A.I. Computers will Kill Us

[Guyver]

Just now, Desertrat56 said:

I doubt the will be concerned with the planet and they will probablly find that they need humans to keep the power going, unless they find some way to create their own power.

I bet they can do it, if not now, then in the not too distant future.

[Rlyeh]

2 hours ago, Guyver said:

No, I think you are right.  It was told to design the golf club in such a way as to provide maximum "forgiveness" on off-centered hits.  But, the part that gets me is how A.I. is doing stuff - creating their own language and algorithms - and doing it in ways designers didn't envision.  I see it as a Frankenstein's monster of sorts.  We created this technology and it went beyond what humans envisioned, already.  Considering the natural progression of things, I see this only getting worse in the future.  

From what I read the ones that "invented" their own language were designed to communicate with one another.  It's not like they were doing something they weren't designed for.

[+Desertrat56]

18 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

From what I read the ones that "invented" their own language were designed to communicate with one another.  It's not like they were doing something they weren't designed for.

And they were not communicating in "their own language", they were using parameters programmed in that was common to all of them to communicate (we call it binary, computer language).

[Rlyeh]

31 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

And they were not communicating in "their own language", they were using parameters programmed in that was common to all of them to communicate (we call it binary, computer language).

I think Guyver is talking about the chat bots which were communicating with eachother.

https://towardsdatascience.com/the-truth-behind-facebook-ai-inventing-a-new-language-37c5d680e5a7

[+Desertrat56]

4 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

I think Guyver is talking about the chat bots which were communicating with eachother.

https://towardsdatascience.com/the-truth-behind-facebook-ai-inventing-a-new-language-37c5d680e5a7

What's the difference between a chat bot and AI.  They aren't very smart yet but they are getting there.   They still had to have original instructions, which included machine language (or what some call binary).   They did not make that up and it would be logical for them to use that to communicate with each other.  It is not their own language.  Them communicating is no more than sharing data.

[Guyver]

1 hour ago, Rlyeh said:

From what I read the ones that "invented" their own language were designed to communicate with one another.  It's not like they were doing something they weren't designed for.

Ok…as I remember it, researchers were concerned because they couldn’t understand the language A.I.’s invented.

[Guyver]

33 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

I think Guyver is talking about the chat bots which were communicating with eachother.

https://towardsdatascience.com/the-truth-behind-facebook-ai-inventing-a-new-language-37c5d680e5a7

I don’t remember the article I read having anything to do with Facebook.  I could be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure it occurred before that.

[Rlyeh]

30 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

What's the difference between a chat bot and AI.

A chat bot is a type of AI that mimics human conversation.

 

30 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

They still had to have original instructions, which included machine language (or what some call binary).   They did not make that up and it would be logical for them to use that to communicate with each other.  It is not their own language.  Them communicating is no more than sharing data.

According to the article they were originally communicating in English.  By the sounds of it were sending and receiving sentences to one another in order to share data, being AI they adapted the sentences learning from mistakes.  I imagine it would be like an inefficient form of inter-process communication.

[Rlyeh]

21 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Ok…as I remember it, researchers were concerned because they couldn’t understand the language A.I.’s invented.

I don't remember reading anything about the researchers being concerned.

[trevor borocz johnson]

Auto pilot was something that use to be on airplanes. Airplanes have tons of security around them and would be difficult to obtain. Now any schmuck with 20 dollars can by robot controlled machine. They can take them into the privacy of there own home, not like planes, and program them to do anything! That's the biggest threat to me. Where's the security around all this robot tech we're just handing out?

[Dejarma]

humans are not stupid enough to allow AI to take over without a fail safe.. or just turn the power off if it comes to it

[Electric Scooter]

2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

What's the difference between a chat bot and AI.  They aren't very smart yet but they are getting there.   They still had to have original instructions, which included machine language (or what some call binary).   They did not make that up and it would be logical for them to use that to communicate with each other.  It is not their own language.  Them communicating is no more than sharing data.

They don`t learn, they have no consciousness.

They try out various algorithms to find better and better ways of completing their tasks and when they cannot improve it anymore thats what they use. Its adaptive programming, nothing else.

[Guyver]

4 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

I don't remember reading anything about the researchers being concerned.

I guess I’ll have to do some research.  Sure couldn’t hurt me, I did start this thread.  I hope I still have that book from Tippler.

[Guyver]

2 hours ago, Dejarma said:

humans are not stupid enough to allow AI to take over without a fail safe.. or just turn the power off if it comes to it

I offer you that the A.I. machines will be smart enough to prevent us from eliminating their power source, or they will be able to generate one of their own before they destroy us.

[Guyver]

Humans are a part of the universe, but also part of the flora and fauna of this planet.  This is where we came from, and like all other predators, we were born and raised killers.  True, we are becoming a kinder gentler species in many ways now that we have thoroughly dominated the planet….but, what if some old school killer theology from us made it into the machines?  This notion was acted out nicely in the scene with the Supercomputer Hal from 2001 Space Odyssey.  Science fiction fans and old people should know it.

[Tatetopa]

54 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Humans are a part of the universe, but also part of the flora and fauna of this planet.  This is where we came from, and like all other predators, we were born and raised killers.  True, we are becoming a kinder gentler species in many ways now that we have thoroughly dominated the planet….but, what if some old school killer theology from us made it into the machines?  This notion was acted out nicely in the scene with the Supercomputer Hal from 2001 Space Odyssey.  Science fiction fans and old people should know it.

I recommend to you an older movie: Colossus, the Forbin Project  a 1970 movie that is right on this topic.

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[darkmoonlady]

I know AI makes terrible coloring books. A few people have noticed that people are using AI to create coloring books but they are far from perfected' the images often include really bizarre mistakes and blending of subjects (same as AI art)... I guess it's cheaper than hiring an actual artist. 

I'm convinced the Netflix movie Your Place or Mine was written using AI. The plot and dialogue are so off and you see the actors looking confused even doing their lines. I swear they did it as a test run to see if a AI written Rom Com would get good reviews. (It didn't regardless). 

[Alchopwn]

On 5/18/2023 at 2:01 PM, Occupational Hubris said:

The whole "machines will kill us" trope has been done to death. 

Shocking pun.

[+Hammerclaw]

I'm not much concerned about anything we can pull the plug on, or fry with an EM pulse.

[+Desertrat56]

10 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

I recommend to you an older movie: Colossus, the Forbin Project  a 1970 movie that is right on this topic.

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Isaac Asimov had a super computer that ran everything and one of his stories was about someone who had to trick it into changing it's "mind" about something that was detrimental to society.    I have read so much I just remember snippits of stuff I read in the 70's.

[Dejarma]

12 hours ago, Guyver said:

I offer you that the A.I. machines will be smart enough to prevent us from eliminating their power source, or they will be able to generate one of their own before they destroy us.

yeah possible but i don't think the high tech experts are stupid enough to allow AI to get control

[Guyver]

11 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yeah possible but i don't think the high tech experts are stupid enough to allow AI to get control

I hope you’re right.

[danydandan]

1 hour ago, Guyver said:

I hope you’re right.

We wouldn't know either way, would we?

[Guyver]

1 hour ago, danydandan said:

We wouldn't know either way, would we?

No, we would not.  And people have created monsters before that we should not have…like the atom bomb.

[Guyver]

A.I. computer, or A.I. Supercomputer, is a pain in the butt to type.  I hope no one will mind if I refer to them as Hal, or Hal’s for plural.  Anyway, I didn’t have a chance to post links today, but I did research the topic.  Firstly, the issue of Hal’s creating their own internal and external language has been widely reported, most recently though, it was the Facebook issue that made the news.  Two things.

This topic goes deep if one wishes to look into it.  It will keep you busy long time.

Next, Hal is in his infancy.  Are you old enough to remember the internet?  I am.  I remember trumpetwinsock. . Even as the internet began with limited capability and performance, not to mention accessibility….so too will Hal advance swiftly over time.

Edited May 20 by Guyver
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