South Carolina governor signs six-week abortion ban

[+DieChecker]

38 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Nice cop out. Here's a question for you. With all this legislation against abortion and the various punishments that accompany an infraction, why is it only the woman gets punished, and the guy  who supported her decision walks away Scott free? Fair's fair.

Having seen the statistics on who uses abortion most... The momma probably doesn't even know who the daddy was. 

Question, if the man could be charged also, then does he get a say in if the woman can EVEN HAVE the abortion? A veto?? Or is it "her body, her choice"?

[darkmoonlady]

52 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Why the hell not? 
It might mean fewer ONS babies.

Office of National Statistics? What are you talking about? 

[darkmoonlady]

The issue with specific week restrictions would be that things go wrong throughout pregnancy and the majority of these laws don't allow for the life of the mother in danger either at all or until there is no heartbeat. Women have already bled out and died under these rules. 

[Raptor Witness]

48 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Meh, the people of SC elected these people. They are getting what they wished for. 

 Not exactly….

You have to think about the vile political machine that creates the small field of candidates. Who chooses them? Average working Americans? Absolutely not.

A relative handful of rich oligarchs are choosing the political candidates, and funding their primary runs, long before The People choose.

Our entire corrupted system of selecting candidates is about to fall into a pit of Hell, far worse than the recent pandemic unleashed. There will be no refuge from this storm, which will even be felt, inside the womb.

Death to America is here, and the angels who bring it, will not relent, until parts of America are destroyed and desolate.

South Carolina will be punished most severely, not for her stand on abortion, per se, but for hosting the Savanna River Nuclear facility.

Woe to Henry McMaster, Woe to South Carolina, Woe to her unrepentant people. You will be swept away, when the Lord of the Earth comes down to visit, and consumes you with fire.

Make it so #1 … an example for the others.

[Hankenhunter]

45 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

 Not exactly….

You have to think about the vile political machine that creates the small field of candidates. Who chooses them? Average working Americans? Absolutely not.

A relative handful of rich oligarchs are choosing the political candidates, and funding their primary runs, long before The People choose.

Our entire corrupted system of selecting candidates is about to fall into a pit of Hell, far worse than the recent pandemic unleashed. There will be no refuge from this storm, which will even be felt, inside the womb.

Death to America is here, and the angels who bring it, will not relent, until parts of America are destroyed and desolate.

South Carolina will be punished most severely, not for her stand on abortion, per se, but for hosting the Savanna River Nuclear facility.

Woe to Henry McMaster, Woe to South Carolina, Woe to her unrepentant people. You will be swept away, when the Lord of the Earth comes down to visit, and consumes you with fire.

Make it so #1 … an example for the others.

Yeah, we're well overdue for some smiting.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 hour ago, darkmoonlady said:

Office of National Statistics? What are you talking about? 

One Night Stands. 

[darkmoonlady]

2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Why the hell not? 
It might mean fewer ONS babies.

Why would it be less one night stand babies? Is that your subtle way of saying let's punish trampy women? Because one night stand men by definition are not sticking around are they? Women are always the one left holding the bag based on whether a guy feels like being a dad or not. Its not like you have tracers in your sperm that keep track of how many conceptions you've achieved? 

[+Link of Hyrule]

6 weeks is a bit..... extreme.  Thankfully the Supreme Court is (imo) likely to strike it down!

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

49 minutes ago, darkmoonlady said:

Why would it be less one night stand babies? Is that your subtle way of saying let's punish trampy women? Because one night stand men by definition are not sticking around are they? Women are always the one left holding the bag based on whether a guy feels like being a dad or not. Its not like you have tracers in your sperm that keep track of how many conceptions you've achieved? 

No, it was my way of saying that the cowardly sort of mantrash that screws and runs might think twice (or even once) before doing so if they might be gaoled for their actions. 
 

 

 

an ex of mine was very upfront about not wanting kids. 
I liked her enough to spend a lot of time with her. Before that first long night, I had a long thought on the drive there about what I’d do if there was a Little Hat Wearer in nine months. I’d decided long before we put that particular hat on that I’d be a single dad if she wanted no children, 

more men need to have that series of deep thoughts IMO. 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Sir Wearer of Hats

[darkmoonlady]

4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Having seen the statistics on who uses abortion most... The momma probably doesn't even know who the daddy was. 

Question, if the man could be charged also, then does he get a say in if the woman can EVEN HAVE the abortion? A veto?? Or is it "her body, her choice"?

You obviously DON'T know the statistics. Most women who seek abortion already have kids and a large percentage are in relationships.  So again **** shaming is not only gross its wrong. Men can have a say when they pop out their own kid. 

 

[darkmoonlady]

1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

No, it was my way of saying that the cowardly sort of mantrash that screws and runs might think twice (or even once) before doing so if they might be gaoled for their actions. 
 

 

 

an ex of mine was very upfront about not wanting kids. 
I liked her enough to spend a lot of time with her. Before that first long night, I had a long thought on the drive there about what I’d do if there was a Little Hat Wearer in nine months. I’d decided long before we put that particular hat on that I’d be a single dad if she wanted no children, 

more men need to have that series of deep thoughts IMO. 

I'd believe that if you didn't imply a lot of negative stuff about women seeking abortion. You post it. You don't fool anyone.

[Edumakated]

10 hours ago, darkmoonlady said:

The issue with specific week restrictions would be that things go wrong throughout pregnancy and the majority of these laws don't allow for the life of the mother in danger either at all or until there is no heartbeat. Women have already bled out and died under these rules. 

The vast majority of abortions have nothing to do with mothers health, infant disorders/disabilities, or incest/rape.  Most abortions are out of of convenience because birth control was not used.

For the record, I think abortion should be allowed in those rare circumstances above.  However, I have a serious issue with aborting healthy babies after about 16 weeks. 

Abortion should be legal and rare.  Unfortunately, no one can claim it is rare.

[Doug1066]

7 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

No, it was my way of saying that the cowardly sort of mantrash that screws and runs might think twice (or even once) before doing so if they might be gaoled for their actions. 

Dorothy Fuldheim (WEWS Highlights of the News) recommended castration.  At least that way, they would only have one out-of-wedlock child.

Doug

PS:  Why do they call it wedLOCK?

 

[Doug1066]

19 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

birth control was not used.

Or didn't work.

Doug

[Doug1066]

There's a simple solution to the unmarried mother problem:  child marriage.  If children can get married at 12, say, in a marriage arranged by the respective families, then there will be fewer "illegitimate" babies.

Seems a drastic solution to something that doesn't even have to be a problem if "Christians" believed in Christian love.

Doug

[Edumakated]

8 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

Or didn't work.

Doug

That is rare.  Exceedingly rare.  

Birth control failed means "I really didn't use it".  

[Raptor Witness]

9 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

Yeah, we're well overdue for some smiting.

These men propose to protect the womb of a woman, but think nothing of the womb that brought all life forth. As the real Master said, they strain out a gnat, and then swallow a camel.

Anyone or thing, which threatens the Earth’s womb will answer to the Lord of the Earth.

McMaster’s state threatens the entire world of living things.

[Katniss]

I think what is really sad is the cause and effect from these strict anti-abortion laws. I am dreading the increase in poor babies thrown away in dumpsters and trash bags by scared teen mothers and left to suffer and die. It's a fate far worse then abortion IMO. 

[Edumakated]

3 minutes ago, Katniss said:

I think what is really sad is the cause and effect from these strict anti-abortion laws. I am dreading the increase in poor babies thrown away in dumpsters and trash bags by scared teen mothers and left to suffer and die. It's a fate far worse then abortion IMO. 

Or maybe people will think long and hard about being irresponsible if they know the consequences of their actions.

[Katniss]

18 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

Or maybe people will think long and hard about being irresponsible if they know the consequences of their actions.

Like when people abuse drugs, or when people kill other people, or when people steal from other people? Laws may stop some people to think long and hard about the consequences of their actions, but in this case, just one baby thrown away into a dumpster like garbage is one to many. Now there will be more.

Edited May 26, 2023 by Katniss

[Michelle]

14 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

Or maybe people will think long and hard about being irresponsible if they know the consequences of their actions.

Fewer abortions, more vasectomies: Why the procedure may be getting more popular

Restrictions on abortion in many states are prompting some men to rethink their reproductive health decisions. Since this summer's U.S. Supreme Court ruling overturning Roe v. Wade, some doctors say they're hearing from a growing number of male patients asking for vasectomies.

"It shouldn't just be on women to step up and not have kids, you know?" says Dustin May, of St. Louis, shortly after his vasectomy procedure at a Planned Parenthood clinic. Vasecomies are outpatient permanent sterilization procedures that block sperm from being released in semen.

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https://www.npr.org/2022/12/20/1143639556/vasectomies-dobbs-roe-abortion-contraception

[Katniss]

4 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Fewer abortions, more vasectomies: Why the procedure may be getting more popular

Restrictions on abortion in many states are prompting some men to rethink their reproductive health decisions. Since this summer's U.S. Supreme Court ruling overturning Roe v. Wade, some doctors say they're hearing from a growing number of male patients asking for vasectomies.

"It shouldn't just be on women to step up and not have kids, you know?" says Dustin May, of St. Louis, shortly after his vasectomy procedure at a Planned Parenthood clinic. Vasecomies are outpatient permanent sterilization procedures that block sperm from being released in semen.

cont...

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/20/1143639556/vasectomies-dobbs-roe-abortion-contraception

That is another great cause and effect example from these strict anti abortion laws. I can see both good and bad from many men getting that done.

[Doug1066]

51 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

That is rare.  Exceedingly rare.  

Birth control failed means "I really didn't use it".  

The failure rate of birth control pills is about 1.6% per year.  That's low, but it clearly shows that this birth control method is not 100% reliable.

 

Pre-marital sex is nearly universal among Americans (Finer 2007).  Even among those who manage to stay virginal until age 20, nearly all (99%) of unmarried people have managed to have sex by age 44.  That being the case, I submit that the anti-abortion folks are being hypocrites.  Most of them have risked the need for an abortion and a substantial number of them have probably had one.

I once knew a doctor (GP) who provided abortions in a small town.  He said that about a quarter of his patients were women who were morally opposed to abortion, but thought that in their particular case, it was justified.

I recall reading a study of colonial America in which the authors compared wedding dates with birthdates of the first born and concluded that about 25% of the brides were pregnant when they got married.  They later repeated the study in current times and found that the same ratio still held.

Doug

Finer, Lawrence B.  2007.  "Trends in Pre-marital Sex in the United States, 1954-2003"  Public Health Reports January/February.

https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2006/premarital-sex-nearly-universal-among-americans-and-has-been-decades

[+DieChecker]

2 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

There's a simple solution to the unmarried mother problem:  child marriage.  If children can get married at 12, say, in a marriage arranged by the respective families, then there will be fewer "illegitimate" babies.

Seems a drastic solution to something that doesn't even have to be a problem if "Christians" believed in Christian love.

Doug

How many 12 year olds get pregnant? Are you fixing an issue that doesn't statistically exist to make a political point?

From what I remember many, if not most, underage mothers are from poor, often hispanic, families. Their culture actually encourages the father to take responsibility. Other minority cultures, not so much.

Edited May 26, 2023 by DieChecker

[+Link of Hyrule]

4 hours ago, Katniss said:

I think what is really sad is the cause and effect from these strict anti-abortion laws. I am dreading the increase in poor babies thrown away in dumpsters and trash bags by scared teen mothers and left to suffer and die. It's a fate far worse then abortion IMO. 

That's tragic,  when do you expect to see a spike in abandonment,  and will this be reflected in State or National statistics? If what you suggest does happen, that is tragic,  but I have a feeling a more likely option will be a woman who wants an abortion will get an abortion from out of state if they really want it.  

In the meantime,  the Supreme Court is likely to strike this new law down as soon as its in front of them!