whistle-blowers

[An Urban Legend]

Sunfone, dude, I LOVE YOU! lol. rofl.

DUDE IS STILL AT IT!!

[Sunofone]

the tide is turning!!

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Even the former New York City Police Chief is now acknowledging that the 9/11 attacks may have been an inside job using controlled demolition of the buildings with bombs. This FOX News pundit who had attacked 9/11 truthers in the past, has begun to doubt the official story. . . . a wall is beginning to crumble . . . rapidly.

We Are Change, interviews Former New York Police, highly decorated detective, Bo Dietl, as he begins to doubt official story of 9/11

ex ny police chief questions official story

[Sunofone]

the highwayman himself denounces the official story-- living legend says wtc imploded with explosives

[Sunofone]

good week for 9/11 truth!! DEMAND IT NOW!!! 9/11 TRUTH NOW!!!

Ventura’s 9/11 Questions Break Through Mainstream Media Dam

Aaron Dykes

Jones Report

Wednesday, April 9, 2008

Jesse ‘The Mind’ Defends Questions About Towers’ Telling Collapse on Hannity & Colmes and National Talk Radio Programs: "How can two planes bring down three buildings?"

Former Governor Jesse Ventura broke through enemy lines yesterday, exposing major inconsistencies with the official 9/11 story and holding his own against some of mainstream media’s most disingenuous hosts, including Fox News’ Sean Hannity and Opie & Anthony from XM Satellite radio.

Ventura’s notoriety as a fiercely independent upstart may have kept Hannity, for one, from playing his usual dirty tricks.

THE MIND scrutinizes 9/11

Edited April 10, 2008 by Sunofone

[Sunofone]

heres one i missed-- alright cho way to go!!

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Top Comedian Believes In 9/11 Conspiracy

Actress Cho says Americans will be angry when they realize true agenda behind attacks

Paul Joseph Watson

Prison Planet

Thursday, March 27, 2008

Top comedian and actress Margaret Cho has joined Willie Nelson and Charlie Sheen in questioning the official 9/11 story, stating that the public were going to become very angry when they realized there was a conspiracy behind the terror attacks.

Appearing on the nationally syndicated Alex Jones Show, Cho said her doubts about 9/11 were sparked by President Bush's non-reaction to the unfolding crisis.

"I got concerned right after 9/11 where the plane had hit the World Trade Center and he was in that classroom with all those children and they told him what was going on and he did nothing," said Cho.

"We were attacked for the first time on American soil and he did nothing - that's when I realized there was something very very wrong," she added.

Cho questioned the official story of what happened at the Pentagon, asking why so much footage of the twin towers being attacked was available in comparison with not even a clear picture of what occurred at the Pentagon - a far more sensitive and symbolic target.

"Why are they not focusing on that? What are they hiding?" asked Cho, "Of course it's going to be monitored from every angle at every second and yet we have no footage of it - it's very mysterious."

Cho said that there was usually a conspiracy behind every major event in American history and that when the conspiracy behind 9/11 was fully uncovered, people were going to be very angry.

link

[Sunofone]

bush and cheney are WAR CRIMINALS and 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB!!!

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14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center

14 structural engineers now publicly challenge the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11:

A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition

Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)

Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:

"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:

"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."

Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:

"WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:

"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"

Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado, points out:

"The force from the jets and the burning fuel could not have been sufficient to make the building collapse. Why doesn't the media mention that the 11th floor was completely immolated on February 13th, 1975? It had the weight of nearly 100 stories on top of it but it did not collapse?"

Haluk Akol, Structural Engineer and architect (ret.)

Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)

Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin

Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)

Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer

William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College

There are many other structural engineers who have questioned the government's account in private. We support them and wish them courage to discuss these vital issues publicly.

AWESOME BLOG

[flyingswan]

bush and cheney are WAR CRIMINALS and 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB!!!

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I've done another of my random checks on your lists, this time picking on my compatriot Graham John Inman. A google search on his name comes up with nothing beyond his membership of AE911Truth and the quote you give. Is he for real? Would a genuine structural engineer come up with the demonstrably false "This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world" when such collapses are commonplace? Would a genuine structural engineer comment on the WTC7 fires without doing any research on how widespread they were? Do AE911Truth check the qualifications of their members or just take them at face value? Have the engineers on that list actually done any research on the subject of WTC7, or did someone show them the video (without the penthouse collapse, naturally) and ask them for an off-the-cuff opinion?

PS compare Inman's "small and localised" fire with this:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/eyewitness...untsofwtc7fires

32 witnesses, mainly firemen, reporting widespread fires in WTC7.

Edited April 10, 2008 by flyingswan

[Sunofone]

I've done another of my random checks on your lists, this time picking on my compatriot Graham John Inman. A google search on his name comes up with nothing beyond his membership of AE911Truth and the quote you give. Is he for real? Would a genuine structural engineer come up with the demonstrably false "This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world" when such collapses are commonplace?

if its common place you will be able to demonstrate multiple examples--

lets just ignore the fact that the barry jennings(Deputy Director, Emergency Services Department, New York City Housing Authority) specifically testified on video to explosions that occured within bldg 7 BEFORE either tower had collapsed-- as well as the video where a huge blast is heard and firefighters instantly proclaim "seven is EXPLODING"-- bldg 7 was a FORTIFIED bunker and the videos of its collapse clearly show high explosve squibs ripping up the building in the spilt second before "melting" into its own footprint -- and in case you missed it... the phrase "melting" is sarcastic satire as obviously fire could never contribute to the implosion witnessed-- im still waiting for you to provide a physicists outline of the "alledged" errors in ret byu prof steven jones math concerning his 47 page analysis on why the collpases would have REQUIRED explosives-- why dont you coment on other whistle blowers like the 28 yr cia veteran bill christison that says 9/11 was an inside job??

where is your soul swan?

[badeskov]

I've done another of my random checks on your lists, this time picking on my compatriot Graham John Inman. A google search on his name comes up with nothing beyond his membership of AE911Truth and the quote you give. Is he for real? Would a genuine structural engineer come up with the demonstrably false "This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world" when such collapses are commonplace? Would a genuine structural engineer comment on the WTC7 fires without doing any research on how widespread they were? Do AE911Truth check the qualifications of their members or just take them at face value? Have the engineers on that list actually done any research on the subject of WTC7, or did someone show them the video (without the penthouse collapse, naturally) and ask them for an off-the-cuff opinion?

PS compare Inman's "small and localised" fire with this:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/eyewitness...untsofwtc7fires

32 witnesses, mainly firemen, reporting widespread fires in WTC7.

Swanny,

That is the problem with this list, there is no vetting of the people included whatsoever. I did a couple of random checks some time ago and 3 out of 4 allegedly credible professionals were non-existent. Obviously when pointed out this was ignored. The same when questioned why the actually existent Barry Jennings suddenly is such an authority on recognizing demolition detonations (being in the housing authority)...

This just means that this whole list as a whole is not credible and is just garbage, taking up valuable server space.

Cheers,

Badeskov

Edited April 11, 2008 by badeskov

[Enigmatic Ghost]

there are many- please add your favorite - ill start with a rather recent lawsuit concerning an infamous whistle-blower known as <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Timothy McNiven</span> -a 29yr defense department operative still under govt contract with a unique and ominous story to tell concerning his past which is the reason he filed suit-heres the story-

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The Perfect Terrorist Plan

To Level The Twin Towers

Created In 1976

By Greg Szymanski

Our own U.S. Army devised a plan commissioned by Congress to bring down the WTC using commercial airliners and box cutters as weapons.

The laundry list of terrorist warnings handed to the Bush administration prior to 9/11 makes the President and others look like "bumbling idiots or a bunch of conniving criminals" responsible for the mass murders at the Twin Towers and in Afghanistan and Iraq.

These are the harsh words of Timothy McNiven, an outspoken critic of the President's handling of 9/11 and a 29-year U.S. Defense Department operative still under contract with the government.

He says not only did the Bush administration purposely ignore Al Q'aida in the months preceding the WTC attacks, but the situation is even more disturbing, considering his military unit way back in 1976 devised a mock terrorist attack of the Twin Towers exactly like what occurred on 9/11.

McNiven, who first went public in an affidavit included in a 9/11-related federal conspiracy (RICO) lawsuit filed against Bush and others in 2004, claims his unit was ordered to create the "perfect terrorist plan" using commercial airliners as weapons and the Twin Towers as their target.

The publicized version of the study, commissioned by Congress, was to identify security lapses and submit corrective measures to lawmakers. However, McNiven claims the real purpose of the study was to brainstorm how to pull off the perfect terrorist attack using the exact same 9/11 scenario.

The study, commissioned to C-Battery 2/81st Field Artillery, U.S. Army, stationed in Strassburg, Germany in 1976, specifically devised the scenario of the Twin Towers being leveled by Middle Eastern terrorists using commercial airliners and even plastic box cutters to bypass security.

To silence critics, McNiven has successfully passed a credible lie detector test regarding his participation in the study as well as other specific orders given to him by his superiors in case of a real attack on the Twin Towers.

The head of the 1976 mock terrorist plan was Lt. Michael Teague of Long Island, who McNiven says was given specific orders by higher-ups in the military to use the Twin Towers as the terrorist target.

McNiven said he has been unable to contact Lt. Teague, but was interested in his opinion now that "the 9/11 attacks happened the way we planned them in 1976."

"I remember Lt. Teague changed the scenario of the supposed study from a 100 story building to the Twin Towers," recalled McNiven, emphasizing that Lt. Teague was acting on specific orders from unknown superiors.

"He then said he thought it was very strange to be asked to devise a plan to blow up your own home town. But as I watched the Twin Towers really collapse on the morning of September 11th, I realized I was watching the very same thing we devised in the 1976."

Since that ominous realization, McNiven has devoted his entire life to alerting the American public about the similarities between 9/11 and the 1976 study without much success, his story basically being ignored by politicians and the mainstream media.

"Why am I doing this? Why have I spent every waking hour trying to bring this story to the American people?" asked McNiven, claiming he still is following a strange direct military order given to him more than 25 years ago.

"During the course of the terrorist plan we were devising, I made the statement to Lt. Teague that if the WTC was ever attacked like we planned, I'd go public. I was then physically assaulted and told never to reveal anything we were doing regarding the Twin Towers."

However, about a week later a strange turn of events occurred. For no apparent reason, McNiven claims his superiors completely changed their minds.

"I was given the direct order that if the Twin Towers were ever attacked the way we discussed in the 1976 study, I was to do everything in my power to bring the similarities to the attention of the American people.

"I have no idea why they changed their minds, but I was then emphatically told that this order was never to be rescinded - never - because those who would rescind it, would be the very same people who turned against the American people."

Besides taking a lie detector to verify his story, McNiven has made public a detailed list of about 40 names of those individuals who took part in the mock terrorist plan, including Col. Robert Morrison, Maj. Joe Dipiero, Sgt. Middleton, Sgt. Arroyo and many others.

"There were also people from the Defense Department and the CIA who were monitoring the study, but I wasn't able to get their names," he added.

Some of McNiven's most recent assignments with the Defense Department include work on the Northwest Drug Task Force and various other drug smuggling and weapons trafficking cases.

March 9, 2005

http://www.rense.com/general63/TWIN.HTM

If he was real and telling the truth, he is by far then my faverite W.B.

All Credits for my sources here are to Phil Schneider and his gruop and YuuTube Dot Com.. Titled "The Man Who Shot Two Aliens"...

Phil Schneider the sole survior of the Dulce, New Mexico underground Firefight with his and 66 green Beret and Black Beret Spical forces, spoke out on August of 1995 before he was assonated January 17th of 1996, in his apartment five mounts after he made the appearance and video, Titled upon YouTube Dot Com under The Man who Shot Two Aliens…Phil was killed execution style most likely by the CIA according to his supporters, and his Wife...

Firefight late August of 1979 Phil was Hit with a blue beam that opened him up like a fish, burning three fingers off of his left hand, burning his right foot to a piece of charcoal, he managed to kill two of them with his 9mm Automatic pistil so they are mortal and do die…sixty six black and green beret troops lost their lives in the firefight below the ground at Dulce…

There is or rather there was a man as he is now a Cult figure tied in to Dulce as he reportedly was as he claimed an important mining engineering technician or something, the man named Phil Schneider gives a rather lengthy speech but very detailed account about the Alien Government shootout he was involved in and the sole survivor where he was the only one to escape the battle but with very serious injuries due to Alien weapons of great destructive power, where upon when the humans were hit they were killed as the weapons melted open the flesh of their body and in caused death burning and cauterizing the massive wounds, Phil Schneider came up alive although he was very badly wounded losing three fingers from one of hand hands as well as other wounds as well I have seen just the same wounds from Men working around high voltage wires and transfers that have been electrocuted by High voltages and getting screwed up, he appears as very nervous giving his public speech and that could be either from his singing out upon the event and his understandable fear and worry of a government assignation upon his Life, or due to his lying in this speech. Incidentally he was murdered as found with a piano wire wrapped around his neck, now the authorities were claiming it was a suicide that took this man’s life, however Phil Schneider was too messed up physically maimed to be able to tie his own shoes let alone double wrap and piano wire around his own neck, any ways it makes for a entertainment video if nothing else, he is either legit in his story as he is very nervous and had some huge Stones to go public with this and understandably so, or Phil was rather as a self made publicity stunt but either way the Man was Murdered in Portland, Oregon, and many are pointing to it as a Government Hit assignation.

I do not give many web link, so someone else here will need to do this here for you, but you can Google or go to YouTube and Type in Alien Shootout at Dulce, New Mexico or just Type in Phil Schneider and you will hit on it, watch the long video of his story as it is more in depth in all the details of his story as told by Phil, remember just as most all the other UMers here respect is still the best way to go, because who is to say that our own life experiences did not happen, besides that Phil is dead and should be respected upon that alone, as well as respect for his wife who also have her say as she is a supporter and back what her husband has to say, so good luck…

Pavot

Edited April 11, 2008 by Pavot

[flyingswan]

if its common place you will be able to demonstrate multiple examples--

Google for warehouse fire collapse and you'll find plenty.

lets just ignore the fact that the barry jennings(Deputy Director, Emergency Services Department, New York City Housing Authority) specifically testified on video to explosions that occured within bldg 7 BEFORE either tower had collapsed-- as well as the video where a huge blast is heard and firefighters instantly proclaim "seven is EXPLODING"-- bldg 7 was a FORTIFIED bunker and the videos of its collapse clearly show high explosve squibs ripping up the building in the spilt second before "melting" into its own footprint -- and in case you missed it... the phrase "melting" is sarcastic satire as obviously fire could never contribute to the implosion witnessed-- im still waiting for you to provide a physicists outline of the "alledged" errors in ret byu prof steven jones math concerning his 47 page analysis on why the collpases would have REQUIRED explosives-- why dont you coment on other whistle blowers like the 28 yr cia veteran bill christison that says 9/11 was an inside job??

Barry Jennings was in WTC7 when the towers collapsed, not before:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity....arry_jennings_1

As to the rest, it's all been covered at length in other threads on this forum and elsewhere. Why not ask a structural engineer how a building collapses? Here's the technical expanation:

http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/b.../Papers/405.pdf

and here's a refutation of Jones' ideas:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/commentson...othesesbydavero

where is your soul swan?

My soul, should it exist, is none of your business.

[Sunofone]

TRUTH RISING!!

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Canadian MP Libby Davies reads 9/11 petition in Parliament

9/11 Blogger.com | June 12, 2008

New Democratic Party Deputy House Leader Libby Davies delivers a Parliamentary Petition signed by over 500 Canadians demanding a new 9/11 investigation, in Canada’s House of Commons during Routine Proceedings at 1:10 pm on June 10, 2008

Here is the full text of the petition, available to sign at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/canada911truth/

PETITION TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS

IN PARLIAMENT ASSEMBLED

We, the undersigned citizens of Canada draw the attention of the House to the following:

THAT, scientific and eyewitness evidence shows that the 9/11 Commission Report is a fraudulent document and that those behind the report are consciously or unconsciously guilty of covering up what happened on 9/11/2001. This evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that World Trade Center Towers 1, 2 and 7 were brought down by demolition explosives and that the official theory of the towers collapsing from the airplanes and the ensuing fires is irrefutably false.

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We further believe that elements within the US government were complicit in the murder of thousands of people on 9/11/2001.

source with video

[Sunofone]

justice will prevail -- its going GLOBAL

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Japanese Lawmaker takes 9/11 doubts global

John Spiri / The Japan Times | June 17, 2008

In a September 2003 article for The Guardian newspaper, Michael Meacher, who served as Tony Blair’s environment minister from May 1997 to June 2003, shocked the establishment by calling the global war on terrorism "bogus." Even more controversially, he implied that the U.S. government either allowed 9/11 to happen, or played some role in the destruction wrought that day. Besides Meacher, few politicians have publicly questioned America’s official 9/11 narrative — until Diet member Yukihisa Fujita.

In January 2008 Fujita, a member of the Democratic Party of Japan, asked the Japanese Parliament and Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda to explain gaping holes in the official 9/11 story that various groups — including those who call themselves the "911 Truth Movement" — claim to have exposed.

Fujita, along with a growing number of individuals — including European and American politicians — are leading a charge to conduct a thorough, independent investigation of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001.

"Three or four years ago I saw some Internet videos like ‘Loose Change’ and ‘911 In Plane Site’ and I began to ask questions," Fujita said in an interview, "but I still couldn’t believe this was done by anyone but al-Qaida.

"Last year I watched more videos and read books written by professor David Ray Griffin (a professor emeritus of philosophy of religion and theology at Claremont Graduate University who wrote the most famous Truth Movement book, ‘The New Pearl Harbor’) about things such as the collapse of World Trade Center No. 7. This building, which was never hit by an airplane, collapsed straight down. Between the videos showing the way it fell, and the numerous reports of explosions, many are convinced that this building was demolished."

link

[flyingswan]

justice will prevail -- its going GLOBAL

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Politicians and philosophy professors - you're really bringing the structural experts in on your side now.

[Q24]

There are of course 400+ construction professionals who are calling for a new and independent investigation into the WTC building collapses. These individuals are verified and registered with the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth group.

This is in addition to the many politicians and professors who dispute the ‘official’ story.

[mrbusdriver]

This is in addition to the many politicians and professors who dispute the ‘official’ story.

Could they have another motive...perhaps political? I just see a lot of folks talking outside their areas of expertise.

[flyingswan]

There are of course 400+ construction professionals who are calling for a new and independent investigation into the WTC building collapses. These individuals are verified and registered with the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth group.

This is in addition to the many politicians and professors who dispute the ‘official’ story.

When any of your "400+" (out of a world-wide population of hundreds of thousands of such professionals) actually comes up with anything in the way of a technical argument for their opinions, rather than just spouting the inaccurate guff on conspiracists websites, I might take them more seriously.

Tell me again, how many of those "400+" are actually qualified in structural or fire engineering? I doubt if you'd get a dozen.

[badeskov]

When any of your "400+" (out of a world-wide population of hundreds of thousands of such professionals) actually comes up with anything in the way of a technical argument for their opinions, rather than just spouting the inaccurate guff on conspiracists websites, I might take them more seriously.

I have yet to see a technical argument from anybody that contradicts the NIST report. Being an architect and just saying that fire couldn't bring the buildings down doesn't cut it. There needs to be a well founded technical explanation as to why fire could not weaken the steel and why the impact damage from the aircraft was not enough to sufficiently weaken the whole structure.

Tell me again, how many of those "400+" are actually qualified in structural or fire engineering? I doubt if you'd get a dozen.

Good question.

Cheers,

Badeskov

[Q24]

Could they have another motive...perhaps political? I just see a lot of folks talking outside their areas of expertise.

Here is a pilot talking about aviation: -

“At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and could not have flown it the way the flight path was described. I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did.”

Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired commercial airline captain with 27 years experience. Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100. Retired fighter pilot. Former Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School (Topgun). 20-year Navy career. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, and Grumman F-14 Tomcat. 23,000+ total hours flown.

Here is a mechanical and fire engineer talking about structures and fire: -

“The aircraft impact and fire severity effects were magnified in the NIST reports.”

“We will find that the government investigations into building collapse [at the World Trade Center] must consider controlled demolition as far more probable since fire effects collapse could never be duplicated. ...”

Edward S. Munyak, BS ME, MS Eng. Mgmt., PE – Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer and Fire Protection Engineer

Here is a fire engineer talking about fire: -

“Spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?”

“NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question.”

James Quintiere - professor of fire protection engineering, 35 years of fire research experience, 19 years in the NIST fire program, founding member and past-Chair of the International Association for Fire Safety Science—the principal world forum for fire research.

Here is a controlled demolition expert talking about controlled demolition upon viewing WTC7: -

“This is controlled demolition. Absolutely. It’s been imploded. This was a hired job, performed by a team of experts.”

Danny Jowenko – Proprietor, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie B.V., a European demolition and construction company, with offices in the Netherlands.

Here is a physicist talking about the physical characteristics of the collapses: -

“On the basis of photographic and video evidence as well as related data and analyses, I provide thirteen reasons for rejecting the official hypothesis, according to which fire and impact damage caused the collapse of the Twin Towers [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories] and WTC 7, in favor of the controlled-demolition hypothesis.”

Steven Jones Ph.D., Physics

Here is a politician talking about intelligence agency involvement: -

“All of the democratic circles of America and of Europe [...] now know well that the disastrous [9/11] attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

Francesco Cossiga - former president of Italy who revealed details of the clandestine Operation Gladio

That is a small selection of relevant experts whom I am sure you can see are commenting on their particular area of expertise.

[merril]

Here is a mechanical and fire engineer talking about structures and fire: -

“The aircraft impact and fire severity effects were magnified in the NIST reports.”

“We will find that the government investigations into building collapse [at the World Trade Center] must consider controlled demolition as far more probable since fire effects collapse could never be duplicated. ...”

Edward S. Munyak, BS ME, MS Eng. Mgmt., PE – Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer and Fire Protection Engineer

I found this-

Edward S. Munyak, MS, PE, has over 20 years experience as a Fire Protection Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans Affairs. Subject Matter Expert to the U.S. Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities. A Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer and Fire Protection Engineer in the State of California, Mr. Munyak currently serves as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States.

At the 2007 National Fire Protection Association World Fire Safety Conference, June 4, 2007, Mr. Munyak wrote,

We will find that the government investigations into building collapse [at the World Trade Center] must consider controlled demolition as far more probable since fire effects collapse could never be duplicated. ... The concentric nearly freefall speed exhibited by each building was identical to most controlled demolitions. The aircraft impact and fire severity effects were magnified in the NIST reports. Collapse of WTC 1, 2 & 7 were not caused by fire effects. ... The official reports and conclusions had many technical distortions and obfuscations of the excellent research input in arriving at a flawed, politically driven conclusion of building performance.... (Link)

I also noticed his name on a petition against the Downing Street Memo.

"Explain the Downing Street Memo."

I am not familiar with the DSM, but assume it is must be "really bad" to get the ire of Mr. Munyak... None of us wished for the war in Iraq. It is safe to assume there were numerous inputs of questionable neutrality that went into the decision for the war. If we subtract all of those, there might have been a different outcome, but I don't know.

So, my feeling is that Mr. Munyak is not politically neutral on the WTC issue. And, he is willing to make statements that are not free from bias.

and

Here is a politician talking about intelligence agency involvement: -

All of the democratic circles of America and of Europe [...] now know well that the disastrous [9/11] attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Francesco Cossiga - former president of Italy who revealed details of the clandestine Operation Gladio

That is a small selection of relevant experts whom I am sure you can see are commenting on their particular area of expertise.

Francesco Cossiga (born July 26, 1928)

He is relevant, how?

To quote him from an interview, via wiki-

"From circles around Palazzo Chigi, nerve centre of direction of Italian intelligence, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is testified from the fact that Osama bin Laden in it 'confessed' that Al Qaeda would have been the author of the attack of the 11 September to the Twin Towers in New York, while all of the democratic circles of America and of Europe, with in the forefront those of the Italian centre-left, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan. For this, no word of solidarity arrived to Silvio Berlusconi, who has been the author of the brilliant falsification, neither from the Quirinale, nor from Palazzo Chigi, nor from representatives of the centre-left!

"Silvio Berlusconi, who has been the author of the brilliant falsification."

That's italian politics (and, we all know how honest their politics are!).

Edited June 24, 2008 by merril

[merril]

Here is a fire engineer talking about fire: -

“Spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?”

“NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question.”

James Quintiere - professor of fire protection engineering, 35 years of fire research experience, 19 years in the NIST fire program, founding member and past-Chair of the International Association for Fire Safety Science—the principal world forum for fire research.

May I further quote James Quintiere?

This is from an interview-

Although Dr. Quintiere was strongly critical of NIST’s conclusions and its investigatory process, he made it clear he was not a supporter of theories that the Twin Towers were brought down by pre-planted explosives. “If you go to World Trade Center One, nine minutes before its collapse, there was a line of smoke that puffed out. This is one of the basis of the ‘conspiracy theories’ that says the smoke puffing out all around the building is due to somebody setting off an explosive charge. Well, I think, more likely, it’s one of the floors falling down.”

Dr. Quintiere summarized the NIST conclusion about the cause of the collapses of the Twin Towers. “It says that the core columns, uninsulated due to the fact that the aircraft stripped off that insulation; they softened in the heat of the fire and shortened and that led to the collapse. They pulled in the external columns and it caused it to buckle. They went on further to say that there would be no collapse if the insulation remained in place.”

Dr. Quintiere then presented his and his students’ research that contradicts the NIST report and points to a different cause for the collapses; the application of insufficient fire-proofing insulation on the truss rods in the Twin Towers. “I suggest that there’s an equally justifiable theory and that’s the trusses fail as they are heated by the fire with the insulation intact. These are two different conclusions and the accountability for each is dramatically different,” he said.

[flyingswan]

Here is a controlled demolition expert talking about controlled demolition upon viewing WTC7: -

“This is controlled demolition. Absolutely. It’s been imploded. This was a hired job, performed by a team of experts.”

Danny Jowenko – Proprietor, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie B.V., a European demolition and construction company, with offices in the Netherlands.

And here's Jowenko saying the towers were not CDed, disageeing with many of the aspects of your elaborate theory. So which is he, the world's only honest demolition expert or a government shill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZMQAC95kI

[Sunofone]

And here's Jowenko saying the towers were not CDed, disageeing with many of the aspects of your elaborate theory. So which is he, the world's only honest demolition expert or a government shill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZMQAC95kI

rediculous propaganda!! nice dead link-

here is a good

[flyingswan]

rediculous propaganda!! nice dead link-

here is a good

This is another link to the full interview that includes him saying the towers couldn't be CD:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231

Why do you post a version of the interview with this bit edited out?

Edited August 26, 2008 by flyingswan

[Sunofone]

This is another link to the full interview that includes him saying the towers couldn't be CD:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231

Why do you post a version of the interview with this bit edited out?

hey thanks for pointing people torwards that video-- anyone that watches it will realize that he is referring to a "conventional" demolition-- he says it couldnt have been a "conventional" demolition in the manner of bldg 7 in which the bottom of the structure is where the load bearing columns were cut first -- havent you seen the image fom the twin towers where they were removing "glowing molten steel" 6wks after the collapse??!? what a joke