UK's first UFO tour set to focus on site of 'Britain's Roswell'

[UM-Bot]

UFO hunter Gary Heseltine will be hosting tours of Rendlesham Forest - the site of the UK's most famous UFO incident.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/366196/uks-first-ufo-tour-set-to-focus-on-site-of-britains-roswell

[Trelane]

Rendelsham again, eh? Looks like a desperate money grab if anything.

The whole story stinks and the corresponding lack of hysterical reports from the British counterparts at the time is very revealing. I will give Halt and the 3 amigos credit. They have made a nice living off of these stories. A long standing grift that just renews as new generations hear the outlandish tale.

[skyeagle409]

6 hours ago, Trelane said:

Rendelsham again, eh? Looks like a desperate money grab if anything.

The whole story stinks and the corresponding lack of hysterical reports from the British counterparts at the time is very revealing. I will give Halt and the 3 amigos credit. They have made a nice living off of these stories. A long standing grift that just renews as new generations hear the outlandish tale.

 

Radar operators say UFO travelled 120 miles in 8 SECONDS in Britain's famed close encounter

Two former radar operators have revealed how a UFO travelled 120 miles in less than EIGHT SECONDS during Britain's most famous close encounter. Ike Barker and Jim Carey have given their first in-depth interviews since the incident at RAF Bentwaters, in Suffolk - hailed as the world's best documented case.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/radar-operators-say-ufo-travelled-7760916

 

Edited April 26, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Trelane]

I will kindly remind casual readers that no hard corroborating documentation has been provided to back up any claims. Only a memo submitted by Halt to his superiors. Nothing at all (corroborating evidence mind you) from the British partner base directly next to Bentwaters at Woodbridge. Nothing.

I know some may still think there's sizzle to the steak here, so I'll present the very ordinary questions that have never been answered by Halt or the 3 amigos, nor any of those who doggedly believe in alien visitation.

So here we go again;

First and most glaringly, Halt was the DBC the night of the alleged incidents. I can't think of one incident where a base commander (acting, deputy or otherwise) would leave installation to go out on an armed security patrol under any circumstances. Who did he notify in the higher chain of command that he was leaving the installation to go out on this patrol? As the DBC he had a responsibility to notify someone. I'm not finding any word of communications before he allegedly departed. On that note, armed US personnel leaving the secured perimeter and venturing out into the British countryside and woods would and could be a SOFA violation. No one has called that matter into question. Who authorized their departure from a US installation? Also, due to the alleged incident proximity and location, there should have been units mobilized from Bentwaters and Woodbridge with British units taking the lead after notification from the US base. Yet, nothing. Where are the control tower logs or radar returns that would corroborate the visual sighting? Additionally, who was placed in charge (succession of command) with the DBC allegedly going outside the wire? What is his story? I can't seem to find that information and is puzzling as whoever that was should be able to definitively corroborate all claims. How about the arms room personnel and documents? If additional personnel were dispatched, there would be corresponding paperwork for those weapons and LIVE ammunition being drawn to go off base. That brings back the notifications process, who did Halt notify that he was dispatching patrols off base with LIVE ammunition? From what I can find, no one.

Another item that has repeatedly been slapped on to this story is alleged aliens messing with nuclear stockpiles. It's just assumed that the USAF did indeed store nuclear stores there at that time. The 81st TFW had lost its nuclear role when it started housing the A-10, an aircraft that at the time was a dedicated close air support type that has never had a nuclear strike capability, ever. The nuclear storage facilities existed but were a relic of when the wing did have nuclear delivery as its primary role, which was when it was equipped with the F-101 during the late 50's, early 60's. That role may have continued with the F-4, which was certainly nuclear capable, although I don't know if the 81st was qualified in that role at the time of the alleged incident. It certainly was discontinued with the A-10s arrival in the late 70's. In the event of a conventional war in Europe, the plan was to move the A-10s to Germany as several W. German bases were designated as their wartime operating locations and a small detachment of A-10s were forward based constantly. 

Despite personally talking with Royal Air Force personnel and several members of the Bentwaters Cold War Museum, with whom I have toured the weapons storage area, obviously nobody knows the exact status of the facility in December 1980. So, it's quite possible, even likely that just conventional weapons were stored there at the time. The many books and TV documentaries assume/speculate that nuclear weapons were stored there still in December 1980. But there are no definitive logs of those weapons actually being stored there. 

If anyone can provide clarification or answers to the items presented above, I would greatly appreciate it. It seems that when I discuss those items, no one wants to discuss.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Trelane

[skyeagle409]

3 minutes ago, Trelane said:

I will kindly remind casual readers that no hard corroborating documentation has been provided to back up any claims. Only a memo submitted by Halt to his superiors. Nothing at all (corroborating evidence mind you) from the British partner base directly next to Bentwaters at Woodbridge. Nothing.

I know some may still think there's sizzle to the steak here, so I'll present the very ordinary questions that have never been answered by Halt or the 3 amigos, nor any of those who doggedly believe in alien visitation.

So here we go again;

First and most glaringly, Halt was the DBC the night of the alleged incidents. I can't think of one incident where a base commander (acting, deputy or otherwise) would leave installation to go out on an armed security patrol under any circumstances. Who did he notify in the higher chain of command that he was leaving the installation to go out on this patrol? As the DBC he had a responsibility to notify someone. I'm not finding any word of communications before he allegedly departed. On that note, armed US personnel leaving the secured perimeter and venturing out into the British countryside and woods would and could be a SOFA violation. No one has called that matter into question. Who authorized their departure from a US installation? Also, due to the alleged incident proximity and location, there should have been units mobilized from Bentwaters and Woodbridge with British units taking the lead after notification from the US base. Yet, nothing. Where are the control tower logs or radar returns that would corroborate the visual sighting? Additionally, who was placed in charge (succession of command) with the DBC allegedly going outside the wire? What is his story? I can't seem to find that information and is puzzling as whoever that was should be able to definitively corroborate all claims. How about the arms room personnel and documents? If additional personnel were dispatched, there would be corresponding paperwork for those weapons and LIVE ammunition being drawn to go off base. That brings back the notifications process, who did Halt notify that he was dispatching patrols off base with LIVE ammunition? From what I can find, no one.

Another item that has repeatedly been slapped on to this story is alleged aliens messing with nuclear stockpiles. It's just assumed that the USAF did indeed store nuclear stores there at that time. The 81st TFW had lost its nuclear role when it started housing the A-10, an aircraft that at the time was a dedicated close air support type that has never had a nuclear strike capability, ever. The nuclear storage facilities existed but were a relic of when the wing did have nuclear delivery as its primary role, which was when it was equipped with the F-101 during the late 50's, early 60's. That role may have continued with the F-4, which was certainly nuclear capable, although I don't know if the 81st was qualified in that role at the time of the alleged incident. It certainly was discontinued with the A-10s arrival in the late 70's. In the event of a conventional war in Europe, the plan was to move the A-10s to Germany as several W. German bases were designated as their wartime operating locations and a small detachment of A-10s were forward based constantly. 

Despite personally talking with Royal Air Force personnel and several members of the Bentwaters Cold War Museum, with whom I have toured the weapons storage area, obviously nobody knows the exact status of the facility in December 1980. So, it's quite possible, even likely that just conventional weapons were stored there at the time. The many books and TV documentaries assume/speculate that nuclear weapons were stored there still in December 1980. But there are no definitive logs of those weapons actually being stored there. 

If anyone can provide clarification or answers to the items presented above, I would greatly appreciate it. It seems that when I discuss those items, no one wants to discuss.

 

Apparently, you are ignoring the rest of the story.

 

British UFO encounter "gave me heart failure", says US airman after military chiefs agree to pay his medical bills

 US Veterans Association pays out for medical treatment of man hit by heart problems he blames on famous Suffolk UFO encounter

 

An American airman has won a legal bid to force military health chiefs to pay for the treatment of an illness allegedly caused by a UFO encounter in Suffolk. Airman First Class John Burroughs was involved in an incident in Rendlesham Forest in December 1980 which has become known as "Britain's Roswell".He was exposed to huge doses of radiation whilst investigating a mysterious craft and claimed this left him in need of "lifesaving" heart surgery. After decades of being "stonewalled", he has finally persuaded the US Veteran's Association (VA) to pay for his treatment.

His lawyer hailed the dramatic legal about-turn as a "de facto" admission that UFOs exist and can cause "physical injury".

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/british-ufo-encounter-gave-heart-5266589

[Golden Duck]

3 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

 

Apparently, you are ignoring the rest of the story.

 

British UFO encounter "gave me heart failure", says US airman after military chiefs agree to pay his medical bills

 US Veterans Association pays out for medical treatment of man hit by heart problems he blames on famous Suffolk UFO encounter

 

An American airman has won a legal bid to force military health chiefs to pay for the treatment of an illness allegedly caused by a UFO encounter in Suffolk. Airman First Class John Burroughs was involved in an incident in Rendlesham Forest in December 1980 which has become known as "Britain's Roswell".He was exposed to huge doses of radiation whilst investigating a mysterious craft and claimed this left him in need of "lifesaving" heart surgery. After decades of being "stonewalled", he has finally persuaded the US Veteran's Association (VA) to pay for his treatment.

His lawyer hailed the dramatic legal about-turn as a "de facto" admission that UFOs exist and can cause "physical injury".

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/british-ufo-encounter-gave-heart-5266589

So did this go to court?

[Trelane]

13 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

So did this go to court?

He's sidestepping my questions. He knows he can't reasonably answer them, so he goes for the "yeah but" redirects.

Childishness, that's why he and his nonsense are on my ignore list.

[skyeagle409]

4 hours ago, Trelane said:

He's sidestepping my questions. He knows he can't reasonably answer them, so he goes for the "yeah but" redirects.

Childishness, that's why he and his nonsense are on my ignore list.

 

[Trelane]

Again, there has been nothing from anyone other than Halt or the 3 amigos as any sort of corroborating documentation. 

The Halt affidavit is worthless as it does not detail any true timeline in detail. The notification process should be in this affidavit (missing) as well as who was placed in charge while the DBC departed off base with a security detail (also missing). The POC he notified at the neighboring installation should have been a detail included (missing). There also should have been a SIR sent to his immediate commander and sent to the higher chain. That never happened. 

If they were dealing with an airborne threat, why is it that no aircraft were ever scrambled to intercept? No rotary wing assets used to scout and/or observe? At an Air Force base, no less. Nothing at all. It's absurd.

Also, there has never been a consistent corroborating account from the RAF Woodbridge base commander. That should be a needed document to corroborate halt's tall tale.

So many holes in this story its laughable. Anyone who spent any meaningful time in the military at a secured installation on foreign soil, or a forward area would see the red flags all over this old and very amusing story.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Trelane

[pellinore]

I think there may be something in this. I can imagine such a prank from special forces. They would treat it as an exercise:Historic British UFO mystery was 'prank played on US air force by SAS' (archive.ph)

[Trelane]

Just now, pellinore said:

I think there may be something in this. I can imagine such a prank from special forces. They would treat it as an exercise:Historic British UFO mystery was 'prank played on US air force by SAS' (archive.ph)

There have been stories of it being a prank and that could very well be the case. We certainly played BF pranks on the Brits on joint training events at JBLM and in Canada. 

There have also been reports that it was a misidentification of the nearby lighthouse. It was the "white cycle" holiday period when this occurred, so who knows the overall sobriety level of those involved.  

[skyeagle409]

13 hours ago, Trelane said:

Again, there has been nothing from anyone other than Halt or the 3 amigos as any sort of corroborating documentation. 

The Halt affidavit is worthless as it does not detail any true timeline in detail. The notification process should be in this affidavit (missing) as well as who was placed in charge while the DBC departed off base with a security detail (also missing). The POC he notified at the neighboring installation should have been a detail included (missing). There also should have been a SIR sent to his immediate commander and sent to the higher chain. That never happened. 

If they were dealing with an airborne threat, why is it that no aircraft were ever scrambled to intercept? No rotary wing assets used to scout and/or observe? At an Air Force base, no less. Nothing at all. It's absurd.

Also, there has never been a consistent corroborating account from the RAF Woodbridge base commander. That should be a needed document to corroborate halt's tall tale.

So many holes in this story its laughable. Anyone who spent any meaningful time in the military at a secured installation on foreign soil, or a forward area would see the red flags all over this old and very amusing story.

BREAKING NEWS!!!

The Rendlesham UFOs were not a lighthouse. 

[skyeagle409]

12 hours ago, Trelane said:

There have been stories of it being a prank and that could very well be the case. We certainly played BF pranks on the Brits on joint training events at JBLM and in Canada. 

There have also been reports that it was a misidentification of the nearby lighthouse. It was the "white cycle" holiday period when this occurred, so who knows the overall sobriety level of those involved.  

 

You might want to do further checking about what you say, was a prank.