Trump vows to end birthright citizenship for illegal aliens if president again

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Former President Donald Trump pledged Tuesday to enact an executive order ending birthright citizenship guarantees for children of illegal aliens if he regains the White House in 2024, despite past constitutional objections and failures to follow through on the move.

Trump, 76, said the agenda for his second nonconsecutive term would end both birthright citizenship and so-called “birth tourism” in the US on his first day in office — a proposal he also floated before and during his first term in the Oval Office.

 

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Just now, OverSword said:

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That's just another reason why he'll never be allowed to hold office again, no matter WHAT IT TAKES.  And half the country or more think that's just grand.  They seem oblivious to the concept that if THEY can simply refuse to honor an election, everyone else can, as well.  They did it beginning in January of 2017 and are still doing it.  This country is going down and they seem to think as long as their trusted media parrots them in their beliefs, everyone else MUST obey.  That isn't the way things have ever worked in America and it isn't about to begin now.

[Edumakated]

I support ending it...  just the fact there is a tourism industry built around it is all you need to know.  

[+OverSword]

Just now, Edumakated said:

I support ending it...  just the fact there is a tourism industry built around it is all you need to know.  

Because you hear about these birth tourists daily on the news?  

[Doug1066]

He needs to read the Constitution - if he can read, that is.  It would take a Constitutional amendment to change that.

Doug

[Edumakated]

4 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Because you hear about these birth tourists daily on the news?  

Are you denying that people don't come here in an attempt to give birth to game our system?  It is an easy win to close a loop hole that is being abused.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

46 minutes ago, OverSword said:

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How far back will it go? Because, sooner or later, all WASPs who vote for Trump are illegal immigrants. 

[joseraul]

Dude is wack. 

[+OverSword]

36 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

Are you denying that people don't come here in an attempt to give birth to game our system?  It is an easy win to close a loop hole that is being abused.

I wonder what percentage of births that is?  Not worth the battle.  Trump is just trying to grab peoples attention by soliciting outrage, in this case something that is not normally on anyone's outrage meter.

[Edumakated]

12 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I wonder what percentage of births that is?  Not worth the battle.  Trump is just trying to grab peoples attention by soliciting outrage, in this case something that is not normally on anyone's outrage meter.

You say you wonder what the percentage of births that is as if you don't know and then state it isn't worth the battle?  If you don't know, how can you state it isn't worh the battle?

Quick search is saying anywhere from 7,500 to 50,000 tourism births depending on the source.  Then you factor in the illegal aliens cross the border who get preggers, I am sure the number could be quite a bit higher.  The US apparently doesn't track this statistic very well.

It isn't millions but it is still a sizable number and something that should be easily fixed. You literally have hotels and travel agents marketing birth tourism which shows it is a problem.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

Because you hear about these birth tourists daily on the news?  

This^ has been a go-to for a long time but its utility is nearly over.  Citing the fact that issues aren't covered "on the news" too often just means the "news" REFUSES to even cover it.  That's a real "thing", these days.  That's why I tend to mock some members who try using it for other political discussions.  When the VAST majority of items reported in US media nearly all tend to denigrate one party's supporters, I think it's a pretty obvious sign that bias is rampant.

Anyone who thinks allowing 4+ million unvetted people to cross our borders and be actively resettled around the country, is a good thing for America, I simply do not see as credible.  

[acidhead]

It's a campaign promise he promised before that won't be reality.  Kind of like Obama's universal healthcare promise and Vermin Love Supreme's free pony for every American.

[Edumakated]

I recall seeing this issue long before Trump even came on the scene.

New York Times article where a criminal ring was busted in 2020...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/nyregion/birth-tourism-long-island.html

"Six people were charged in federal court with bilking Medicaid of $2.1 million and taking $750,000 from pregnant women in Turkey seeking to give birth in the United States."

"The Facebook post advertised a tantalizing offer for pregnant women in Turkey. “If you believe your baby should be born in the USA and become an American citizen,” the ad said in Turkish, “then you are at the right place.”

In exchange for payments between $7,500 and $10,000 each, the women received transportation, medical care and lodging at a so-called birth house on Long Island, federal prosecutors said — allowing them to travel to New York on tourist visas and return to Turkey with babies who were American citizens."

"On Wednesday, prosecutors charged six people with running the “birth tourism” operation on Long Island, which facilitated the births of an estimated 119 babies to Turkish women since at least 2017.

The costs of the births were fraudulently billed to the state, causing New York’s Medicaid program to lose more than $2.1 million, prosecutors said."

[Edumakated]

Wait... there more.  

Mother Russa:  South Florida sees boom in "birth tourism"

https://apnews.com/article/161a0db2666044dc8d42932edd9b9ce6

"Every year, hundreds of pregnant Russian women travel to the United States to give birth so that their child can acquire all the privileges of American citizenship.  They pay anywhere from $20,000 to sometimes more than $50,000 to brokers who arrange their travel documents, accommodations and hospital stays, often in Florida."

"There are no figures on how many foreign women travel to the U.S. specifically to give birth. The Center for Immigration Studies, a group that advocates for stricter immigration laws, estimated that in 2012, about 36,000 foreign-born women gave birth in the U.S., then left the country.

The Russian contingent is clearly large. Anton Yachmenev of the Miami Care company that arranges such trips, told the AP that about 150 Russian families a year use his service, and that there are about 30 such companies just in the area."

[+OverSword]

21 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

If you don't know, how can you state it isn't worh the battle?

Because I have a non-traditional attitude about the USA's approach to immigration. 

Certainly as far as I'm concerned if you are born here you are a citizen.  

 

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Quick search is saying anywhere from 7,500 to 50,000 tourism births depending on the source.

So, much less than an NFL game. Okay.  Very small number when put in perspective.

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[+OverSword]

18 minutes ago, and-then said:

This^ has been a go-to for a long time but its utility is nearly over.  Citing the fact that issues aren't covered "on the news" too often just means the "news" REFUSES to even cover it.  That's a real "thing", these days.  That's why I tend to mock some members who try using it for other political discussions.  When the VAST majority of items reported in US media nearly all tend to denigrate one party's supporters, I think it's a pretty obvious sign that bias is rampant.

Anyone who thinks allowing 4+ million unvetted people to cross our borders and be actively resettled around the country, is a good thing for America, I simply do not see as credible.  

And it's still not a big deal even though they aren't covering it.

[Edumakated]

Just now, OverSword said:

Because I have a non-traditional attitude about the USA's approach to immigration. 

Certainly as far as I'm concerned if you are born here you are a citizen.  

 

The 14th Amendment was intended to ensure slaves became US citizens.  The intent was not to grant citizenship to children of illegal immigrants or foreigners using loopholes to have children on US soil.

Again, this is an easy win.  It is amazing there are people who will be against this because Orange Man Bad.   I guess same people who are now complaining about having to house illegal immigrants in their communities but it was all good as long as they were staying in Texas.

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

It is amazing there are people who will be against this because Orange Man Bad. 

That's not my reason.  I had my ideals about this subject before trump ever ran for office.  

[Edumakated]

4 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Because I have a non-traditional attitude about the USA's approach to immigration. 

Certainly as far as I'm concerned if you are born here you are a citizen.  

 

So, much less than an NFL game. Okay.  Very small number when put in perspective.

Except when you add up the cost...   There is also a lot of fraud connected to birth tourism.  Birth tourism itself isn't illegal, but the perpetrators tend to evade taxes and engage in medicare fraud, etc.  So yes, it is a big deal.

In article I linked above, Medicare was bilked out of $2.1 million.... for 119 births.  So $17,647 per kid.  Let's say half of the births we know about engage in some sort of fraud.  That is $441 MILLION.  That isn't a small amount of money.

That is money that could be helping our vets.  our homeless.  our addicts.  

[+OverSword]

3 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

That is money that could be helping our vets.  our homeless.  our addicts.  

But what it is factually doing is helping out some new American Citizens who are even more helpless than those you listed.

[+and-then]

35 minutes ago, OverSword said:

And it's still not a big deal even though they aren't covering it.

Well, I can agree at least that soon it won't be an issue at all.  Why go to that hassle if you can simply walk across the border?  

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, and-then said:

Well, I can agree at least that soon it won't be an issue at all.  Why go to that hassle if you can simply walk across the border?  

If the government adapted my ideas then there would be a lot more free immigration agents to deal with illegal parts of immigration.  They don't fix it because they love it.

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

That's just another reason why he'll never be allowed to hold office again, no matter WHAT IT TAKES.  And half the country or more think that's just grand.  They seem oblivious to the concept that if THEY can simply refuse to honor an election, everyone else can, as well.  They did it beginning in January of 2017 and are still doing it.  This country is going down and they seem to think as long as their trusted media parrots them in their beliefs, everyone else MUST obey.  That isn't the way things have ever worked in America and it isn't about to begin now.

What it takes for Trump to never be ALLOWED to hold office is voting, and that is all it takes.  You are correct, more than half of the country does think voting against Trump is just grand.  He recently said he was the only one who could have ended Roe vs Wade and he took full credit for it.  That is enough to cause a large number of people to vote against him regardless of anything else.

Democrats are not favorable to Trump. The largest group of voters now declare themselves as independents, and they are not majority in favor of Trump.  Even some Republicans are not in favor of Trump.  In a representative democracy that might be enough right there to keep Trump out of office.  Voting is WHAT IT TAKES.

Fore every Democrat wearing a stupid hat or carrying a sign saying Trump is not my president you will find a MAGA person doing the same with Joe Biden.   As long as they don't break any laws, I guess that would be free speech.

 

[spartan max2]

Isn't birth right citizenship part of the constitution?

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:

Isn't birth right citizenship part of the constitution?

Probably in the same way that abortion was.