whistle-blowers

[Sunofone]

HUH? am i really going to do this?? i guess so even though i never thought in a hundred years that i would be adding this individual to this lis-- imo this is a diversion to buy time until the next "diversion"-- which could include the ISS on the 22nd or even worse as there was a pak journalist recently who claimed that suitcase nukes would be detonated within the us on sept,24 signaling the beggining of ramadan-- either way something has to happen before the sept 28 appeal hearing date where bush's unconstituionality is put under the microscope

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Bush Tacitly Implies WTC Controlled Demolition?

Makes strange 'explosives in U.S. buildings' reference during torture speech Friday

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 18 2006

During his speech Friday in which the President argued for the gutting of the Geneva convention and the legal classification of torture, Bush made a strange comment about explosives and their placement in U.S. buildings. Was this a tacit admission of 9/11 controlled demolition?

Here's the quote in full from the White House website.

"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out."

"That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."

Click here for the audio.

The onset of both towers' collapse began at high points in the buildings. Is Bush implying planted incendiary devices were responsible for their destruction?

link

Edited September 18, 2006 by Sunofone

[Col. Kurtz]

Shouldnt this be under 911 conspiricy topic,,i thought it was about whistle blowers like the guy that came forward about the big tobacco company or Serpico.

[Sunofone]

this is very interesting-- it definetly deserves a spot here--well tomorrow is the date set for the for the appeal on bush's unconstitutional wiretapping-- wonder what will be the distraction??

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CENTCOM Sergeant Details Traitorous Stand Down Orders On 9/11

Military whistleblower comes forward with key information

Steve Watson / Infowars | September 26 2006

Alex Jones was joined on air yesterday by a former Sergeant in the United States Army named Lauro "LJ" Chavez. Chavez was stationed at MacDill AFB where he claims he witnessed unusual preparations for a potential airplane hitting the base on the morning of 9/11 and distinctly heard officers talking about a stand down. This has led him to go public in questioning the NORAD stand down and the demolition of the twin towers.

link

[Sunofone]

when will america awaken???

is it too late? ...can the mob be suppressed?

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"War is a Racket": 9/11 Message of an Ex-Marine to the Anti-War Movement

Satyagraha: "work for truth, in pursuit of truth.”

by Sam Lwin

October 9, 2006

Veterans for 9/11 Truth

9/11, Our Satyagraha; Message to the Anti-war Movement

I am Sam Lwin, an ex-Marine, a conscientious objector and an anti-war activist from the first Gulf war. I would like to say a few words about the connection between 9/11 and war.

In the fall of 1990, President George Herbert Walker Bush mobilized troops for the first Gulf War. I was a Marine reservist and a senior at the New School. Knowing that it was an oil war and finding out the various deceptions used by our government to gain support of the masses at anti-war rallies, I, as a conscientious Marine, refused to go. So did twenty-five other Marines, eight of them from here in New York City. We were all court-martialed and did time in the brig at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina.

Many people supported us. They sent us letters and books to read and our prison sentences were shortened, in some cases by two years, due to public pressure through anti-war groups like Hands Off! and War Resisters League. During that time, one of the Marine resisters mentioned to me the name of Smedley Butler.

Smedley Butler was a Marine general who twice won the Congressional Medal of Honor. In 1933, he published a booklet called “War Is a Racket.” I would like to read a few sentences from it. "War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses."

And he continued, “I spent 33 years and 4 months in active service as a member of our country's most agile military force--the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism.”

The whole ordeal in the first Gulf war made me realize that things are not always what they seem to be. Yet, a decade later, on the morning of September 11th immediately after the towers fell, even though I intuited that the Bush administration was behind the attacks, I chose to believe the official story, because I did not dare to believe otherwise.

It wasn’t until the Bush administration started incessantly insisting that Iraq had WMDs, that I realized that something was not right. In early 2002, I began to search for answers on the Internet, never thinking that I would spend five to six hours daily for the next four years.

So now we know. We know that, just like war, 9/11 is a racket, a military false flag psy-op, a highly deceptive series of events conducted to gain the support of the population for wars in the Middle East. Let me read General Smedley Butler’s definition again:

“A racket is best described as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.”

War is a racket. 9/11 is a racket.

[Sunofone]

you know they may have legalized their totalitarian regime in their eyes but the truth is that they are violating their oath to the constitution and their office and their true intentions are not to wrest control from us physically themselves but to trick a majority of us into giving up their humanity willfully and to force the remaining minority to conform-- the real battle will lie in waking up the ignorant masses-- the struggle continues and the truth wins another battle--

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Robert Steele Concludes There is Sufficient Evidence to Indict Dick Cheney and Karl Rove of a Neo-Conservative Neo-Nazi Coup D’etat

by Steve O @ 4:41 am

Robert Steele was the second-ranking civilian (GS-14) in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988-1992. Steele is a former clandestine services case officer Central Intelligence Agency. He is the founder and CEO of OSS.Net, Inc. as well as the Golden Candle Society.

I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war (see my review of Jim Bamford’s “Pretext for War”), and I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others of a neo-conservative neo-Nazi coup d’etat and kick-off of the clash of civilizations (see my review of “Crossing the Rubicon” as well as “State of Denial”). Most fascinatingly, the author links Samuel Huntington, author of “Clash of Civilizations” with Leo Strauss, the connecting rod between Nazi fascists and the neo-cons.

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[An Urban Legend]

!!! NOT ONE DEBUNKER IN SIGHT!

[BZRK]

!!! NOT ONE DEBUNKER IN SIGHT!

Indeed not one debunker in sight.......

Cheers

BZRK

[BZRK]

Indeed not one debunker in sight.......

Cheers

BZRK

Truethat?

Aquatus?

No where to be seen, as usual.....

Rather post in sections where they can refer to there bible 911myths & popula mechanics.

Cheers

BZRK

[landscapecontractor]

LOL!!!

[landscapecontractor]

lol, these dudes are all iraqi's

[aquatus1]

Truethat?

Aquatus?

No where to be seen, as usual.....

Rather post in sections where they can refer to there bible 911myths & popula mechanics.

Cheers

BZRK

Bzrk, were you one of those kids who considered a double-dog dare reason enough to stick your tongue on to a frozen pipe? That has to be the lamest attempt at goading I have experienced in a while.

Seriously though, I've pretty much just considered this thread Sunofone's soapbox. I kind of leave it here so he can post to his heart's content to an empty room. He's got, what, 40 posts to everyone else?

Brings to mind the old Beetle's tune.

[An Urban Legend]

Seriously though, I've pretty much just considered this thread Sunofone's soapbox. I kind of leave it here so he can post to his heart's content to an empty room. He's got, what, 40 posts to everyone else?

Brings to mind the old Beetle's tune.

Interesting Aquatus, you sit here and watch him post tons information to support a 9/11 conspiracy or government terrorism and yet when you finally deside to post you dont address not one thing he's posted, but instead you let everyone on this forum know he is posting this information and your're purposely ignoring it. Sunofone has done a great job posting many whistle blowers who support that the government carried out 9/11, and none of these debunkers have yet to try and discredit anyone; that in itself is truely amazing. The only response the debunkers have given so far has been

Silence..........................

Aquatus, what you can do is let the argument begin! Id love to get at least "some" responses to this stuff. Give us something lol "those people arent credible, they are nuts, you forgot that raving loon Alex Jones" and my favorite "do you know how many people would need to be involved in this conspiracy if it were true?! Where are all the witnesses and credible people to support these paranoid nutty fact???" Well boys, here they are; and the list continues to grow, any other request?!

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Rockefeller Predicted an "Event"

Hollywood director and documentary film maker Aaron Russo, currently receiving a wave of plaudits for his latest release, America: From Freedom to Fascism, told The Alex Jones Show that Nicholas Rockefeller had personally assured him there was going to be an "event" that would trigger the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq eleven months before 9/11 took place.

Saying he had been approached many times by the Rockefellers and other members of the CFR elite in an attempt to recruit him, Russo recalled a conversation that would come home to roost on September 11, 2001.

"Here's what I do know first hand - I know that about eleven months to a year before 9/11 ever happened I was talking to my Rockefeller friend (Nicholas Rockefeller) and he said to me 'Aaron there's gonna be an event' and he never told me what the event was going to be - I'm not sure he knew what the event was going to be I don't know that he knew that," said Russo.

Russo related how Rockefeller knew precisely what the event would lead to and which countries would be militarily targeted by the elite.

"He just said there's gonna be an event and out of that event we're gonna invade Afghanistan so we can run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we can go into Iraq to take the oil and establish bases in the middle east and to make the middle east part of the new world order and we're going to go after Venezuela - that's what's going to come out of this event."

"Eleven months to a year later that's what happened....he certainly knew that something was going to happen."

"In my relationships with some of these people I can tell you that it's as evil as it really gets - this is it - this is the game," stated Russo - also relating how members of the elite were routinely obsessed by creating a world identification society where people had to carry ID cards and prove who they were at all times.

Rockefeller also told Russo that the elite families created and financed the women's lib movement so they could tax another half of the population and so that the children would be trained by them in government schools rather than in the context of the family unit.

Russo also sounded off on 9/11, openly airing his view for the first time that it was a complete inside job.

"People know that 9/11 was an inside job," said Russo, "look what they did here in America, look at 9/11, look what they did - they killed thousands of Americans - people jumping out of windows from a hundred floors up - they don't care," said the director.

"There's no way that Building 7 came down without a controlled demolition, it takes weeks to do the controlled demolition, they couldn't have done it in a few hours like Larry Silverstein said - it blows the whole game - concrete doesn't turn to powder unless its exploded."

"We all know that 9/11 was a fraud - an inside job," concluded Russo.

[Redtail]

Interesting Aquatus, you sit here and watch him post tons information to support a 9/11 conspiracy or government terrorism and yet when you finally deside to post you dont address not one thing he's posted, but instead you let everyone on this forum know he is posting this information and your're purposely ignoring it. Sunofone has done a great job posting many whistle blowers who support that the government carried out 9/11, and none of these debunkers have yet to try and discredit anyone; that in itself is truely amazing. The only response the debunkers have given so far has been

Silence..........................

Aquatus, what you can do is let the argument begin! Id love to get at least "some" responses to this stuff. Give us something lol "those people arent credible, they are nuts, you forgot that raving loon Alex Jones" and my favorite "do you know how many people would need to be involved in this conspiracy if it were true?! Where are all the witnesses and credible people to support these paranoid nutty fact???" Well boys, here they are; and the list continues to grow, any other request?!

+1

Rockefeller Predicted an "Event"

So all of these whislte blowers will be in a court showing the proof behind thier claims... when?

Edited October 29, 2006 by Redtail

[An Urban Legend]

So all of these whislte blowers will be in a court showing the proof behind thier claims... when?

Apperently you haven't bothered to read anything posted. There have been people who tried spreading this stuff the "legal" way and got no where. Just look at the Fbi whistle blower Sibbel Edmonds she has had "gag orders" to the 2th degree placed on her, preventing her from giving the actual specifics or proof of anything she said;she can state yes there is a U.S cover up about 9/11 or a conspiracy, but who exactly planned it, names, people involved, GAG ORDER **** woman or else!!

[Pauly]

This is my favorite thread, Excellent work Sunofone.

[Redtail]

Apperently you haven't bothered to read anything posted. There have been people who tried spreading this stuff the "legal" way and got no where. Just look at the Fbi whistle blower Sibbel Edmonds she has had "gag orders" to the 2th degree placed on her, preventing her from giving the actual specifics or proof of anything she said;she can state yes there is a U.S cover up about 9/11 or a conspiracy, but who exactly planned it, names, people involved, GAG ORDER **** woman or else!!

Apparently you are unable to comprehend the fact that IF she or anyone else had actual proof she or they could get around that. Real whistle blowers who have the facts to back them up can do that.

[aquatus1]

Interesting Aquatus, you sit here and watch him post tons information to support a 9/11 conspiracy or government terrorism and yet when you finally deside to post you dont address not one thing he's posted, but instead you let everyone on this forum know he is posting this information and your're purposely ignoring it.

Wow, that's sounds exactly like what I said, except in your voice!

Sunofone has done a great job posting many whistle blowers who support that the government carried out 9/11, and none of these debunkers have yet to try and discredit anyone; that in itself is truely amazing. The only response the debunkers have given so far has been

Silence..........................

Yep. It just isn't interesting enough.

Aquatus, what you can do is let the argument begin! Id love to get at least "some" responses to this stuff. Give us something lol "those people arent credible, they are nuts, you forgot that raving loon Alex Jones" and my favorite "do you know how many people would need to be involved in this conspiracy if it were true?! Where are all the witnesses and credible people to support these paranoid nutty fact???" Well boys, here they are; and the list continues to grow, any other request?!

Let the argument begin? What for? SunofOne's having fun, he's posting things you like to read, he's not hurting anyone. Let him be.

[Sunofone]

here is an update on one of the people included earlier in this thread-- sibel edmonds has put her stroy on video-- here is the trailor

[An Urban Legend]

here is an update on one of the people included earlier in this thread-- sibel edmonds has put her stroy on video-- here is the trailor

Yet the willfully ignorant sit here and say "Oh if these people had proof they would have went public or went to court by now to get it out"; WTH do you think this woman is doing??????? For debunkers its never enough....

She is only one of the many who are trying to get the truth out.

[BZRK]

Bzrk, were you one of those kids who considered a double-dog dare reason enough to stick your tongue on to a frozen pipe? That has to be the lamest attempt at goading I have experienced in a while.

Seriously though, I've pretty much just considered this thread Sunofone's soapbox. I kind of leave it here so he can post to his heart's content to an empty room. He's got, what, 40 posts to everyone else?

Brings to mind the old Beetle's tune.

***EDIT*** -Personal attack deleted

Can you please discredit the whistle-blowers is this too much to ask for? or maybe it because you can not disprove them wrong.

Its quite obvious you can not disprove them wrong because you can not look at your bible 911myths.com or Popular Mechanics and copy and paste material from there to debunk thist topic as there is nothing on these sites to debunk whistle blowers....

***EDIT*** -Personal attack deleted

Cheers

BZRK

Edited November 1, 2006 by Waspie_Dwarf

[Redtail]

Its quite obvious you can not disprove them wrong because you can not look at your bible 911myths.com or Popular Mechanics and copy and paste material from there to debunk thist topic as there is nothing on these sites to debunk whistle blowers....

You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox.

Cheers

BZRK

Where is the proof that what they say is true?

[BZRK]

Where is the proof that what they say is true?

Where is the proof what the Government says is true?

Former FBI & CIA Agents are lying about 9/11 being an inside job?

Why would hundreds of whistle-blowers be lying?

So without question you believe the Governments official explanation of events of 9/11?

The point of the matter is "many" of these people are all saying the same thing about our government, and to add to that they have a hell of a lot of credibility to deny there conclusions.

Cheers

BZRK

[Redtail]

Where is the proof what the Government says is true?

Aside from the NIST and FEMA reports, the structural engineers who back it up, the scientist who back it up, and the fact that the VAST majority of people who's job it is to study things like terrorism, airplane crasches, building collapse, etc... agree with the "government story"?

Former FBI & CIA Agents are lying about 9/11 being an inside job?

Current and former FBI &CIA agents are lying about it wasn't an inside job?

Why would hundreds of whistle-blowers be lying?

Of the top of my head, money, fame, attention, settle an old grudge. Of course they might not be lying, just mistaken.

So without question you believe the Governments official explanation of events of 9/11?

No, but when the science and math backs it up I believe that over hearsay.

The point of the matter is "many" of these people are all saying the same thing about our government, and to add to that they have a hell of a lot of credibility to deny there conclusions.

But the "many" more who say the opposite don't count?

Sorry, it just doesn't work that way because you want it to.

[An Urban Legend]

Where is the proof what the Government says is true?

They're good word, all of which they have currupted by "repeatedly" lying to us about .....hmmm almost everything?

Former FBI & CIA Agents are lying about 9/11 being an inside job?

Well you see Mr. Bzrk, its quite the contrary good friend, these "credible" former or present government officials aren't lying per say, but..........THEY'RE JUST CRAZY! Raving Loons like Alex Jones !!............

Why would hundreds of whistle-blowers be lying?

You still fail to comprehend that all of these people have severe mental problems. Even though they're taking steps to bring the "truth" to light while protecting themselves, the fact still remains theyre crazy.

So without question you believe the Governments official explanation of events of 9/11?

Yes! Yes! Yes! They are here to help us, they are our government. They wouldnt do anything against out best intrest, nor would they make political decisions which soley benefit a select few. Muhammad Atta is dead. We knew it was him who crashed the first plane through the first World Trade Center. You wanna know how? Its simple. We have proof! His paper passport was found outside the trade centers throughout all the debris on the city streets. It not unbelievable to think that the paper passport could jump out his coat, morph through the fireball, slip and slide itself through the collapse then gently loft itself on the city streets to be found. You all act as if its impossible.

The point of the matter is "many" of these people are all saying the same thing about our government, and to add to that they have a hell of a lot of credibility to deny there conclusions.

Well, so, Rumsfield is credible too, when has he ever lied to you.....?? Our president is credible to, his word is the Gospel the Ultimate Revalation!

[BZRK]

Aside from the NIST and FEMA reports, the structural engineers who back it up, the scientist who back it up, and the fact that the VAST majority of people who's job it is to study things like terrorism, airplane crasches, building collapse, etc... agree with the "government story"?

Current and former FBI &CIA agents are lying about it wasn't an inside job?

Of the top of my head, money, fame, attention, settle an old grudge. Of course they might not be lying, just mistaken.

No, but when the science and math backs it up I believe that over hearsay.

But the "many" more who say the opposite don't count?

Sorry, it just doesn't work that way because you want it to.

Aside from the NIST and FEMA reports, the structural engineers who back it up, the scientist who back it up, and the fact that the VAST majority of people who's job it is to study things like terrorism, airplane crasches, building collapse, etc... agree with the "government story"?

The investigations into WTC7 leave some disturbing questions. Why does FEMA conclude it was fire and quit probing when it admits its theory is highly unlikely? Strangely, FEMA’s non-investigation is consistent with that of the official 9/11 Commission: the collapse of WTC7 is not mentioned once in the 571-page 9/11 Commission Report.

Prior Knowledge: Tom Kennedy, A Member of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) "National Urban Search and Rescue Team"During an Interview with CBS News anchor Dan Rather Talks about How FEMA Was in Place in NY the Day Before the Attack. Link

On August 30, 2006, the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) posted on their website a list of fourteen frequently asked questions (FAQ) and answers to them. NIST's new FAQ avoids answering the central charges of its most visible critique, Building a Better Mirage:

* That NIST fails to support it's key assertion that "collapse initiation" automatically leads to "global collapse".

* That NIST uses the diversionary tactic of describing some events -- such as the airliner crashes -- in great detail, while almost completely avoiding the core question of what brought the Towers down.

* That NIST's report is internally inconsistent, supposing that steel columns were heated to temperatures hundreds of degrees in excess of the maximum temperatures indicated by its steel samples.

* That NIST fails to substantiate it's implied claim that its computer models predicted "collapse initiation".

* That NIST fails to even address most of the features of the Towers' destruction that are apparently unique to controlled demolitions.

I could go on and on.....

Once again most of the Governments explanation have come from GOVERNMENT organisations FEMA & NIST etc..... this topic is not about NIST or FEMA.... although we have debunked them over and over again....if your going to refer to your bible Popular mechanics or 911myths these have been debunked before....

Please create a different topic regards to this and we will be more than happy to debunk FEMA & NISTS and the structural engineers etc that have said the opposite of what we have.....

Current and former FBI &CIA agents are lying about it wasn't an inside job?

Maybe you havnt read the whistle blowers section properly... well have you? have you heard of the Gag order?

Of the top of my head, money, fame, attention, settle an old grudge. Of course they might not be lying, just mistaken.

This has to be one of the lamest comments ever....... Ex 28 yr old CIA agent coming forward... is doing it for fame, money or a grudge? any proof, evidence, source? please provide evidence with your claims.....

No, but when the science and math backs it up I believe that over hearsay.

But the "many" more who say the opposite don't count?

Care to post evidence of the sources that say the opposite of what this topic is about.....??

Cheers

BZRK

Edited November 1, 2006 by BZRK