A.I. Computers will Kill Us

[Guyver]

The technology already exists to make Hal mobile in some form.  In the not too distant future Hal could have an android body in the shape of a human.  

[Guyver]

I’d like to speak to advancement in technology.  I lived most of my life with my Grandmother alive. She knew everything.  My mom, not so much, she had issues, but that’s another story.  My Grandmother came from a family of thirteen children.  My Greatgrandmother, who lived until I was in my twenties, came across the United States on the Oregon Trail from a farm in St. Joseph, Missouri.  They fought Native Americans along the way.  When my grandmother was little, her dad would go out early in the morning and kill a chicken, by chopping off its head.  Then, the ladies would prepare that bird, and that plus the chickens eggs, is what they had for breakfast.

She lived long enough to know what the internet is.

[+and-then]

On 5/18/2023 at 2:36 PM, Rlyeh said:

It's not like they were doing something they weren't designed for.

Fair enough.  And what of AI being tasked to intentionally disrupt, impede, or actually destroy society in quest of governmental control?  A kind of "revolution in reverse?   

This philosopher is the source of Klaus Schwab's great reset.  He is also a favorite of Obama.  He's an atheist, brilliant, and IMO, evil.  Still, he has a fascinating explanation of what, how and why extreme care needs to be employed with AI.  His name is Yuval Noah Harari:

 

[+and-then]

I'm somewhat encouraged that even he believes that AI can be the end of human history and culture.  You have to listen to the rationale to understand what this means and how it would come about.  I found it to be very unsettling but also, absolutely fascinating.  The threat it poses is not what most of us assume it would be.  Fascinating...

[Dejarma]

Those who invented/ created AI know more about it than the likes of us just sitting here at our screens drinking beer or whatever pondering over all these possibilities! 
These people are highly intelligent individuals who've studied & spent thousands of hours doing so.

Do you honestly believe these individuals have missed the possibility of A.I. taking over, REALLY? 

A.I. In_My_Opinion will NOT take over=== Show these highly intelligent dedicated folk some respect, Please 

[+and-then]

7 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

A.I. In_My_Opinion will NOT take over

You should REALLY listen to that YT video by Harari.  The threat is TOTALLY different from what we've been discussing.

[Dejarma]

2 minutes ago, and-then said:

You should REALLY listen to that YT video by Harari.  The threat is TOTALLY different from what we've been discussing.

oh should I? i did watch & disagree

[Guyver]

31 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

Those who invented/ created AI know more about it than the likes of us just sitting here at our screens drinking beer or whatever pondering over all these possibilities! 
These people are highly intelligent individuals who've studied & spent thousands of hours doing so.

Do you honestly believe these individuals have missed the possibility of A.I. taking over, REALLY? 

A.I. In_My_Opinion will NOT take over=== Show these highly intelligent dedicated folk some respect, Please 

No, you’re right.  That’s why I’m so concerned about the very creators of the machines becoming upset by their behavior and shutting them down.

[Rlyeh]

10 hours ago, and-then said:

Fair enough.  And what of AI being tasked to intentionally disrupt, impede, or actually destroy society in quest of governmental control?  A kind of "revolution in reverse?

Doing that just fine without AI.

 

10 hours ago, and-then said:

This philosopher is the source of Klaus Schwab's great reset.  He is also a favorite of Obama.  He's an atheist, brilliant, and IMO, evil.  Still, he has a fascinating explanation of what, how and why extreme care needs to be employed with AI.  His name is Yuval Noah Harari:

Teach AI to preach Bible verses then.

[jmccr8]

Gee given that people will promote anything and everything is going to kill me even french fries I guess AI will have to take a number and get in line to wait their turn.

[+and-then]

16 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

Doing that just fine without AI.

 

Teach AI to preach Bible verses then.

I wouldn't want to put you out of a job, Rlyeh  

[+and-then]

On 5/20/2023 at 9:29 PM, Dejarma said:

Do you honestly believe these individuals have missed the possibility of A.I. taking over, REALLY? 

There is a growing contingent of the pioneers of AI who are ringing alarm bells.  Fact.

[Piney]

On 5/20/2023 at 10:03 PM, and-then said:

Fair enough.  And what of AI being tasked to intentionally disrupt, impede, or actually destroy society in quest of governmental control?  A kind of "revolution in reverse?   

This philosopher is the source of Klaus Schwab's great reset.  He is also a favorite of Obama.  He's an atheist, brilliant, and IMO, evil.  Still, he has a fascinating explanation of what, how and why extreme care needs to be employed with AI.  His name is Yuval Noah Harari:

 

A historian who knows very little about science, twists and sensationalizes it. 

[+Desertrat56]

16 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Gee given that people will promote anything and everything is going to kill me even french fries I guess AI will have to take a number and get in line to wait their turn.

French fries will kill you if you eat them everyday!   A slow painful death, but they will.  

Edited May 22 by Desertrat56

[Tatetopa]

So lets assume they will not take over.  Lets assume we will delegate to them all of the routine and unpleasant jobs and by virtue of their capabilities also push ahead in all the fields of science.  They will produce further wonders and marvels that we can only imagine today. Meanwhile we will be able to enjoy a life of safety and freedom from want and fulfillment of desires.  We will come to depend on them for all of the difficult unpleasant stuff. 

We could live a life like aristocrats and nobles of old, or like pampered pets in a safe petting zoo without having  to exercise mind or body. Would that be better?

[Grey Area]

This fear of AI is totally misplaced.  Partly due to pop culture.  Almost Everyone on the planet knows the cautionary tale known as The Terminator.

We speak about AI, as if it is a sentient entity.  This is a simple case of anthropomorphism, applying human self aware traits to something that is neither human, self aware, or capable of doing anything independent of a human controller.

The current concerns many of the very wealthy individuals have at present have very little to do with AI suddenly waking up and destroying us.  Rather, the impacts of very focused, efficient computer algorithms being freely available, and the social, and probably most importantly (to the super wealthy) the economic implications AI could have.

AI is a long way from being anything other than a tool.  We are entering a new chapter in our development as a species for sure, but it is simply a tool, it is the printing press of the digital era.

 

[Guyver]

33 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

This fear of AI is totally misplaced.  Partly due to pop culture.  Almost Everyone on the planet knows the cautionary tale known as The Terminator.

We speak about AI, as if it is a sentient entity.  This is a simple case of anthropomorphism, applying human self aware traits to something that is neither human, self aware, or capable of doing anything independent of a human controller.

The current concerns many of the very wealthy individuals have at present have very little to do with AI suddenly waking up and destroying us.  Rather, the impacts of very focused, efficient computer algorithms being freely available, and the social, and probably most importantly (to the super wealthy) the economic implications AI could have.

AI is a long way from being anything other than a tool.  We are entering a new chapter in our development as a species for sure, but it is simply a tool, it is the printing press of the digital era.

 

I think regular computers and printers are the printing press of the modern era. A.I. is something much different that could develop into something deadly.  But, whatever, that’s just my perspective and my prediction.

[Guyver]

45 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

This fear of AI is totally misplaced.  Partly due to pop culture.  Almost Everyone on the planet knows the cautionary tale known as The Terminator.

We speak about AI, as if it is a sentient entity.  This is a simple case of anthropomorphism, applying human self aware traits to something that is neither human, self aware, or capable of doing anything independent of a human controller.

 

A.I. Computers (Hal) are not sentient and may not ever be according to our primary definition of the word since they don’t have feelings.  But perhaps that definition should be expanded, or use another descriptor such as “self aware.”  When something is self-aware, then it stands to my reason that it has instinct for survival.  
 

You’re right about Sci-Fi like the Terminator, yet, everything written about Hal before was just that…science fiction.  Hal is now science fact.  Anyone remember Moore’s law?  It applies to Hal, and it shows an extreme likelihood that Hal will be advancing in capabilities exponentially in the next few years.  

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, Grey Area said:

We speak about AI, as if it is a sentient entity.  This is a simple case of anthropomorphism, applying human self aware traits to something that is neither human, self aware, or capable of doing anything independent of a human controller.

That is the point really.  AI does not need to be sentient at all, just a capable tool.  Like the saying goes, AI doesn't kill people, people kill people.   Humans have 50,000 years of justification for distrusting the motives of other humans.

[+and-then]

15 hours ago, Piney said:

A historian who knows very little about science, twists and sensationalizes it. 

How about Elon Musk and Jeffery Hinton?  Did they not have a place as pioneers in the tech?  They seem to be saying the same thing though stressing its social effects as the primary dangers.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/he-knows-what-hes-talking-about-elon-musk-on-ai-godfather-and-his-warning-4000349

I claim not even a basic knowledge of this field but when the pioneers begin agreeing that the risk/benefit ratio is dangerously tilted, I listen to them.

[Piney]

5 hours ago, and-then said:

How about Elon Musk and Jeffery Hinton?  Did they not have a place as pioneers in the tech?  They seem to be saying the same thing though stressing its social effects as the primary dangers.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/he-knows-what-hes-talking-about-elon-musk-on-ai-godfather-and-his-warning-4000349

I claim not even a basic knowledge of this field but when the pioneers begin agreeing that the risk/benefit ratio is dangerously tilted, I listen to them.

Elon is more screwball than scientist but I have to read what Hinton says.

[Tatetopa]

5 hours ago, and-then said:

How about Elon Musk and Jeffery Hinton?  Did they not have a place as pioneers in the tech?  They seem to be saying the same thing though stressing its social effects as the primary dangers.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/he-knows-what-hes-talking-about-elon-musk-on-ai-godfather-and-his-warning-4000349

I claim not even a basic knowledge of this field but when the pioneers begin agreeing that the risk/benefit ratio is dangerously tilted, I listen to them.

I think it will come down to human money and power. Corporations owe their loyalty to their shareholders, not to society at large.  If the company you work for, or the one I work for finds that AI is cheaper and hence more profitable than we are, they will replace us.  They will not worry about whether we can find jobs or the loss of our tax revenue.

Will we be divided between robot  / AI owners, the elite; and those replaced by robots / AI; the poor?   It will be corporations not government that will  replace us on our jobs.  

 

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Tatetopa said:

I think it will come down to human money and power. Corporations owe their loyalty to their shareholders, not to society at large.  If the company you work for, or the one I work for finds that AI is cheaper and hence more profitable than we are, they will replace us.  They will not worry about whether we can find jobs or the loss of our tax revenue.

Will we be divided between robot  / AI owners, the elite; and those replaced by robots / AI; the poor?   It will be corporations not government that will  replace us on our jobs.  

 

The ChatGPT is a joke when it comes to history, language and archaeology.

It just uses "mass comparison" and "lego linguistics" coming up with less intelligent answers than your worse fringe armchair researcher.

It wouldn't work at all with botany, considering how extensive convergent evolution is in the plant family. 

[Tatetopa]

9 hours ago, Piney said:

It just uses "mass comparison" and "lego linguistics" coming up with less intelligent answers than your worse fringe armchair researcher.

Another direction?  Will AI lead the Internet down into further stupidity?

[Grey Area]

18 hours ago, Guyver said:

I think regular computers and printers are the printing press of the modern era. A.I. is something much different that could develop into something deadly.  But, whatever, that’s just my perspective and my prediction.

Well the printing press is just an analogy for a defining moment in history.  There’s room for more than one printing press moment.

AI could indeed be deadly, but it’s still merely a tool for a person to use.  Is a madman with an AI any more dangerous than a madman with an army?