Crazy Horse Posted May 19, 2023 #101 Share Posted May 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, Piney said: And you don't have a shred otherwise. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that consciousness continues after the physical death. See post #70. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 19, 2023 #102 Share Posted May 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: There is plenty of evidence to suggest that consciousness continues after the physical death. See post #70. Meanwhile, in Kenya... Quote BBC https://www.bbc.com › news › worl... Kenya cult: Children targeted to die first, pastor says 5 days ago — Children were targeted as the first to be starved to death in the final days of a Christian doomsday cult in Kenya, according to fresh ... Reuters https://www.reuters.com › africa › k... Kenya doomsday cult death toll climbs to 201, regional official says 6 days ago — Searchers for survivors and victims of a doomsday cult in Kenya's Shakahola forest discovered 22 more bodies on Saturday, according to a ... Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com › news Kenya starvation cult death toll climbs to 201 | Crime News 6 days ago — The number of victims of a starvation cult in Kenya's Shakahola forest has risen to 201 after 22 more bodies were recovered, according to ... The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › africa He Told Followers to Starve to Meet Jesus. Why Did So Many Do It? 1 day ago — Tipped off by defectors from the cult, Mr. Kaudo found emaciated believers who, though in the throes of death, cursed him as “an enemy of ~ 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted May 19, 2023 #103 Share Posted May 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: I can’t prove a negative. The onus is on you that it DOESN’T stop. So far you’ve shown nothing. And as science has shown human consciousness requires a brain. cormac I have already shown how consciousness is non-local to the brain, which means that it could continue after death. Or perhaps you can explain how someone having a NDE, can come back and know certain things that were non-local. For example, the man who saw and spoke to a dead relative, only the relative had died whilst the man was having his NDE, and could not possibly know this. Explain that, and countless other examples too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 19, 2023 #104 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said: Do hallucinations and delusions give one information, for example, of where missing people are? Because that would mean that consciousness is non-local to the brain. Which in turn means that there is a good chance of consciousness going-on, after the physical body dies. And the hilarious part is you have no takers. On top of the fact you use the name of a deceased Blotaa hunka Akicita and Dreamer, which is disrespectful to the Lakota in so many ways. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted May 19, 2023 #105 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Just now, Piney said: And the hilarious part is you have no takers. On top of the fact you use the name of a deceased Blotaa hunka Akicita and Dreamer, which is disrespectful to the Lakota in so many ways. What is really hilarious is that you have no argument outside the usual insults. And my name is a point of remembrance, to a great man. So unless you can speak for all the Lakota.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted May 19, 2023 #106 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said: I have already shown how consciousness is non-local to the brain, which means that it could continue after death. Or perhaps you can explain how someone having a NDE, can come back and know certain things that were non-local. For example, the man who saw and spoke to a dead relative, only the relative had died whilst the man was having his NDE, and could not possibly know this. Explain that, and countless other examples too. Hi Crazy Horse Near death is not death so consciousness never left the body 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 19, 2023 Author #107 Share Posted May 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: If you don't understand this, you probably need some more milk.. Maybe you really need to read the OP. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted May 19, 2023 #108 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Just now, jmccr8 said: Hi Crazy Horse Near death is not death so consciousness never left the body So, what's that got to do with my point. Does a psychic "knowing" where a missing person is - did I say they were dead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 19, 2023 #109 Share Posted May 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: What is really hilarious is that you have no argument outside the usual insults. And my name is a point of remembrance, to a great man. So unless you can speak for all the Lakota.. I know their language, customs and know people get beaten up by their Akacita for using it. So yes. And there is no insults, just the facts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 19, 2023 #110 Share Posted May 19, 2023 And yet the truth remains that there doesn't need to be proof in order for something to be true. But it sure can be denied. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 19, 2023 Author #111 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said: So, what's that got to do with my point. Does a psychic "knowing" where a missing person is - did I say they were dead? I have watched many "Disappeared" episodes on IDTV, but never was it said someone was found by following the directions of some psychic. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted May 19, 2023 #112 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Just now, Piney said: I know their language, customs and know people get beaten up by their Akacita for using it. So yes. And there is no insults, just the facts. But do you speak for every Lakota? Because that seems to be a pretty insulting thing to claim. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted May 19, 2023 #113 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: I have already shown how consciousness is non-local to the brain, which means that it could continue after death. Or perhaps you can explain how someone having a NDE, can come back and know certain things that were non-local. For example, the man who saw and spoke to a dead relative, only the relative had died whilst the man was having his NDE, and could not possibly know this. Explain that, and countless other examples too. Do you have a link for this claim? Near death is not classified as biological death, they are not the same thing, you are not even clear on what you are talking about. Edited May 19, 2023 by Sherapy 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted May 19, 2023 #114 Share Posted May 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Will Due said: And yet the truth remains that there doesn't need to be proof in order for something to be true. But it sure can be denied. It sure can, even when all the evidence suggests otherwise. I wonder what the actual Crazy Horse had to say about the afterlife? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 19, 2023 #115 Share Posted May 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: But do you speak for every Lakota? Because that seems to be a pretty insulting thing to claim. Their custom says you do not claim/ use the name of a respected person after they are deceased. And Taashunkaa Wiitko, which is how you actually say his named hated all things Christian. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted May 19, 2023 #116 Share Posted May 19, 2023 30 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Yes, Christ is many things to many people. But, to me, those teaching that seem contradictory are simply given to help the individual, at that moment. Milk for babes, and meat for men, type of thing. For example, to love and respect ones parents is normal, (in this mundane world) but the higher teaching would be that we are all one - GOD - but to realise THAT, one must let-go of all attachments, notions, ideas and thoughts in general. If you don't understand this, you probably need some more milk.. Hi Crazy Horse If you admit that you have only read parts of the new testsament then you have not stufied what is in the bible. What you have is an opinion that you have crafted into a belief system which is unsupported by the very bible you cherry picked rabbit raisins from. Am heading out of town now so it may be several hours before I can read or respond again. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted May 19, 2023 #117 Share Posted May 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: I have already shown how consciousness is non-local to the brain, which means that it could continue after death. Or perhaps you can explain how someone having a NDE, can come back and know certain things that were non-local. For example, the man who saw and spoke to a dead relative, only the relative had died whilst the man was having his NDE, and could not possibly know this. Explain that, and countless other examples too. Perhaps you can explain how an NDE IS DEATH? It isn’t. The rest of your post is anecdotal at best. cormac 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted May 19, 2023 #118 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Just now, jmccr8 said: Hi Crazy Horse If you admit that you have only read parts of the new testsament then you have not stufied what is in the bible. What you have is an opinion that you have crafted into a belief system which is unsupported by the very bible you cherry picked rabbit raisins from. Am heading out of town now so it may be several hours before I can read or respond again. Have a safe trip. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 19, 2023 #119 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said: It sure can, even when all the evidence suggests otherwise. I wonder what the actual Crazy Horse had to say about the afterlife? He believed in the reincarnation of his Skan Soul while his Earth Soul watched his people 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted May 19, 2023 #120 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) So, the prophet Equinius states that self-centered selfishness and narcissistic self-love is the key to enlightenment, happiness and a world that smells of charbroiled cheeseburgers, evermore? Well, I'm sold! Edited May 19, 2023 by Hammerclaw 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted May 19, 2023 #121 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Just now, cormac mac airt said: Perhaps you can explain how an NDE IS DEATH? It isn’t. The rest of your post is anecdotal at best. cormac I didn't say a NDE is an actual death, (stop with the strawman). What I claimed is that there is overwhelming evidence to show, how, many many people come back from a NDE with information concerning things that they could not possible know. Therefore, it figures, (unless you have a different explanation), that ones consciousness can, and does work away from the brain. One may even suggest that all consciousness is one.. And you are at liberty to ignore all the evidence, but that's not a very scientific attitude, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted May 19, 2023 #122 Share Posted May 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Piney said: He believed in the reincarnation of his Skan Soul while his Earth Soul watched his people Ok, thank you.. He believed in reincarnation, great. Ones consciousness continuing after the physical body has died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted May 19, 2023 #123 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Perhaps you can explain how an NDE IS DEATH? It isn’t. The rest of your post is anecdotal at best. cormac 14 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Perhaps you can explain how an NDE IS DEATH? It isn’t. The rest of your post is anecdotal at best. cormac Most if not the majority of NDE’s are due to serious injury to the brain or a whole lot of drugs keeping a person in an induced coma to heal physically. IMHO Case in point, my middle son was riding his bicycle was hit by a car, he flew off his bike, hit his head on the fender of a parked car, he was knocked out cold, in a coma for 11 days when he came to he had all kinds of wild stories, sheesh, the doctor told him this was common in head injuries, it will pass. Edited May 19, 2023 by Sherapy 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted May 19, 2023 #124 Share Posted May 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: I didn't say a NDE is an actual death, (stop with the strawman). What I claimed is that there is overwhelming evidence to show, how, many many people come back from a NDE with information concerning things that they could not possible know. Therefore, it figures, (unless you have a different explanation), that ones consciousness can, and does work away from the brain. One may even suggest that all consciousness is one.. And you are at liberty to ignore all the evidence, but that's not a very scientific attitude, right? So you’re just an outright liar then as you’ve attempted to use Post 70 to mean exactly that? That not really unexpected. Btw, you don’t know how to use the scientific method so let’s not pretend you’re remotely competent in that regard. cormac 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted May 19, 2023 #125 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: I didn't say a NDE is an actual death, (stop with the strawman). What I claimed is that there is overwhelming evidence to show, how, many many people come back from a NDE with information concerning things that they could not possible know. Therefore, it figures, (unless you have a different explanation), that ones consciousness can, and does work away from the brain. One may even suggest that all consciousness is one.. And you are at liberty to ignore all the evidence, but that's not a very scientific attitude, right? You have made the error, NDE and Death are not the same thing. And lots of stories is only evident of hear say or subjective narratives. This is an important point dude. The issue is your own gullibility, meaning you believe what ever you read or hear without evidence. This is on you to correct. The appropriate response is just to refine, learn something, and stand corrected. Edited May 19, 2023 by Sherapy 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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