Amita Posted May 28 #1 Share Posted May 28 (edited) http://Causality in science & religion: https://slife.org/causality-in-science-and-religion/ One of the most appealing questions in the history of science is if science and religion can be reconciled. Since religion and science both present cognitive perspectives about existence, this is a problem waiting to be solved instead of a question to be answered. Edited May 28 by Amita 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amita Posted May 28 Author #2 Share Posted May 28 From their About section: https://slife.org/about/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros of Skaro Posted May 28 #3 Share Posted May 28 LOL! https://slife.org/what-is-the-reason-for-the-persistence-of-darwinism/ 6 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted May 28 #4 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 2 hours ago, Amita said: http://Causality in science & religion: https://slife.org/causality-in-science-and-religion/ One of the most appealing questions in the history of science is if science and religion can be reconciled. Since religion and science both present cognitive perspectives about existence, this is a problem waiting to be solved instead of a question to be answered. Amita, we are talking about two different approaches, Religion uses faith, beliefs, and subjective experience, personal revelation to arrive at conclusions where as Science relies on empirical evidence (objective) in a nut shell the scientific method requires evidence to support claims or theories. I think religion for some offers comfort, support and coping tools on a personal level, but there is no need to be spiritual or religious to get thru life one might prefer their life with spirituality and this is fine, but all that really points out is different people find meaning in different ways, including people who include religion in their lives and have no problem with utilizing science. To me, it sounds like you are advocating for creationism basically a way to understand the natural world that relies on faith and religious interpretations not founded in empirical evidence or have any standards for accuracy or verification. Edited May 28 by Sherapy 1 6 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted May 28 #5 Share Posted May 28 The Great Beast 666 thinks this is an admirable approach to spirituality Amita: 1 4 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 28 #6 Share Posted May 28 9 hours ago, Amita said: http://Causality in science & religion: https://slife.org/causality-in-science-and-religion/ One of the most appealing questions in the history of science is if science and religion can be reconciled. Since religion and science both present cognitive perspectives about existence, this is a problem waiting to be solved instead of a question to be answered. "Science, history and religion must agree. When science and history do not agree with religion that aspect of religion is nonsense and nonsense has no place in a Quaker Meeting." Emma Peaslee Engle- Quaker historian and theologian My tutor 6 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted May 28 #7 Share Posted May 28 I give my secular life everything it's due and my spiritual life the same consideration. They run on parallel tracks and don't interfere with and are quite complimentary to one-another. 5 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted June 1 #8 Share Posted June 1 Science and religion can only be reconciled when the First Cause of science is finally recognized as being one and the same thing as religion's God of salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted June 1 #9 Share Posted June 1 29 minutes ago, Will Due said: Science and religion can only be reconciled when the First Cause of science is finally recognized as being one and the same thing as religion's God of salvation. Well that's dumb. Wasn't worth the effort you took to type it. 4 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted June 1 #10 Share Posted June 1 On 5/28/2023 at 11:40 AM, Amita said: http://Causality in science & religion: https://slife.org/causality-in-science-and-religion/ One of the most appealing questions in the history of science is if science and religion can be reconciled. Since religion and science both present cognitive perspectives about existence, this is a problem waiting to be solved instead of a question to be answered. So you don't understand science? 5 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted June 1 #11 Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Will Due said: Science and religion can only be reconciled when the First Cause of science is finally recognized as being one and the same thing as religion's God of salvation. Science and religion really can’t be reconciled when you get down to it. Religion works for many people, or seems to, but it’s not science. Science involves facts whereas religion relies upon beliefs with little or no evidence and no repeatability. In science, theories can be tested to see if they hold up to the facts, but religion is not like that. And further, I think the God of Salvation is a bit of a stretch. A more middle of the road approach would be…our Maker. But that’s just my opinion. Who’s to know if this existence is salvation? We might just live and die like dogs, become dirt, and then nothing. 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted June 1 #12 Share Posted June 1 On 5/28/2023 at 12:31 PM, Davros of Skaro said: LOL! https://slife.org/what-is-the-reason-for-the-persistence-of-darwinism/ What can one say but Good God man! 1 2 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted June 1 #13 Share Posted June 1 5 hours ago, psyche101 said: What can one say but Good God man! I just read it and started bleeding from the ears.... I'd show to my sister but her head would explode. There are 2 types of evolution. One caused by environmental stresses. The other to fill niches. Humans evolved because of the first and are now getting dumber because of the current environment. 3 1 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eight bits Posted June 1 Popular Post #14 Share Posted June 1 6 hours ago, Guyver said: We might just live and die like dogs, become dirt, and then nothing. I haven't noticed any "divine spark" that we've got that dogs lack. I don't know what happens to either of us, but whatever it is, I suspect it is the same for us both. 5 6 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted June 1 #15 Share Posted June 1 A person will see their "divine spark" after they are spirit born. Which is also the time when the universe causation of science will be reconciled with the Creator of religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted June 1 #16 Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Will Due said: A person will see their "divine spark" after they are spirit born. Which is also the time when the universe causation of science will be reconciled with the Creator of religion. Will dogs see that spark as well in your opinion? 2 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted June 1 #17 Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, openozy said: Will dogs see that spark as well in your opinion? Humans have the potential of being spirit born. Animals do not have that distinction. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted June 1 #18 Share Posted June 1 (edited) This is a good expression of what might be considered by some as similarities between spirituality and science.? Pretty interesting if you’ve never read it. ( I haven’t read it all yet…probly never will, I read until I reached a calm&quiet inner smile ; ) https://rauterberg.employee.id.tue.nl/lecturenotes/DDM110 CAS/Capra-1975 The Tao of Physics.pdf https://rauterberg.employee.id.tue.nl/lecturenotes/DDM110 CAS/Capra-1975 The Tao of Physics.pdf Edited June 1 by lightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted June 1 #19 Share Posted June 1 (edited) 5 hours ago, Will Due said: A person will see their "divine spark" after they are spirit born. Which is also the time when the universe causation of science will be reconciled with the Creator of religion. Will, the term divine spark is typically applied metaphorically, metaphors are not intended to be taken literally as they are not a physical (objective) meaning tangible. Metaphor is a device used in language to contextualize an idea, not that the idea is a real thing. In this case, your post only tells us about how you understand and undergird the world around you. If it works to get you up everyday good for you. But, you are not offering anything tangible in the way of evidence. Some examples of metaphors, “god is my rock” this metaphor is just saying to them that god is a solid reliable foundation, or gods love is like a river that flows endlessly in this case god’s love is imagined as powerful and never ending, “gods will” is the compass that provides direction to their life. In other words, these are examples of metaphors meant to convey how one undergirds their god construct subjectively. I am curious as to how you define first cause? Can you clarify? Edited June 1 by Sherapy 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted June 1 #20 Share Posted June 1 The potential for spiritual birth is real. When it occurs, science and religion are reconciled without conflict. 1 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted June 1 #21 Share Posted June 1 35 minutes ago, lightly said: This is a good expression of what might be considered by some as similarities between spirituality and science.? Pretty interesting if you’ve never read it. ( I haven’t read it all yet…probly never will, I read until I reached a calm&quiet inner smile ; ) https://rauterberg.employee.id.tue.nl/lecturenotes/DDM110 CAS/Capra-1975 The Tao of Physics.pdf Link isn’t opening. 2 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted June 1 #22 Share Posted June 1 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Will Due said: The potential for spiritual birth is real. When it occurs, science and religion are reconciled without conflict. While the idea of spiritual birth holds meaning and works for you, which is fine. Spiritual birth cannot be proven by scientific evidence at this point, of course, you apply it as an absolute truth because of your personal religious beliefs and this is your prerogative. With that being said, it is also important to respect and acknowledge that the posters have different beliefs and perspectives on the matter too, otherwise you come off as preachy. Edited June 1 by Sherapy 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted June 1 #23 Share Posted June 1 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Sherapy said: Link isn’t opening. Shucks! Works for me . . I added it again to that post…they both work for me. (PDFs) Shucks, I’ll have to try to find a link that works…I really like it..I think many people would enjoy reading it. So if anyone can give a link to it’s entirety please?? The Tao of Physics . . . . I’ll try this link: https://www.aakkozzll.com/pdf/tao_of_physics.pdf Edited June 1 by lightly 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted June 1 #24 Share Posted June 1 13 hours ago, psyche101 said: So you don't understand science? I don’t.. not all of it anyway, because ‘science’ isn’t done yet? isn’t it an ongoing process ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted June 1 #25 Share Posted June 1 7 minutes ago, Sherapy said: Spiritual birth cannot be proven There doesn't need to be proof. It's a personal thing. It either happens or it doesn't. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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