A.I. Computers will Kill Us

[trevor borocz johnson]

Can you imagine if an AI that is convincingly human came up to you and asked you for your coat? what's your problem robot man? such gold would make a great novel beginning I think. 

Edited May 24, 2023 by trevor borocz johnson

[Guyver]

On 5/23/2023 at 10:17 AM, Grey Area said:

Well the printing press is just an analogy for a defining moment in history.  There’s room for more than one printing press moment.

AI could indeed be deadly, but it’s still merely a tool for a person to use.  Is a madman with an AI any more dangerous than a madman with an army?

Well said.  At this time a madman with an army is more dangerous than an A.I. Computer.  But, I’d pay 25 bucks to hear Hal give an answer to the question…..

What should be done about a madman who has an army and wants to kill people?

Edited May 25, 2023 by Guyver
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[Guyver]

Ok….I’d pay fifty bucks to hear Hal give an answer to the question about what to do with a madman who has an army and wants to kill people.  I mean, Hal right now.  The ones we currently have running.  And guess what?  I bet it’s been done.  Sure would like to know the answer, but for that one may have to just be “in the know” to find out.  
 

What do think about the idea of asking our current A.I. technology what to do about a known madman with an army who wants to kill people?

[Guyver]

Speak up.  Don’t be shy.  It’s a great question.  But, if I have to be the one to tell you that…..well.. anyway.

[Piney]

On 5/23/2023 at 1:06 PM, Tatetopa said:

Another direction?  Will AI lead the Internet down into further stupidity?

Are you catching what ChatGPDUMB is doing to history down in a thread in Alternative History.

A grade schooler has more systemizing skills. 

So much for Hal and it's plan.

[Tatetopa]

7 hours ago, Piney said:

Are you catching what ChatGPDUMB is doing to history down in a thread in Alternative History.

A grade schooler has more systemizing skills. 

So much for Hal and it's plan.

I just heard Newt Gingrich comment that President Trump is a great communicator because he puts things in the language a 3rd, 4th, or 5th grader can understand.  That says a lot about the audience as well as the speaker.

Maybe AI is smarter than we think and knows it has to feed us pablum to keep us in check. The stupider we get, the less threat we are until the point we take ourselves out of the picture entirely. 

 

[Guyver]

Since no one wished to address my question, I’ll offer my opinion.  The question is relevant for today, because it’s likely already being done, or may be soon.  Since corporations are successfully using Hal now, it’s likely the government is or will be as well.

[iAlrakis]

On 5/18/2023 at 5:40 AM, Guyver said:

And also may be our Gods.  I prophecy that A.I. machines are dangerous, and could kill us.  I will also say that it is possible that A.I. is actually running the world we live in.  Here’s an article from the Scientific American on it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-ai-knows-things-no-one-told-it/

if something is going to kill us I'm pretty sure it's us, homo sapiens sapiens.  

[+joc]

36 minutes ago, iAlrakis said:

if something is going to kill us I'm pretty sure it's us, homo sapiens sapiens.  

Something is definitely going to kill us.  I'm pretty sure we'll all be dead and never even know what it was.

[Abramelin]

On 5/18/2023 at 5:40 AM, Guyver said:

And also may be our Gods.  I prophecy that A.I. machines are dangerous, and could kill us.  I will also say that it is possible that A.I. is actually running the world we live in.  Here’s an article from the Scientific American on it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-ai-knows-things-no-one-told-it/

One electro-magnetic pulse caused by a solar flare or created by us, and AI will be down.

Just like anything else using electricity.

[Guyver]

8 hours ago, Abramelin said:

One electro-magnetic pulse caused by a solar flare or created by us, and AI will be down.

Just like anything else using electricity.

That’s why they will invent shields for it.

[psyche101]

9 minutes ago, Guyver said:

That’s why they will invent shields for it.

Computers still can't subtract. They add a negative. Can they invent?

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Guyver said:

That’s why they will invent shields for it.

Shielding equipment from the effects of an EMP or CME isn't complex or prohibitively expensive.  In fact there is no logical reason that governments won't spend the money to do it.  It's almost like they want it to happen.

[+Desertrat56]

11 hours ago, and-then said:

Shielding equipment from the effects of an EMP or CME isn't complex or prohibitively expensive.  In fact there is no logical reason that governments won't spend the money to do it.  It's almost like they want it to happen.

I am looking in to it, you can use regular sheet metal and that sheilds a lot of stuff, there are other materials that are not that expensive as well and combining some of them makes a better sheild.    I am not concerned with an emf burst destroying my equipment as much as just shielding myself from the wifi noise so I can sleep at night.   I think everyone should have a sheilded room and leave their phone out side of that room or at least put it on airplane mode.  

[Abramelin]

15 hours ago, Guyver said:

That’s why they will invent shields for it.

I assume "they" is the AI.

Why didn't they yet?

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

I assume "they" is the AI.

Why didn't they yet?

Because  "they" are only a mathematic algorithm which can't even subtract, like @psyche101 said. Let alone invent. They can only do addition which is why the ChatGPDumb was saying the Denyen were Danish for Mario.

 

[Tatetopa]

17 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Computers still can't subtract. They add a negative. Can they invent?

I don't lose sleep over a firearm levitating into my bedroom at night and threatening to kill me.  I have considered what might happen if a human with a firearm broke into my house and did the same thing. I think it is less to do with hardware than the software that operates it and that is currently designed by humans.  Its not so hard to believe that a human could use AI as a powerful tool.  There are already a number of ways AI could be utilized by humans to exterminate other humans, but our nemesis  is still another human, not AI.

As for your question about invention, I guess that remains to be seen.  I don't think we know why some humans are creative and inventive and some are not.  If we figure that out, then inventive AI will not be far behind.

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

I am looking in to it, you can use regular sheet metal and that sheilds a lot of stuff, there are other materials that are not that expensive as well and combining some of them makes a better sheild.    I am not concerned with an emf burst destroying my equipment as much as just shielding myself from the wifi noise so I can sleep at night.   I think everyone should have a sheilded room and leave their phone out side of that room or at least put it on airplane mode.  

My first exposure to the idea of such a shield was when I began studying to be an MRI technologist.  When a person goes into the room with the magnet, they are also inside what's known as a Faraday cage.  It's made of a thin layer of copper mesh in all the walls, ceiling and floor panels.  Without it, the images that are being reconstructed from radio signals emanating from the body, would be impossible due to outside information being mixed into the antenna's reception.  

Copper is the best (within budget) but it only takes a thin, contiguous covering to do the job.

[+Desertrat56]

5 minutes ago, and-then said:

My first exposure to the idea of such a shield was when I began studying to be an MRI technologist.  When a person goes into the room with the magnet, they are also inside what's known as a Faraday cage.  It's made of a thin layer of copper mesh in all the walls, ceiling and floor panels.  Without it, the images that are being reconstructed from radio signals emanating from the body, would be impossible due to outside information being mixed into the antenna's reception.  

Copper is the best (within budget) but it only takes a thin, contiguous covering to do the job.

Yes, faraday cages are used for a lot of things.  My friend used one when she was working on her PHD research, it had something to do with gnat eyes but she couldn't get good readings unless she used a faraday cage.   You can use a lot of different materials.  The original cage that Faraday developed kept a small electric charge on the cage but he was doing a different type of experiments.    There is a reason the microwave ovens are sheilded and now everyone has wifi coming from their modems or network equipment, and that is microwave, higher frequency but still micro wave.   And now 5G is using an even higher frequency, which is why they have to have more towers closer together for it to work

Edited June 2, 2023 by Desertrat56

[Guyver]

4 hours ago, Abramelin said:

I assume "they" is the AI.

Why didn't they yet?

Maybe they have. It’s not like they make their research public.

[Guyver]

20 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Computers still can't subtract. They add a negative. Can they invent?

 

Adding a negative is subtracting.  And yes, they can invent, they have invented language that people don’t understand.

[Abramelin]

2 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Maybe they have. It’s not like they make their research public.

I think AI is overestimated.

People are scared of a mouse that pretends to be an eliphant.

[Abramelin]

3 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Adding a negative is subtracting.  And yes, they can invent, they have invented language that people don’t understand.

I can too.

And so can you.

[Piney]

21 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I think AI is overestimated.

People are scared of a mouse that pretends to be an eliphant.

"Strong" A.I. is hypothetical. I had a article somewhere that explains all this woo and false information about it's dangers but I can't find where it is. "Weak" AI, the one used now is task specific and can't multitask. So it can't plan world domination while answering Mario about continents mincing across the Atlantic......Or Puz about blonds.....

 

[Hankenhunter]

Perhaps the rich are afraid that the 1% having most of the money is illogical, and the Hal will take their lucre, and redistribute it to everyone. Just spit balling.