you almost have a coup de'tat because you've got to bear in mind that there were weapons discovered on planes that didn't take off on 9/11. Now people have obviously postulated that they were going perhaps to attack the White House, Capitol Hill. That looks to me like an attempt to destroy American government and declare a state of emergency, in fact a coup de'tat, a violent coup de'tat." "There are so very many questions about this and you realize again that none of the enquiries ever get to the bottom of any of these things, they don't take all the evidence, they don't often take any evidence under oath when they should be taking it under oath." Shayler was forthright in his assertion that the attack was planned and executed within the jurisdiction of the military-industrial complex. "They let it happen, they made it happen to create a trigger to be able to allow the invasion of Afghanistan, the invasion of Iraq and of course what they're trying to do now is the same thing with the invasion of Iran and Syria." Shayler ended by questioning the highly suspicious nature of the collapse of the twin towers and Building 7, the first buildings in history, all in the same day, to collapse from so-called fire damage alone. "I've seen the results of terroristic explosions and so on and no terrorist explosion has ever brought down a building. When the IRA put something like a thousands tonnes of home-made explosives in front of the Baltic Exchange building in Bishopsgate and let off the bomb, all the glass came out, the building shook a bit but there was no question about the building falling down and it doesn't obey the laws of physics for buildings to fall down in the way the World Trade Center came down. So you have the comparison of the two, Building 7 compared with the north and south towers coming down and those two things are exactly the same, they were demolished." David Shayler joins a spate of recent credible whistleblowers who share the same sentiments about the real story behind 9/11. Former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds publicly questioned the unexplained collapse of WTC Building 7 earlier this month. In addition, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, shared his concerns last week when he said the Bush Administration were making the same mistakes as the Nazis when they invaded Russia in the dead of Winter. Roberts seriously doubts the official explanation behind 9/11. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/fo..._inside_job.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Dolbrook Posted June 28, 2005 #28 Share Posted June 28, 2005 he's wrong about the metal guys!most of it is being used to make the uss new york in louisiania,that was on the history channel two weeks ago. by the way,when talking whistleblowers,does monica luewinsky qualify as one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted June 29, 2005 Author #29 Share Posted June 29, 2005 he's wrong about the metal guys!most of it is being used to make the uss new york in louisiania,that was on the history channel two weeks ago. 704143[/snapback] but hes not wrong about it being a criminal offense to tamper with evidence-- about the steel,they cant use salvaged scrap--its going to have to be recycled--any ideas on where this was done? china Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted July 1, 2005 Author #30 Share Posted July 1, 2005 (edited) mwuhaaahahahahah mwuhahahahaha ......bwahhahahah *********************************************** To add more fuel to the hot 9/11 controversy, William Rodriguez , the WTC janitor who heard and felt a strong explosion in the basement levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner crashed into the top floors, recently came forward to tell his story, adding further credibility to Reynolds’ conclusions. Rodriguez claims a massive underground explosion brought down the towers. His story is strengthened further by 14 other eye witnesses who can verify his claims, as well as a burn victim from the basement explosion who he helped to safety. Immediately following 9/11, Rodriguez tried to tell his story, but claims the 9/11 Commission and the mainstream media have systematically censored his words in order to protect the official government story, a story ignoring the possibility of explosives being used to bring down the WTC. Commenting on Rodriguez, Reynolds said: "It’s not a coincidence that there was first an explosion below and then the jetliner explosion seconds later above. At least there should have been a thorough investigation since the timing of the explosions strikes me as an impossibility if you believe, as the government contends, that only a jetliner brought down the towers." Reynolds added that nobody from the Bush administration has officially contacted him about his statements suggesting 9/11 was an "inside job," but said he was aware that "administration operatives" have carried his message into the halls of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. "How high up it went, I just don’t know," he added. Asked if he was going to continue to research and write about 9/11, Reynolds said: "Yes, of course, I see it as a citizen’s duty and I hope to do some more writing on the subject very soon." http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3278 more details Edited July 1, 2005 by Sunofone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted July 17, 2005 Author #31 Share Posted July 17, 2005 inside job,inside job,inside job--how long will the charade continue? ***************************************************************** Former Vietnam Combat and Commericail Pilot Firm Believer 9/11 Was Inside Government Job Posted on: 7/17/2005 7:54:00 AM - Columnist By Greg Szymanski There was no fooling former Air Force and commercial pilot Russ Wittenberg the morning of 9/11. He knew it was an inside job from the get-go, knowing the ‘big boys’ were up to the same dirty tricks they played in the Kennedy assassination and Pearl Harbor. The government may have fooled millions of Americans with its cockamamie official story, but the former fighter pilot who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam and who sat for 35 years in the cockpit for Pan Am and United, wasn’t one of them. Now, almost four years later, Wittenberg is still shaking his head in disbelief more than ever, saying the country he loved and fought so bravely 40 years ago has fallen in the deep, dark and sinister hands of fascist leaders who are quickly turning America into a military state. Although back in the beginning he seemed like a lone wolf in the hen house, he’s noticed, especially in the last six months, more Americans waking up to the cold reality that the U.S. government staged 9/1l, started an illegal war in Iraq and basically is criminally responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of innocent lives here and abroad. Even though it’s a hard pill for some to swallow, Wittenberg says Americans need to “wake up and wake up fast,” holding those in government responsible even though it may mean a total makeover of the American political system. And for these despicable actions now taking place in the name of freedom, the former F-100 Vietnam fighter pilot, who knows what it’s like to be in harms way, directed a little military jab toward the Commander and Chief, saying: “Oh, why doesn’t he wake up and just fall on his sword.” Talking about his obvious disgust for the Bush administration, he bundles 9/11 into the neo con’s “neat little contrived war package,” saying it was the lynch pin needed to usher in a state of constant fear, a climate of war and a perfect setting for the unconstitutional Patriot Act and eventual martial law. “If you would have told me back in the 1970s this was going to happen to America, I would have never imagined it. It’s just not the same country I grew up in as all our Constitutional freedoms are being stripped away right before our very eyes,” said Wittenberg in a telephone conversation from his home in Carefree Az., a picturesque and serene place on the map near Scottsdale. “The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple. I also thoroughly went over the recent 9/11 Commission report, finding about 110 outright lies and numerous other half-truths and omissions in an obvious cover-up of not only the truth but of a criminal investigation. “Condaleeza Rice lied through her teeth when she testified and if I would have had her on the stand for 10 minutes, I would have had her in tears.” Concerning 9/11, Wittenberg knew right off the bat the hijackers - who couldn’t handle a Piper Cub - couldn’t fly the ‘big birds” he flew for so many years, knowing the planes were also incapable of performing such high speed maneuvers as the government claimed. He also knew the possibility of jet fuel bringing down the towers made no sense. In fact, he knew the whole 9/11 story made about as much sense as crossing the Atlantic in a row boat. And right after 9/11 when it was unpopular and considered almost treasonous to question the government, Wittenberg became the first commercial airline pilot with experience flying the jets used in 9/11 to publicly denounce the government story. Although speaking publicly on many occasions about the fictitious government account of 9/11, it wasn’t until Sept. 16, 2004, his controversial remarks aired on Wing TV, sparking a heated debate among pilots and others clinging to the flimsy government account. Knowing the flight characteristics of the “big birds” like the back of his hand, Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77could have “descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon’s first floor wall without touching the lawn.” Wittenberg claimed the high speed maneuver would have surely stalled the jetliner sending it into a nose dive, adding it was “totally impossible for an amateur who couldn’t even fly a Cessna to maneuver the jetliner in such a highly professional manner, something Wittenberg said he couldn’t do with 35 years of commercial jetliner experience. “For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible – there is not one chance in a thousand,” said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727’s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737’s through 767’s it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying. “I had to be trained to use the new, computerized systems. I just couldn’t jump in and fly one,” he added. Finding more inconsistencies with the government story about Flight 77, Wittenberg recalled the recent statements made by a flight controller on an ABC 20/20 television program three months ago. “If you listened to her carefully only an experienced pilot probably would have known that what she was saying was scripted,” said Wittenberg. “Remember the transponder was turned off on Flight 77 and when this occurs, all the particular flight data like air speed and even the plane’s flight identification goes with it. “All that’s left on the controller’s screen is a green blip, that’s it. But here you have this flight controller on 20/20 saying she was tracking the flight with specific air speed and other coordinates which was totally impossible once the transponder was turned off. How would she even have known the flight number? The whole story is a pack of lies and this is just another example.” And from the moment Wittenberg called attention to the lies, he’s been in the cross hairs defending his story, defending it by using a little bit of psychology, a lot of history and asking critics to answer questions before drawing conclusions. “I’ve learned over the years, it’s hard to change anybody’s mind when they really aren’t listening,” said Wittenberg. “So, I just decided to fire back a lot of questions to those people who believe the government story. “I ask them explain how Building No.7 collapsed? I ask them why haven’t the “black boxes” been recovered? I ask them to explain how jet fuel – fuel that burns cold not hot -- could bring down two high rise structures when more than 90% of the fuel on board burned outside the buildings?” And Wittenberg has hundreds of other tough questions ready, but said it’s also important to put 9/11 and the Iraq war in a historical prospective. “Is 9/11 and the phony war on terror any different or more serious than Pearl Harbor and World War II?,” asks Wittenberg. “The bottom line is all wars are contrived and it is these rich bankers and financiers who have pulled the strings and who have put these contrived events like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor into motion.” Turning to the recent London bombings, Wittenberg said he’s tired of the “talking heads’ trying to analyze how to counter terror when “the real cause and effect issues” about the root problems with America and the world are being ignored. “It’s simply bizarre. Maybe our one-sided foreign policy that keeps getting us into all this trouble around the world should be seriously questioned,” said Wittenberg. “If we are really fighting terror, why are our borders just to the south completely wide open? It’s a joke.” Claiming the entire neo con scenario now playing out in America and around the world is based on the attempt to establish a one world government controlled by a select few, he said it’s difficult to figure out their true motives, adding he can only offer an educated guess based on what he’s studied and read. “Power corrupts, money isn’t enough and these people want total control,” added Wittenberg. “These elites actually think they are better than everybody else and basically want power and control over the diminishing resources by creating a one world government. Regarding another terror attack on American soil coming on the heels of the London bombings, he said “it’s not if but when,” claiming the unconstitutional Patriot Act is waiting in the wings to silence those Americans who may not fall in line with the government’s eventual takeover. “They passed it for a reason. The problem with our two party system is that the same group of gangsters controls both parties,” said Wittenberg, who didn’t vote for Bush or Kerry in the last election and was the former Arizona state chairman for Pat Buchanon’s failed presidential run in 2000. Although Wittenberg remains politically active and abreast of world affairs, he has left the political forefront, trying instead to raise public awareness about the danger of the neo con agenda. “More people are listening now, but it doesn’t surprise me that still a lot of people just don’t want to get involved, thinking things are just fine in America,” he added. “These people are perfectly content to play golf, watch the ballgame and not get involved.” http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted July 26, 2005 Author #32 Share Posted July 26, 2005 the heat is on ****************************************** Second WTC Janitor Comes Forward With Eye-Witness Testimony Of 'Bomb-Like' Explosion in North Tower Basement Jose Sanchez, while working in a sub-level 4 workshop of the north tower on 9/11, heard a bomb-like explosion, had his hair burned and rescued a co-worker who had his leg and knee broken from the basement blast taking place at the same time the jetliner struck the top floors. July 12, 2005 By Greg Szymanski A second WTC maintenance worker has now come forward with eye-witness testimony that a massive explosion erupted in the lower levels of the north tower at approximately the same time the jetliner struck the tower’s top floors. Jose Sanchez, 45, of New Jersey in a never-released tape recorded statement made in early 2002 to William Rodriguez, the first WTC maintenance man to claim a bomb exploded in the north tower basement, said he heard what sounded like a “huge bomb,” causing lights to flicker on and off, while he worked in a small sub-level 4 workshop. Sanchez, who worked for American Building Maintenance Co. at the WTC for 14 years, was unavailable for comment, but made the taped 2002 statement to Rodriguez, recounting his 9/11 personal experience. Sanchez, who fell on hard times after 9/11, revealed the details of a basement bomb-like explosion while Rodriguez and two CNN interns, Carolina Inojosa and Evita Zerebrinsky, interviewed victims and documented information for the many unfortunate people having trouble getting needed government assistance after 9/11. Besides questioning the credibility of the official story that burning jet fuel was the only factor in bringing down the towers, Rodriguez formed an assistance organization called the Hispanic Victims Group instrumental in helping hundreds of people get help after 9/11 left many victims unemployed and homeless. “I knew Jose very well since we worked for the same company,” said Rodriguez in a telephone conversation from his New Jersey apartment. “At the time, I taped his statements, I was more concerned about getting people needed assistance and, anyway, back then I really thought the government was seriously investigating the WTC attacks. “But since then I have learned otherwise. I realize now they are covering-up the real truth and that’s why I want to release Jose’s statement. What really upsets me and, you can take this message to the White House, is that people like Jose and many others like him who experienced what happened in the basement of the north tower were simply ignored and never interviewed by the 9/11 Commission. “If they really wanted to get at the truth, these are the very people who should have been interviewed, not public officials who knew very little about what occurred inside the buildings that tragic morning. “However, instead we all have been ignored in order to cover up the truth. The victims, those who died and the families who lost loved ones deserve nothing less than the truth and I intend to keep talking until the truth is finally told.” Sanchez’s explosive comments, shooting another large hole in the government story, now adds even more credibility to Rodriguez’s recent statements that he heard a massive explosion in the WTC basement just seconds prior to the jetliner striking above while working in a sub-level 1 office along side 14 others, all who heard and felt the very same thing as Rodriguez. Since the outset, the government has stood firm that only burning jet fuel brought down the towers, but has ignored mounting eye-witness testimony and scientific data showing that a controlled demolition was an additional cause. The government also has not fully explained why it immediately tampered with a crime scene, a criminal offense, by having all the hard evidence from the WTC removed and shipped overseas before independent investigators had a chance to study the structural components of the towers in order to help determine the real cause of the tower’s collapse. cont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted August 8, 2005 Author #33 Share Posted August 8, 2005 (edited) 87' people --can i get a shout out as to the absurdity of the official story now!!!! ******************************************************************** Bin Laden Brothers Tip-Off Two NASA Research Scientists In 1987 About U.S. Government Plans To Cause 9/11; Now Third Person Comes Forward To Verify Scientists' Incredible Story Besides the tip-off about 9/11, one of the researchers involved in a government-funded advanced brain development program says she uncovered a secret study called "Global Cleanse 2000" outlining U.S. Government strategies for intitiating global war and population reduction. By Greg Szymanski Rene Welch knew her life would never be the same when she went public about her two 1987 encounters with Saudi royals, including two of the bin Laden brothers, who claimed the U.S. government was actively involved in pre-arranging 9/11. Although she knew she would meet government resistance and public skepticism, Welch went public anyway, trusting in her faith in God and knowing she was telling the truth. Welch’s incredible story, first made public in May, has already been verified by one other former NASA scientist. But this week another person present at the meeting also came forward to verify Welch’s story. The meetings with the Saudis took place in Sedona and Paradise Valley, Arizona, and lasted more than eight hours each time, the bin Ladens revealing in 1987 detailed plans how the U.S. government was planning to attack the World Trade Center, kicking off a global catastrophe, including a massive war in the Middle East. Besides being verified by Ronald Logsdon, 49, of Philadelphia, a scientist who worked in a NASA program with Welch and also present at the bin Laden meetings, this week long time Sedona resident, Naomi Niles, also verified the Sedona meeting took place. “Yes, I was there at one of the meetings back in 1987,” said Niles this week from her Sedona home, adding the details of the story should be left for Logsdon and Welch to describe since she was not a part of the NASA program. And Welch not only learned about the U.S. government’s pre-planning of 9/11 from the bin Ladens back in 1987, but this week from her Albuquerque home Welch added more, saying when working for NASA as a scientist on brain development research in Phoenix, she obtained a secret computer code and was able to uncover the findings of a government-funded project titled “Global Cleanse 2000,” a study outlining strategies for global war and population reduction. After learning of the government’s evil intentions almost 20 years ago and being a government target ever since, Welch said she always knew going public was one of the most difficult decisions she ever made in her life. But two months ago Welch decided to tell America what she learned about the U.S. government’s pre-planning of 9/11, saying although the story’s a hard pill to swallow and “may sound unbelievable,” she felt the need to risk public humiliation, government harassment and warn Americans anyway. “Just like before, they’ll be after me again now that I went public,” said Welch who has been drugged and beaten on several occasions by government operatives. And since she went public in May the harassment stated again, starting in the similar subtle manner it did after she was unexpectedly approached by the Saudis, including the bin Ladens. But Welch, instead or running and hiding, is now prepared to fight back hard, making public a 200 page document detailing information obtained about the staging of 9/11, Global Cleanse 2000 and about FBI and CIA civil rights violations. “I’m naming names and want justice,” added Welch. She also said she wants to document her story in a book, starting from the time she was a ‘military brat,’ her father being an Air Force B-52 pilot, when at the age of three she displayed exceptional ESP abilities and channeling powers, powers that eventually led her into the NASA program as an adult. Concerning the 200 page diaries documenting her FBI troubles and knowledge of 9/11, copies of the documents have previously been sent to several members of the former Clinton White House, including Hillary Clinton, as well as to Taos , NM . former district attorney John Paternoster, who Welch approached in 1995 about government death threats. Paternoster, now in private practice in Taos , recently said he couldn’t remember ever meeting Welch or hearing about the bin Laden story. “He knows me and an investigator named Martinez was even assigned to my case,” said Welch this week in a telephone conversation from her New Mexico home. “I saw him several times and even have kept receipts from his office, given to me regarding the 200 page document I gave him. He just wants the whole thing to go away and is probably afraid to tell the truth. Regarding possible FBI and CIA further retaliation, she added: “What’s the difference if they’re planning global war and mass population reduction,” said Welch. “When I worked for NASA Application Technical Center In Phoenix, involved in brain development and mind control projects, I accessed the code for the computers and read a secret project they were working on called “Global Cleanse 2000,” outlining certain strategies like 9/11 to start a global war and how other strategies regarding how to reduce the world’s population. link Edited August 8, 2005 by Sunofone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted September 5, 2005 Author #34 Share Posted September 5, 2005 ok this doctor has a govt source that spilled the beans out of fear for his life(due to a life threatening rash from radioactive exposure)--he is clear about both oklahoma and 9/11 being inside jobs and that all of delta force is aware of this fact-- ********************************************************************** Bacteriologist and Government Insider Claims Oklahoma City and 9/11 Both 'Inside Jobs' Despite threats on his life, Dr. Bill Deagle went public after being told by credible sources U.S. government brought about Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11 tragedy. September 5, 2005 By Greg Szymanski Dr. Bill Deagle has been on a government hit list more than once in his life, each time brushing it aside like a common cold. Each time instead of running, hiding and shutting his mouth like a good government hack, he stood his ground, refusing to give into threats and intimidation. Dr. Deagle, instead of playing the game, did what’s right. He stood his ground, told the truth and defied the odds, since many other whistle blowers have been bumped-off for knowing a lot less. And to say that Dr. Deagle “has heard too much about too many big things” is an understatement. However, to say that Dr. Deagle, heard some things implicating the government big time is not quite accurate. It’s not quite accurate since it’s positively necessary to times the “big time” about what he knows by two and then, only then, is the statement even close to being correct. So what really does the good doctor, a doctor who practices occupational medicine as a biochemist and bacteriologist while treating government employees exposed to radiation and toxic waste, have in his black bag that’s so damaging to the government? What is it that makes the government want to put a 45 caliber bullet through the good doctor’s heart? Ask this: If you had solid information given to you by credible sources implicating the government conclusively in not only the Oklahoma City bombing but also 9/11, what would you do? Would you run and hide or would you talk? What would you do if you had two bombshells laid on you in one lifetime when one is probably too much for any man to live with? In 1995, when this question was posed to Dr. Deagle, he decided to take the high road and talk. He decided to try and alert the American people about the truth, no matter how dangerous. And today 11 years later Dr. Deagle, who now chooses for safety reasons to live in Canada, is talking louder than ever, even taking his message to the radio air waves twice weekly on the Genesis truth radio network. Although a media personality by nature, Dr. Deagle decided to do the show to reach more people with the truth and to keep in the public eye in order to stay alive. And knowing what Dr. Deagle knows, it’s a miracle he’s stayed alive this long. Military Forensic Expert, On Bomb Site Within 24 Hours, Implicates Government In Oklahoma City Dr. Deagle’s twist of fate that turned him into probably one of the most significant whistle blowers in modern times began about two months after the Oklahoma City bombing when he was treating one of the five government forensic experts in charge toxicology reports and cleaning up the Oklahoma City bomb site. His “wake-up call to the truth,” as Dr. Deagle likes to call it, came when working at St. Francis Hospital for the Colorado Center of Occupational Medicine, while testing patients for respiratory issues related to chemical exposure. During a routine check-up of one of the five bomb experts, one of them spilled the beans, telling Dr. Deagle a story that would change the course and direction of his life forever. The patient, who Dr. Deagle has kept anonymous under the doctor-patient privilege, has since been court-martialed from the military. “Most of the guys were pretty straight-forward with their physical complaints, but this one man looked really frightened, acting like he wanted to tell me something,” said Dr. Deagle this week in an extended telephone conversation from his home in Nova Scotia. After prodding the patient to open–up and checking a severe rash, the military forensic expert, who arrived at the Oklahoma bombing scene within 24 hours, finally came clean with his story about finding more than the remains of Timothy McVey’s fertilizer truck. “He looked at me with this frightened look and finally came clean,” recalls Dr. Deagle about the routine check-up that turned into a confession about government complicity in the bombing. “He told me they removed two softball size micro-chip nukes as well as removing C-4 pineapples and many C-4 placer charges systematically put throughout the building. “He said he had to tell somebody but feared he would be killed if this ever leaked out. He then went on to say that special FBI units placed the nuke charges in he building to bring it down as a plan to one day bring about martial law.” Although Dr. Deagle will not give his name, he said the man was based at Ft. Carson in the military forensics unit and was in his late 30’s or early 40’s, adding he was under strict orders to keep his findings secret. “He told me the building blew up from the inside out and the truck used by McVey was just a decoy,” said Dr. Deagle, who originally aired a partial account of his findings on the Alex Jones truth-radio show. “I remember him saying specifically that he was under orders to leave any radioactive materials in military quarantine or otherwise be shot.” Since loose lips usually sink ships, word got out at Ft. Carson quickly about what Dr. Deagle learned from the forensic expert, who eventually was court-martialed. Dr. Deagle then was confronted by his supervising military physician, Air Force Maj. Dr. George Schwinder, who warned him he was in ‘big trouble.” “My boss looked at me with a cynical doctor’s smile and said ‘you’re dead, Deagle,’” he recalls about a month after the tell-all session took place with the forensic expert. “At that point, I told him I had a hidden vault of information and I wouldn’t hesitate at going public if anyone tried to harm me or my family. “Later they cut me a five-figure check and I was gone, but I remember telling them even if they killed me, I wasn’t going quietly.” FBI Head of Bio-Terrorism Tells Dr. Deagle About 9/11 Government Plot in 1999 Three years past after the Ft. Carson incident, the government kept close tabs on Dr, Deagle, tapping his phone and committing other numerous violations of his constitutional privacy rights. In 1999, he found himself in Denver working at the Rocky Mountain Occupational Medical Center, where he worked closely with the Center of Disease Control (CDC) examining patients, mostly from military facilities, who were exposed to radioactivity and plutonium in a highly contaminated area of Rocky Flats, Colorado. Then in March of 2001 at a causal lunch during an infectious disease conference in Denver, a high-ranking FBI official, who perhaps had too much wine at lunch, told Dr. Deagle about months in advance about the scenario involving what occurred on 9/11. “When 9/11 happened, I knew right away it was a government inside as I thought about what the head of bio-terrorism told me March,” said Dr. Deagle. “And, now years later, many of my military contacts have confirmed the Twin Towers were brought down by a controlled demolition with bombs being placed in the basements of both towers. “It’s important to recognize that what Condaleeza Rice testified to was a lie. There were actual simulations and many warnings prior to 9//11 about airplanes being used to bring down the Twin Towers. If I knew this, how could she not know if she was the National Security Advisor at the time. Dr. Deagle said he was tipped-off the U.S. government has a hand in bringing about 9/11 at the March 2001 Denver lunch with Jay Reddington, one of top government infectious disease specialist and the CDC FBI directors for bio-terrorism. “My vessels were popping out of my neck when the FBI head told me there was a 95% chance there would be a large terrorist attack in the upcoming months, using jets as weapons in the Twin Towers,” said Dr. Deagle. “He kept talking about using nukes and dirty bombs to bring down the buildings. “Of course, you have to remember this was pre-9/11 and during the course of this conversation, everything appeared to be speculation. However, looking back, he must have known something. I am sure of it. In fact, he was confirming at that time there was going to be a terrorist attack that would usher in martial law and the National ID card, which has subsequently been passed into law. “Also, in February 2002 I went to a bio-terrorism conference in St. Louis and for three days I talked with Delta Force and special ops guys, all of them saying they know 9/11 was staged and that our own government was in control and pulling the strings of terrorism. They warned me that the next event was going to be a radiological event involving six major cities, including Chicago, Denver, Atlanta, Seattle, Boston and San Diego. “I remember them mentioning those cities and that it would involve dirty bombs and that the suit case nukes already would be pre-placed in core areas of the cities with the help of Mossad agents. “I want to emphasize that the same scenario was repeated over and over again and these men were angry as they talked how these rogues placed in positions of power were trying to bring about martial law through fear and terrorism. From what I’ve learned. I am almost sure there will be a radiological event within the next 6 to 24 months. ” Dr. Deagle Continues to Pursue Truth, Knowing the U.S. Government Sponsors Terrorism with Martial Law on the Horizon Since going public and trying to alert Americans about the truth, Dr. Deagle has moved to Canada for his own safety, but has continued to aggressively research matters concerning the neo-con plot to destroy America under the guise of the New World Order. A meticulous researcher, Dr. Deagle uncovered the already functioning National ID data base center located at Falcon Air Force Base (renamed Shreevers Air Force Base) as well as an advanced and already functioning military operation to micro-chip all Americans. Besides these two obvious unconstitutional and evasive measures which invade privacy, he said what disturbs him even more are the complicated and expansive system of underground tunnels and detainment facilities already existing throughout America. “Something really bad is going to happen in America and that is why I moved my family to Canada,” said Dr. Deagle, who has also been harassed professionally by an organized group trying to black ball him from practicing medicine in Canada even though he holds a valid license in Colorado. link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted September 8, 2005 Author #35 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Feds knew about 9-11 bribery conspiracy before attacks by Tom Flocco ORLANDO, FL -- Tuesday, July 13, 2004 Posted 1:30 PM EDT -- TomFlocco.com -- Homeland Security whistleblower Mary Schneider is naming names, revealing that former FBI Director Louis Freeh, Attorney General John Ashcroft, FBI Director Robert Mueller and numerous U.S. senators and congressmen knew before the September 11 attacks that U.S. immigration officials were bribed by an illegal Moroccan Muslim allegedly linked to Osama bin Laden’s half-brother. This according to Schneider, who was told about the illegal alien's ties to terrorism by outside informant Bonnie Sharrit. Khalil bin Laden was allowed to leave the country after 9-11 via a documented 140-person multi-flight Saudi airlift through the auspices of the White House who declined to hold Khalid as a material witness. The bin Laden brother has suspicious connections to the Tri-Border frontier region of Brazil--known for evidence of terrorism--but also Khalil's inquiries to informant Bonnie Sharrit about bringing in Arabs from Saudi Arabia and Brazil to attend a Florida flight school. The Sharrit’s informant daughter Christine later revealed that a Muslim named Lyazid Abad had previously lived with alleged hijacker Mohamed Atta--a fact not lost on the Department of Defense Criminal Investigation Division (DOD-CID) who questioned Christine Sharrit--Abad’s wife--immediately after 9-11, indicating U.S. officials knew about Abad’s and Atta’s movements prior to the attacks. But the government now wants Lyazid Abad immediately deported from the U.S. and away from a potential grand jury. According to records from the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida--but also our phone calls to the Board of Immigration Appeals and the Immigration Court public affairs office--on June 15 the Department of Homeland Security moved to deport illegal Moroccan Muslim Lyazid Abad after an exclusive May 26, 2004 TomFlocco.com story was posted in which Schneider implicated Abad in a sham marriage bribery conspiracy allegedly linked to Mohamed Atta, Khalil bin Laden and the 3,000 death mass murder on 9-11. [Mary Schneider vs. John Ascroft & James Ziglar, Commissioner, U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)] This morning, U.S. Immigration Court public affairs officer Susan Eastwood called TomFlocco.com to confirm that Lyazid Abad had been ordered deported on June 15, raising serious questions as to why the government is suddenly deporting Abad--given his alleged ties to Atta and bin Laden. In 1998--five years after the first World Trade Center attack, Bonnie Sharrit told Schneider she had copies of two $1,500 Tampa bank money orders purchased by Abad and made out to Orlando immigration supervisors Susan Dugas and Stella Jarina to allegedly bribe them for a green card. Dugas and Jarina then kept Abad's case locked in their offices without action or denial of green card for the next six years. While his application remained pending, this allowed Abad to live, work and travel freely in the U.S., allegedly continuing an al Qaeda terrorist cell support system in central Florida for Atta and others. But Schneider also told TomFlocco.com in a series of interviews that she advised all government officials named in this story that immigration officials surreptitiously removed felony fraud case files from her office after hours, took her official case notes detecting felony activity just prior to approving illegal Muslims for green cards with ensuing U.S. citizenship, destroyed incriminating video tape evidence, arranged for a counterfeit search warrant to be served to coerce key evidence from informants, and that she personally witnessed with other office staff the shredding of seven years of official daily interview logs so no audit could take place regarding the immigration violations. Schneider’s letters and faxes to the 9-11 Commission have also met with no response or request to hear her testimony--either in public or in private. A court-designated whistleblower with federal protection, Schneider added that prior to the 9-11 attacks she contacted Ashcroft six times--including February, March, April, and August 9, 2001--32 days before the attacks, Freeh ten times, Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General Glen Fine seven times--including December 26, 2000 and August 9, 2001, Mueller once--August 9, 2001, but also members of Congress to report that U.S. immigration officials took monetary bribes to assure green cards for illegal Muslims, which facilitated their ability to remain in the U.S. to develop terrorist support networks. The Sharrits told Schneider that Lyazid Abad had lived with Atta and other Arabs in a central Florida apartment while engaging with other nationals in felony fraud sham marriages to remain in the country; but the Sharrits told Schneider that Abad was also associated with Khalil bin Laden who owns a 20-acre estate in Winter Garden--just minutes from Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom. A former contract security officer in the Orlando immigration office confirmed what appeared to be evidence of ongoing bribery of federal officials after 9-11 according to Schneider: "The security officer told my attorney Donald Appignani and me that on at least 25 different occasions, aliens appearing for their green card interviews were found to have in their possession sums of cash in the amounts of $5,000 to $8,000 which were brought into the offices of immigration officials here in Orlando." Within three months after this issue was addressed in the February, 2003 court deposition of Orlando immigration supervisor Susan Dugas in Schneider vs. Ashcroft & Zigler, the security officer was relocated from the Orlando office after reporting the incidents. The FBI, INS, senators and congressmen with full knowledge failed to take any action to stop the bribery. Schneider said she contacted U.S. Senators more than one year before the attacks about the allegations linked to Abad and Khalil bin Laden--including Bob Graham (D-FL), Trent Lott (R-TX), Richard Shelby (R-AL), Arlen Specter (R-PA), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), but also Congressmen Cliff Stearns (R-FL), Joe Scarborough (former Florida Republican congressman and current MSNBC host), Walter Jones (R-NC), Harold Rogers (D-KY), Corrine Brown (D-FL), John Mica (R-FL), Bill McCollum (former Florida Republican congressman and current U.S. Senate candidate), former Florida congressional Republicans Charles Canady (R-FL) and Tillie Fowler (R-FL), Lamar Smith, (R-TX) Dan Burton (R-IN) and David Weldon (R-FL). Besides multiple contacts with the FBI, INS and Congress before the attacks, Schneider also sent letters since 9-11 to all members of both the Senate and House Permanent Select Intelligence Committees who have ignored and thus far failed to respond to her pleas for action to remove the terrorist cells. This, as Byron York of National Review Online (9-11-2002) quoted FBI spokesman Bill Carter: "Unless you have evidence to stop them from leaving the country [Khalil bin Laden and other family members who the White House failed to hold as material witnesses--allowing them to leave the U.S. days after the attacks], they have every right to do that," Carter explained. Another 9-11 Racketeering Scandal? "In June, 1998, I came in for work and found that the box in my office safe was damaged and my computer was illegally tampered with," Mary Schneider told TomFlocco.com." She continued: "the only individuals with access to the combination were my supervisors Susan Dugas and Officer-in-Charge (OIC) Stella Jarina." "The following morning outside informant Bonnie Sharrit phoned me to inquire why I had been giving my name and leaving harassing phone messages on their home answering machine for the past few months. I denied making the calls; and as we continued to converse, Bonnie said it was not my voice on the machine, but she provided me with the phone number on their caller-ID," said Schneider. "I informed her that the phone calls were originating from the Orlando immigration inspections booth," said Schneider, adding "within a week the Sharrits and their daughter Christine met with me to discuss their case involving Christine’s Moroccan husband." "While I had never met the Sharrits prior to Bonnie calling my office, Bonnie and Ed Sharrit told me their daughter had married an illegal Moroccan Muslim named Lyazid Abad, who I later discovered had lived with Mohamed Atta before marrying their daughter Christine," the immigrations official told us. Schneider continued, "When the Sharrits returned home, Abad verbally attacked them, stating he knew they had been meeting with me because ‘Supervisor Susan’ [Dugas] had phoned him," adding "Bonnie Sharrit had already told me that she and her husband had seen copies of money orders purchased by Lyazid Abad in the amounts of $1,500 drawn on a Tampa bank and made out to my supervisors Susan Dugas and Stella Jarina." The Sharrits also told Schneider they discovered that Abad was in possession of Orlando INS Officer-in-Charge Stella Jarina's private personal phone number, when Schneider herself did not have Jarina's personal number after working with her for 18 months. "I immediately reported these criminal activities to Director John Chase’s Office of Internal Audit (OIA) at INS Headquarters. I spoke to Supervisor Domenic Wazielewski, reporting the felony impersonation of a federal officer via harassing phone calls to the Sharrits, extreme security violation in accessing my assigned, numbered document approval stamp, illegal access to my combination safe, illegal access to my computer and the bribery of my office supervisors," said Schneider. "This was all documented by government memoranda--faxed and mailed to OIA and dated June 23, 1998; but within two weeks Director John Chase authorized his agent Dalton (Dale) McIntosh to fly to Orlando to investigate me on a bogus complaint filed by an alien in a sham marriage who I did not approve for a green card. And I was investigated even though the video tape of the interview provided advance evidence exonerating me of his trumped charges," said Schneider, adding "McIntosh’s trip expense was an abuse of U.S. taxpayer funds." She continued, "Before McIntosh’s arrival in Orlando, he made harassing phone calls from INS Headquarters in Washington, DC to Bonnie Sharrit at her home, Ed Sharrit at his office and myself at the INS office," offering further that "when McIntosh came into my office to interrogate me, he ordered me to turn off my tape recorder--but I refused, accusing him of violating the Congressional Whistleblower Protection Act." "When I refused to turn off the tape recorder for my protection, McIntosh brought in my OIC Stella Jarina who ordered me to turn it off under threat of termination from federal service. But I refused to do so, even as her hands shook so profusely that she could barely write, and the union steward with me witnessed the whole thing; so McIntosh then refused to conduct the interrogation since I continued to tape him for the record," said Schneider. "The next morning, McIntosh failed to meet with informants Bonnie and Ed Sharrit at his hotel lobby--an appointment he had arranged and for which the Sharrits had both taken time off from work. He never contacted them, canceled or left them a message, thus helping to suppress evidence regarding a bribery conspiracy linked to Lyazid Abad, Mohamed Atta and Khalil bin Laden," said Schneider. "I personally appeared at the FBI’s Orlando office in July, 1998 and handed letters and information about the bribery conspiracy to duty agent Wendy Evans," adding "the FBI never contacted me before September 11, 2001 or since the attacks." Fake search warrant served to confiscate incriminating evidence much more... 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Sunofone Posted November 11, 2005 Author #36 Share Posted November 11, 2005 (edited) more and more people are gaining confidence in the truth movement and more and more people keep coming forward!! another worth mention-- ******************************************************************** Flt 93 And Flt 175 Landed At Or Near Cleveland On 911 -- Says Former Cleveland Mayor Cincinnati WCPO TV Cover-Ups Why Account Removed From Web Site By Greg Szymanski 11-11-5 State sponsored U.S. media ignores story, leaving 'internet hounds' to smell out the truth behind what really happened to the passengers on the doomed flights. On the morning of 9/11 a little known Cincinnati television station ran a story saying Flight 93 landed at Cleveland International Airport instead of crashing in Pennsylvania as claimed in the official government story. Reporters at WCPO Channel 9 quoted then Cleveland Mayor Michael R. White as saying "a Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing due to a bomb threat," the airplane landing safely, moved to a secure location and evacuated. The early morning report went on to say United Airlines verified the plane as Flight 93, but was also deeply concerned about another jetliner in the vicinity, Flight 175, flying from Boston to Los Angeles. Also included in the little known news report was a comment from United CEO, James Goodwin, who said, "The thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with everyone on the ground who may have been involved. United Airlines is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on these flights." Former Mayor White, as well as United and WCPO, could not be reached for comment, but the evidence still remains, even though it was suspiciously removed from the television's web site in June 2004 in and around the time of the 9/11 Commission hearings. With the evidence trail getting colder and colder, the obvious still must be asked: if Flight 175 was slamming into the South Tower and Flight 93 was downed over Pennsylvania like the government contends, why was Mayor White saying both planes were in or in the vicinity of Cleveland? link Edited November 12, 2005 by Sunofone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted November 12, 2005 Author #37 Share Posted November 12, 2005 did somebody say expert?? ********************************************************************* Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC By Elaine Jarvik Deseret Morning News The physics of 9/11 — including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell — prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor. In fact, it's likely that there were "pre-positioned explosives" in all three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones. In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer-reviewed publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the Web site www.wtc7.net, whose research Jones quotes. Jones' article can be found at www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html. "It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three (WTC) buildings," BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones says. Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation "guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations. "It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes — which were actually a diversion tactic," he writes. "Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes. As for speculation about who might have planted the explosives, Jones said, "I don't usually go there. There's no point in doing that until we do the scientific investigation." Previous investigations, including those of FEMA, the 9/11 Commission and NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology), ignore the physics and chemistry of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, to the Twin Towers and the 47-story building known as WTC 7, he says. The official explanation — that fires caused structural damage that caused the buildings to collapse — can't be backed up by either testing or history, he says. Jones acknowledges that there have been "junk science" conspiracy theories about what happened on 9/11, but "the explosive demolition hypothesis better satisfies tests of repeatability and parsimony and therefore is not 'junk science.' " In a 9,000-word article that Jones says will be published in the book "The Hidden History of 9/11," by Elsevier, Jones offers these arguments: • The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" — and even then it's very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when 'toppling over' falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The 'symmetry data' emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an 'inside' job." • No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says. • WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors — and intact steel support columns — the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says. • With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing — and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon." • Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says. • Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel — and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says. • Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says. • Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says. Jones says he became interested in the physics of the WTC collapse after attending a talk last spring given by a woman who had had a near-death experience. The woman mentioned in passing that "if you think the World Trade Center buildings came down just due to fire, you have a lot of surprises ahead of you," Jones remembers, at which point "everyone around me started applauding." Following several months of study, he presented his findings at a talk at BYU in September. Jones says he would like the government to release 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage for "independent scrutiny." He would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at Ground Zero.link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbonium Posted November 13, 2005 #38 Share Posted November 13, 2005 He would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at Ground Zero Wouldn't that be quite the "smoking gun" to see? Fat chance - the molten pools were not even mentioned by FEMA or NIST in their reports. They went down the same black hole as the Pentagon videos, the WTC steel, the black boxes, the ATC tapes, JFK's brain and the extra bullets, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted December 18, 2005 Author #39 Share Posted December 18, 2005 another professor from a ditinguished learning establishment steps forward to put his name on the list of those that DO NOT accept the official "theory" put forth by the govt!!! ******************************************************************** Distinguished University of Minnesota Philosophy Professor Joins 9/11 Fight, Saying the Truth Must Be Uncovered James H.Fetzer, PhD., has publicly thrown his hat in the ring to support other professors seriously questioning and casting doubt on the official 9/11 story. 16 Dec 2005 By Greg Szymanski A University of Minnesota philosophy professor, like an unexpected Christmas snowstorm, has dropped a large bundle of holiday cheer on the 9/11 truth movement, as this week he has thrown his hat into the ring with others seeking the truth. “I stand with Steve Jones, professor of physics at BYU and David Ray Griffin, professor emeritus of Theology at Claremont and other students and scholars of 9/11, who believe that extraordinary times require extraordinary measures,” said James H. Fetzer, PhD., a distinguished McNight University professor at the University of Minnesota at Duluth. Professor Fetzer now becomes another in a long list of academicians, including Jones and Griffin, who have cast severe doubt on the credibility of the government’s official 9/11 story, calling for a renewed debate and independent investigation to get at the truth. Fetzer has published more than 100 articles and reviews as well as 20 books in the philosophy of science and on the theoretical foundations of computer science, artificial intelligence, and cognitive science. According to his biography on this web page, his publications have been divided by area, including special vitae for computer science, artificial intelligence, cognitive science, evolution and cognition, and his applied philosophical research on the death of JFK. Fetzer, who just entered the public 9/11 arena this week, agreed to appear next Monday on Greg Szymanski’s nationwide radio show, the Investigative Journal, on the Republic Broadcasting Network at www.rbnlive.com to explain why he has joined in the 9/11 truth fight. As expected, a philosophy professor digs deep into the heart of the matter, dissecting words and meanings Before talking about specific evidence, Fetzer provides this illuminating discussion on “conspiracy theories,” relating to 9/11 in a recent paper he wrote called “Thinking About Conspiracy Theories: 9/11 and JFK.” “One fascinating aspect of 9/11 is that the official story involves collaboration between some nineteen persons in order to bring about illegal ends and thus obviously qualifies as a conspiracy theory,” wrote Fetzer. “When critics of the government offer an alternative account that implicates key figures of the government in 9/11, that obviously qualifies as a ‘conspiracy theory’, too. But what matters now is that we are confronted by alternative accounts of what happened on 9/11, both of which qualify as "conspiracy theories". It is therefore no longer rational to dismiss one of them as a "conspiracy theory" in favor of the other. The question becomes, which of two ‘conspiracy theories’ is more defensible?” After setting the record straight on conspiracy theories, Fetzer in his paper delves into an analysis of the 9/11 evidence, saying that the controlled demolition of the WTC must be taken seriously. “Most Americans may not realize that no steel-structure high-rise building has ever collapsed from fire in the history of civil engineering, either before or after 9/11,” wrote Fetzer. “If we assume that those fires have occurred in a wide variety of buildings under a broad range of conditions, that evidence suggests that these buildings do not have a propensity to collapsed as an effect of fire. That makes an alternative explanation, especially the use of powerful explosives in a controlled demolition, a hypothesis that must be taken seriously.” Besides the WTC, Fetzer also provides a detailed analysis of the Pentagon crash, questioning as many before him, “What Really Happened?” In his paper, he states: “If a small fighter jet rather than a Boeing 757 had hit the Pentagon, that would tend to explain the small impact point, the lack of massive external debris, and a hole in the inner ring of the building, which the fragile nose of a Boeing 757 could not have created. “It would also suggest why parts of a plane were carried off by servicemen, since they might have made the identification of the aircraft by type apparent and falsified the official account. A small fighter also accommodates the report from Danielle O'Brien, an air traffic controller, who said of the aircraft that hit, "Its speed, maneuverability, the way that it turned, we all thought in the radar room—all of us experienced air traffic controllers—that it was a military plane.” cont... LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted December 18, 2005 Author #40 Share Posted December 18, 2005 three more credentialed individuals with expertise and rank that have stepped forward lately-- ************************************************************************** Glen Standish, an airline pilot for over 20 years stated, “The plane seen in various video clips of the attack could not have been UA flight 175, due to the extra equipment that appears to be attached to the bottom of the fuselage”. A mysterious “flash” is also seen in the clips that indicate possible incendiary events took place before the planes entered the towers. Nila Sagadevin, a seasoned airline pilot of over 20 years, examined photos of the engine that was found at the Trade Center site. He stated, “The engine found at the Trade Center was a CFM-56, which is not utilized on a Boeing 767”, confirming that the south tower was not hit by flight 175, but by another plane that had taken its place. Maj. Gen. Albert Stubblebine, US Army (ret.), an expert in photo analysis, reviewed the photos taken at the Pentagon before the collapse and concluded, “The plane does not fit in that hole!” indicating that the damage was inconsistent with a 757 strike. LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted April 13, 2006 Author #41 Share Posted April 13, 2006 (edited) another military col steps forward and is connecting the dots between the pnac boys and the bush admin staging 9/11-- *********************************************************************** Retired Air Force Col: They lied to us about the war and about 9/11 itself Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF (retired): ( flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President's Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country's foremost experts on National Security.) As other speakers have said, they knew the American people wouldn’t stand for it, and they said so in their documents, and they said, unless there’s that new Pearl Harbor. Well 9/11 did supply that. And we’ve been lied to not only about the war, but about 9/11 itself. The Bush administration was warned. They were warned by the Clinton Administration during the transition period, they were warned by the intelligence agencies of eleven other nations, they were specifically warned by one FBI agent that Moussawi was planning on flying a hijacked airliner, “into the World Trade Center.” They ignored the warnings, more than that, we have mounting evidence that _at least_, they made it impossible for those planes to be intercepted. If our government had merely done nothing - and I say that as an old interceptor pilot and I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were and I know what they changed them to - if our government had merely done nothing and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the twin towers would still be standing and thousands of Americans would still be alive. My sisters and brothers, that is treason! As a combat veteran, I will not stand idly by watch our security destroyed by a President who went AWOL rather than serve in Vietnam. As one who has devoted his life to the security of this country. I will not stand by and watch an appointed President send our sons and daughters around the world to kill Arabs for the oil companies. Patriotism demands that I speak out and call it by it’s name. It is treason. I joined the Air Force a long time ago to protect our borders and our people, not the financial interests of Folgers, Chiquita-Banana, Exxon and Halliburton. We’ve had enough corporate wars. No more Iraqs, no more Kosovos, no more El Salvadors, No more Columbias. These are not isolated incidents of stupidity, they’re part of a long bloody history of foreign policy being conducted for the financial interests of the wealthy few. It is a new form of colonialism, all the benefits and none of the responsibilities. It violates our Constitution, it endangers our people and it is treason. As a pilot who flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam, I swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that includes a renegade President. It’s time for George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice and the whole Oil Mafia to be removed from office and indicted for treason. We owe it to the men and women serving in Iraq to end the occupation, restore our credibility and honor and bring them home, and it could be done if we had a President who would go to the UN and say we made a horrible mistake, it was wrong and we make you three committments: 1. We give up all rights to Iraqi oil 2. We give up all rights to the rebuilding contracts- if Halliburton wants a contract from you, they have to bid on it like anybody else, and they have to hire Iraqis to do the work for a change. 3. We give up all rights to those 14 permanent military bases we’re building in Iraq at this time. And the people in the Whitehouse are not going to make those committments and so they have to go and all the puppeteers with them. You know we are the people and we are sovereign. We are the patriots and the whole world is with us. Everywhere in the country that they have a free press, all over the world people know the facts and they are with us. Not the people out there, not the deadheads, not the know-nothings, not the chickenhawks, they’re with us. Don’t let anybody intimidate you into silence, it’s time for all of us to speak truth to power. Our sons and daughters are being killed, they’re being maimed by the tens of thousands, they’re being poisoned by Depleted Uranium by the hundreds of thousands. They’re children are being born with birth defects, horrible birth defects, at an alarming rate. We’re being lied to about all that as well. Our sons and daughters in uniform are being dehumanized, emotionally damaged, psychologically destroyed, they’re being made not just to kill, but to hate. Those who return are prone to domestic violence, divorce and suicide. The lies, the killing and the destruction of our young sons and daughters must not continue. We must end it. Patriotism demands that we speak truth to power, and that we support what’s left of our troops by bringing them home now. Together we can do it. We can get the truth out there to the American People, we’re on the verge. We’ve got half the people with us, we’ve got to go after the other half. And together we can take back our country and get the liars the heck out of there. God Bless America, and God grant us regime change in Washington DC. Thank you very much. http://benfrank.net/blog/2005/09/18/treason/ Edited April 13, 2006 by Sunofone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnack Posted April 13, 2006 #42 Share Posted April 13, 2006 (edited) Damn Sunofone. This thread is awesome! I've never seen this before. I'm going to have to copy it, to reference myself. Everyone needs to read over this entire thread. Like Rosencruez said, all I can do is show you the door, you have to walk through it. Edited April 13, 2006 by scoobysnack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK ULTRA Posted April 13, 2006 #43 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Damn Sunofone. This thread is awesome! I've never seen this before. Me neither,and your right,it is Awesome!?!Wheres it been all this time? ,Hmmmm?a conspiracy? U da man Sunofone (u too scoob! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted July 19, 2006 Author #44 Share Posted July 19, 2006 its time i update this thread-- more to follow!! ***************************************************************** Alex Jones Interviews Col. Donn de Grand-Pre The Alex Jones Show This is the full MP3 audio of Alex's explosive interview with Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret.). de Grand-Pre outlines how 9/11 was carried out by order of an inside group of Neo-Cons. de Grand-Pre knows personally the pilot who shot down Flight 93. transcript mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted July 19, 2006 Author #45 Share Posted July 19, 2006 (edited) oh yeah-- WHERE ARE ALL THE SKEPTICS?? ********************************************************************** Pentagon Papers Author Daniel Ellsberg Says Government May Have Carried Out 9/11 Predicts Bush Regime Will Stage Terrorist Attack to Provide Pretext for Iran, Syria Invasion, And Justify Internment Camps for American People Infowars | July 19, 2006 By Kevin Smith & Alex Jones Daniel Ellsberg is a former American military analyst employed by the RAND Corporation who precipitated a national firestorm in 1971 when he released the Pentagon Papers, the US military's account of activities during the Vietnam War, to The New York Times. The release awakened the American people to a systematic program of organized deception carried out by the Pentagon against the population to continue the Vietnam War. Daniel Ellsberg, speaking on air to GCN radio host Jack Blood, stated his concerns that criminal elements of the US government were psychologically capable to have carried out 9/11. He warned that.... cont Edited July 19, 2006 by Sunofone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted August 22, 2006 Author #46 Share Posted August 22, 2006 (edited) man i LOVE this girl-- she is gangsta to the core-- keep up the good work! Gypsy Taub-activist and defender of truth--nemesis manifest-- watch the video of her in action and you will know why she has been added to this elite list-- Gypsy Taub hard at work Edited August 22, 2006 by Sunofone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted August 26, 2006 Author #47 Share Posted August 26, 2006 whoa a republican running for office! -- the tides are turning and the truth is prevailing -- this does turn up the heat on the neo/con-artists -- i feel the karr-benet ramsey thing is a distraction gearing up for the sept 7 shock and awe event designed to prep the masses for another re-programing -- it must be a huge issue in the area for something like this to occur ************************************************************ GOP candidate says 9/11 attacks were a hoax By ALBERT McKEON, Telegraph Staff amckeon@nashuatelegraph.com Published: Thursday, Aug. 24, 2006 A Republican candidate for this area’s congressional seat said Wednesday that the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. In an editorial board interview with The Telegraph on Wednesday, the candidate, Mary Maxwell, said the U.S. government had a role in killing nearly 3,000 people at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, so it could make Americans hate Arabs and allow the military to bomb Muslim nations such as Iraq. Maxwell, 59, seeks the 2nd District congressional seat. The Concord resident opposes the incumbent, Charles Bass of Peterborough, and Berlin Mayor Bob Danderson in the Republican primary Sept. 12. Maxwell would not specify if she holds the opinion that the government stood by while terrorists hijacked four domestic airliners and used them as weapons, or if it had a larger role by sanctioning and carrying out the attacks. But she implicated the government by saying the Sept. 11 attacks were meant “to soften us up . . . to make us more willing to have more stringent laws here, which are totally against the Bill of Rights . . . to make us particularly focus on Arabs and Muslims . . . and those strange persons who spend all their time creating little bombs,” giving Americans a reason “to hate them and fear them and, therefore, bomb them in Iraq for other reasons.” link more www.maxwellforcongress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted August 29, 2006 Author #48 Share Posted August 29, 2006 (edited) ANOTHER professor from another university has thrown his hat into the truth movement ring-- William Woodward was a guest on the alex jones show today and stated his conviction in his love for his country and the constitution it was founded on-- he boldy claims he is prepared to test his right to free speech to the point of death as his states motto proclaims-- he is the current professor of psychology at the university of new hampshire and stated that being a psychologist clued him into the extremely high levels of fear pervading his class rooms concerning 9/11 and in his determination to find its cause he urged his students to read all aspects of the 9/11 conspiracy and talk about it-- he claims it would be impossible for him to read everything on the subject and that what he is doing is the natural progression of intillect and curiosity IN A FREE COUNTRY and he is determined to get to the bottom of the truth in the events of that day through his right of free speech and plans of taking his cause to the limits even if he faces death-- he also states that his opinion is that the official story is the real conspiracy theory and that 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB The “Live Free or Die” State? LIVE FREE OR DIE! …from the Union Leader: "University of New Hampshire administrators are standing behind a tenured professor who has publicly theorized that the U.S. government orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, even as Gov. John Lynch condemned his remarks. Calling psychology professor William Woodward's theory ‘completely crazy and offensive,’ the governor said in a statement yesterday that he plans to address his concerns with the University System of New Hampshire Board of Trustees. ‘Although academic freedom is important,’ the governor said, ‘if the UNH professor is promoting that view, it reflects a reckless disregard for the true facts and raises questions as to why such a professor would be teaching at the university in the first place.’" The Union Leader itself is also calling for "an investigation". Honest to God! It’s took us longer to get the Bushling to agree to an investigation of the “true facts” surrounding September 11th, 2001, and we still have too many unanswered questions! link Edited August 29, 2006 by Sunofone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted September 9, 2006 Author #49 Share Posted September 9, 2006 (edited) where are the skeptics claiming that conspiracies are merely theories? where is the thread concerning all the scholars and their specific quotes of support and arguments against the demolition theories? **************************************************************** 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job Highlights missing Pentagon trillions as potential motive Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 7 2006 A 28-year CIA career man and a former skeptic of alternative 9/11 explanations has gone further than ever before in voicing his convictions that the attacks bore the hallmarks of an inside job and the three buildings in the WTC complex were brought down by controlled demolition. Bill Christison is a former senior official of the CIA. He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979. Since then he has written numerous articles on U.S. foreign policies. In Christison's recent article, Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11, he afforded credibility to the notion that "significant parts" of the official 9/11 story were false and after careful research he concluded that the twin towers and building 7, "were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings." Christison went further on The Alex Jones Show, agreeing that the attacks being an inside job was the "most likely possibility." "David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too," said Christison. Christison initially approached the subject unwilling to even consider that elements of the government could be engaged in such heights of criminality but his research quickly began to change his mind. "Just about half a year ago it dawned on me that not only was I trying to avoid an issue that might be extraordinarily important - more important than any other issue," said Christison. link Edited September 9, 2006 by Sunofone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted September 15, 2006 Author #50 Share Posted September 15, 2006 man hugo's on the case now-- watch out! ************************************************************* Venezuela's Chavez - US Orchestrated 911 Attacks 9-14-6 CARACAS (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez asserted on Tuesday that the United States could have orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks five years ago to justify its invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Chavez, who regularly accuses the Bush administration of planning to invade Venezuela and plotting to overthrow or assassinate him, offered no evidence to support his assertions. He claimed, however, that momentum was growing for a conspiracy theory aired on television this week by a Venezuelan journalist. "It is still not clear what the cause was, nor who directed the terrible act that claimed thousands of lives in seconds and gave the American empire an excuse to hit out with more even brutality and fury at the world," the Venezuelan president said in a speech in Caracas. "It is difficult to believe that the towers of the World Trade Center could have collapsed as they did, in the blink of an eye, because of the planes." Chavez suggested the towers could have been dynamited and noted that the wreckage of the plane that smashed into the Pentagon had not been recovered. In Washington, a US State Department spokesman said he had no comment on Chavez's remarks, which were based on a TV program on Monday in which Venezuelan journalist Carlos Sicilia aired his theories on the attacks. link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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