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activists in West Oakland, California demand reparations for 'climate justice


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4 hours ago, odas said:

Guess Obama should have looked at Sarkozy's butt instead? Acid is just jealous.

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8 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Just give me the money....

Being a victim and demanding money has worked fabulously well for Trump.  Who can blame anyone for following a president's life example?

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3 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

This is an orphan site.  We do not have funds to clean up orphan sites.  We used to.  That's what the Superfund was.  But Republicans, in their wisdom, decided that they didn't want to interfere with profits, so they did away with it.

Oklahoma has a fund for orphan oil wells.

Paying reparations will do nothing to clean up the mess.  This is what needs to be done to keep the problem from spreading.  This may mean condemning the site, scooping up the soil and disposing of it in a proper landfill.  That would mean taking houses, maybe destroying the entire neighborhood - we have demolished entire towns to clean them up, so this is not much different.  The people affected would recover some of their loss during condemnation, but they'd still have to move.

Doug

When I was a kid, we were forced to move from a dioxin site in Missouri.   Got a decent buyout but it did not make us wealthy by any means.  

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38 minutes ago, Myles said:

When I was a kid, we were forced to move from a dioxin site in Missouri.   Got a decent buyout but it did not make us wealthy by any means.  

I asm glad you got some recompense.  Sounds like it worked like it is supposed to, not making you rich, but not destroying your family financially either.

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3 hours ago, acidhead said:

Climate alarmism is a religion for the Progressives. It parallels perfectly. Everybody is a sinner and unless each individual repents and acknowledges their sins by changing their carbon behavior they and everyone they love will perish in a ball of fire. 

You've been watching Faux News again.  Take two aspirin and go to bed.

Doug

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5 hours ago, acidhead said:

Climate alarmism is a religion for the Progressives. It parallels perfectly. Everybody is a sinner and unless each individual repents and acknowledges their sins by changing their carbon behavior they and everyone they love will perish in a ball of fire. 

 

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5 hours ago, Hawken said:

 

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Like the tree huggers they were also the first people buying up all the toilet paper in March 2020. 

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14 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Being a victim and demanding money has worked fabulously well for Trump.  Who can blame anyone for following a president's life example?

Yes, worked a treat for BLM too.

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20 hours ago, pellinore said:

I know. I'm joking.

I admit that I had to slap my sarcasm detector to see if it was working. :tu:

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15 hours ago, acidhead said:

Climate alarmism is a religion for the Progressives. It parallels perfectly. Everybody is a sinner and unless each individual repents and acknowledges their sins by changing their carbon behavior they and everyone they love will perish in a ball of fire. 

Progressives are generally too smart to fall for religions. We have this thing called critical thinking skills. Something you lack in abundance as proven by your post. I would have thought that living in Socialist Victoria, you'd have a better grasp of what hyperbole is, and why you shouldn't use it. Alas, this is not the case. 

 

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47 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Progressives are generally too smart to fall for religions. We have this thing called critical thinking skills. Something you lack in abundance as proven by your post. I would have thought that living in Socialist Victoria, you'd have a better grasp of what hyperbole is, and why you shouldn't use it. Alas, this is not the case. 

 

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And yet 'progressives' believe a person can change their gender simply by using pronouns, a biological male can have babies & they cannot define what a woman is... hmm sounds very much like religion.

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8 hours ago, acidhead said:

Like the tree huggers they were also the first people buying up all the toilet paper in March 2020.

As a former inventory forester, I resent the use of the term "tree-hugger" in a pejorative manner.  I was a professional tree hugger.

Doug

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On 5/31/2023 at 12:27 AM, acidhead said:

Just curious... Exactly how high has the sea risen so far?

Sea level rise differs from place to place.  About 4 inches in the last 100 years at Sydney Harbor.  About three feet in San Francisco Bay.

Here are some papers on the subject:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017EF000738

About 2.0+/-0.3mm/yr since 1970:  https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2014GL059766

https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1365-2664.13169

https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1365-2664.13169

 

Sea level rise isn't the whole story.  What happens when rising seas meet an obstruction, like when Superstorm Sandy hit New York?

Or on-land flooding meets a storm surge with higher seas levels.

Or the marshes protecting the Louisiana coast are destroyed by storms/rising seas.

Doug

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19 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

Times Beach?

Doug

Pretty much.   It was another site though.  Same material though.  

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6 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

As a former inventory forester, I resent the use of the term "tree-hugger" in a pejorative manner.  I was a professional tree hugger.

Doug

Congratulations!

How many trees have you planted?

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29 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Congratulations!

How many trees have you planted?

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 30,000.  Of course, that includes those planted by crews under my supervision.

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5 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 30,000.  Of course, that includes those planted by crews under my supervision.

Doug

Awesome! Good to hear. I'm curious though.. why were you hugging trees? No offense, I ask any tree activist if they've ever considered planting trees instead of trying to 'save the trees' or shut the industry down. 

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2 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Awesome! Good to hear. I'm curious though.. why were you hugging trees? No offense, I ask any tree activist if they've ever considered planting trees instead of trying to 'save the trees' or shut the industry down. 

To measure a tree you wrap a D-tape around it.  You have to reach around to grab the other end of the tape, hugging the tree in the process.

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1 minute ago, Doug1066 said:

To measure a tree you wrap a D-tape around it.  You have to reach around to grab the other end of the tape, hugging the tree in the process.

Doug

Ahhh got it. Not a save the trees activist. Thanks Doug! 

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1 hour ago, acidhead said:

Ahhh got it. Not a save the trees activist. Thanks Doug! 

No, but a proponent of good forest management and protection of adequate natural areas.  The tree huggers do have some points.

Doug

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