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6 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

All you have to do is prove it. Failure to do so simply  underlines my point the objects are those of extraterrestrials. Now, show us what you got that refutes what I have just said.

No, you have to prove it. 

If I claim that they are fairies then I have to provide evidence for fairies.  That's the way it works.

At present there is as much evidence for fairies as there is for aircraft built by extraterrestrial in their secret factory in Seoul (or wherever you think it is)

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9 hours ago, Essan said:

No, you have to prove it. 

If I claim that they are fairies then I have to provide evidence for fairies.  That's the way it works.

At present there is as much evidence for fairies as there is for aircraft built by extraterrestrial in their secret factory in Seoul (or wherever you think it is)

You are correct that I have to prove it, so in case you missed it, here it is again, and remember, this is just one of many such cases that I have presented over the years. Having seen one myself in 1968 over Vietnam and afterward, assigned to a base that was investigating incidents where UFOs disabled our Minuteman missiles, I can safely say that an alien presence here on Earth is a fact. 

In the following video, pay very close attention to 3 lines of information at the lower right portion of the radar screen. Line #2 depicts the airspeed of the object, and you will notice that the changes in airspeed in just a matter of seconds which is proof the object is a craft that is not of this Earth.

Here's additional information as recorded by the F-16's radar.

Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)

00 200 150 7000

01 200 150 7000

02 200 150 7000

03 200 150 7000

04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000

05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000

06 270 560 6000

07 270 570 6000

08 270 560 7000

09 270 550 7000

10 210 560 9000

11 210 570 10000

12 210 560 11000

13 210 570 10000

14 270 770 7000

15 270 770 6000

16 270 780 6000

17 270 790 5000

 

The performance depicted above is similar to what Navy pilots and radar controllers reported years later during the Navy's UAP encounters.

 

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43 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

You are correct that I have to prove it, so in case you missed it, here it is again, and remember, this is just one of many such cases that I have presented over the years. Having seen one myself in 1968 over Vietnam and afterward, assigned to a base that was investigating incidents where UFOs disabled our Minuteman missiles, I can safely say that an alien presence here on Earth is a fact. 

In the following video, pay very close attention to 3 lines of information at the lower right portion of the radar screen. Line #2 depicts the airspeed of the object, and you will notice that the changes in airspeed in just a matter of seconds which is proof the object is a craft that is not of this Earth.

Here's additional information as recorded by the F-16's radar.

Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)

00 200 150 7000

01 200 150 7000

02 200 150 7000

03 200 150 7000

04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000

05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000

06 270 560 6000

07 270 570 6000

08 270 560 7000

09 270 550 7000

10 210 560 9000

11 210 570 10000

12 210 560 11000

13 210 570 10000

14 270 770 7000

15 270 770 6000

16 270 780 6000

17 270 790 5000

 

The performance depicted above is similar to what Navy pilots and radar controllers reported years later during the Navy's UAP encounters.

 

Pay close attention to when the contact disappears from the screen and when the lock switches from one contact to another.

Possibly more than one anomalous contact.

Now watch as Skyeagle refuses to explain this detail and discusses me instead.

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40 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

You are correct that I have to prove it, so in case you missed it, here it is again, and remember, this is just one of many such cases that I have presented over the years. Having seen one myself in 1968 over Vietnam and afterward, assigned to a base that was investigating incidents where UFOs disabled our Minuteman missiles, I can safely say that an alien presence here on Earth is a fact. 

In the following video, pay very close attention to 3 lines of information at the lower right portion of the radar screen. Line #2 depicts the airspeed of the object, and you will notice that the changes in airspeed in just a matter of seconds which is proof the object is a craft that is not of this Earth.

Here's additional information as recorded by the F-16's radar.

Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)

00 200 150 7000

01 200 150 7000

02 200 150 7000

03 200 150 7000

04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000

05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000

06 270 560 6000

07 270 570 6000

08 270 560 7000

09 270 550 7000

10 210 560 9000

11 210 570 10000

12 210 560 11000

13 210 570 10000

14 270 770 7000

15 270 770 6000

16 270 780 6000

17 270 790 5000

 

The performance depicted above is similar to what Navy pilots and radar controllers reported years later during the Navy's UAP encounters.

 

You already posted that at least once.   If it wasn't accepted as the proof people want then why do you repost it when asked for proof.   The videos only prove that something unusual was tracked, not that it is from outer space.

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2 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Pay close attention to when the contact disappears from the screen and when the lock switches from one contact to another.

Possibly more than one anomalous contact.

Now watch as Skyeagle refuses to explain this detail and discusses me instead.

How amusing because that has no bearing on the radar data, which further proves that you have no understanding of how radar works. 

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2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

You already posted that at least once.   If it wasn't accepted as the proof people want then why do you repost it when asked for proof.   The videos only prove that something unusual was tracked, not that it is from outer space.

The videos prove the objects maneuvered in ways that mankind does not understand, which means that object is not that of mankind because mankind has no clue as to how the objects are maneuvering.

page1-696px-TIC_TAC_UFO_EXECUTIVE_REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0.pdf.jpg

 

When Top Gun Pilots Tangled with a Baffling Tic-Tac-Shaped UFO | HISTORY

 

You also mentioned outer space, but radar controllers have confirmed that in one of those cases, the objects were first detected in low Earth orbit before descending to 80,000 feet. Check it out.

 

 Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) Radar Systems Detects UAPs in Low Earth Orbit

According to a 2019 study published by the Scientific Coalition for UAP studies (SCU), Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles, the Ballistic Missile Defense radar tracked the contacts in low earth orbit.

The Princeton radar then picked up the contacts at 80,000 feet north of their carrier group, near San Clemente Island off the coast of San Diego. Senior Chief Kevin Day informed that the Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) radar systems had detected the UAVs in low Earth orbit before they dropped down. The unknown contacts arrived 10-20 in a group at 80,000 feet and then they would drop down to 28,000 feet and track south at a speed of about 100 knots. “Periodically, the UAPs would drop from 28,000 feet to sea level, or under the surface, in 0.78 seconds,” said the report. The USS Princeton’s highly advanced radar had been picking up mysterious objects for several days by then. 

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14 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

The videos prove the objects maneuvered in ways that mankind does not understand, which means that object is not that of mankind because mankind has no clue as to how the objects are maneuvering.

page1-696px-TIC_TAC_UFO_EXECUTIVE_REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0.pdf.jpg

 

When Top Gun Pilots Tangled with a Baffling Tic-Tac-Shaped UFO | HISTORY

 

You also mentioned outer space, but radar controllers have confirmed that in one of those cases, the objects were first detected in low Earth orbit before descending to 80,000 feet. Check it out.

 

 Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) Radar Systems Detects UAPs in Low Earth Orbit

According to a 2019 study published by the Scientific Coalition for UAP studies (SCU), Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles, the Ballistic Missile Defense radar tracked the contacts in low earth orbit.

The Princeton radar then picked up the contacts at 80,000 feet north of their carrier group, near San Clemente Island off the coast of San Diego. Senior Chief Kevin Day informed that the Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) radar systems had detected the UAVs in low Earth orbit before they dropped down. The unknown contacts arrived 10-20 in a group at 80,000 feet and then they would drop down to 28,000 feet and track south at a speed of about 100 knots. “Periodically, the UAPs would drop from 28,000 feet to sea level, or under the surface, in 0.78 seconds,” said the report. The USS Princeton’s highly advanced radar had been picking up mysterious objects for several days by then. 

You know who has the capability to be in low earth orbit?   We do!   Have for quite a few decades.   You still haven't shown anyone your DD214 to prove you  were in the military, which you used as a claim that you know what you are talking about.  

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1 hour ago, skyeagle409 said:

How amusing because that has no bearing on the radar data, which further proves that you have no understanding of how radar works. 

Like I predicted, you preferred to discuss me than answer the question.

Seems like you are not as competant as you claim.

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7 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

You know who has the capability to be in low earth orbit?   We do!   Have for quite a few decades.   

Not in the manner as reported. Read the rest of the story and you will notice that they descended from low Earth orbit to 80,000 feet and hovered before descending to a lower altitude.  Detecting UAPs in low orbit is not new and have been observed in low orbit for decades. Case in point. At what altitude were the objects reported hovering above the Earth?

A.  10 feet

B.  5 miles

C.  200 miles

D.  None of the above

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At what altitude was this flying saucer traveling before the object swerved upward?

 

HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER
by
Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN

1. The object, viewed in cross section, was elliptical in shape.

2. It was about 105 feet in diameter.

3. It was flying at an altitude of approximately 56 miles. (This was determined by a ballistics expert. An object at a lower altitude on this particular bright day could not have fitted the data taken. For security reasons, I cannot go deeper into this method of calculating altitude.)

4. Its speed was about 5 miles per second.

5. At the end of its trajectory, it swerved abruptly upward, altering its angle of elevation by 5 degrees -- corresponding to an increase in altitude of about 25 miles -- in a period of 10 seconds. Rough calculation indicates that a force of more that 20 G's (20 times the pull of gravity) would be required to produce this elevation in this time.

6. The object was visible for 60 seconds.

7. It disappeared at an elevation of 29 degrees.

How Scientists Tracked A Flying Saucer - TRUE, 1950 (nicap.org)

 

Are you aware of what was leaked in 1984?

Fast Waker UFO

MAY 5, 1984, an alert was triggered at the North America Air Defense Command. Moving at 22,000 miles per hour, it was heading toward Earth and had been determined to NOT be an incoming ballistic missile, or any other type of conventionally explainable object. Once tracked, it was code-named "Fast Walker".

At 1400 hours zulu time, an object was spotted by a USDSP satellite and tracked as it sped first directly toward the Earth and passed if front and within 15 miles of the USDSP satellite. It suddenly and without impact or contact with other devices or obstructions curved outward, away from the Earth. It was tracked for another 9 minutes until it then disappeared. What the data resolved was that it was a hot, fast, solid object that swept in from outer space. This information would probably have been totally kept from public view, but it was leaked.

The statement was "Where it appeared in the (satellite's) sensor field would indicate that the object came into the sensor field from outer space, went in front of the sensor, and left, departing back into deep space. It would indicate that it was some type of craft that had the ability to maneuver. And there you have hard evidence. You have telemetry from that satellite, you have information, you have systems, you have data that you can go back and investigate and check and verify.

Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, and tracks a rough average of 500 of them (UFOs for the uninitiated) each year as they enter the Earth's atmosphere from deep space, maneuver around, and then leave again. It corroborates a similar report from Aerojet General engineers Lee Graham and Ron Regehr, who have revealed to the well-respected UFO researcher Don Ecker documents indicating that Aerojet's DSP satellite system, alone, routinely detects UFOs flying into Earth's atmosphere from deep space... up to two to three times per month."

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

 You still haven't shown anyone your DD214 to prove you  were in the military, which you used as a claim that you know what you are talking about.  

Revealing my DD214 is not the way to go, so forgive me. You just have to trust me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

You already posted that at least once.   If it wasn't accepted as the proof people want then why do you repost it when asked for proof.   The videos only prove that something unusual was tracked, not that it is from outer space.

Exactly.

It's simply proof of an anomalous radar return.   It's not even proof of a physical object, let alone one from another planet.

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10 hours ago, Essan said:

Exactly.

It's simply proof of an anomalous radar return.   It's not even proof of a physical object, let alone one from another planet.

I think you have been missing the point that the radar contacts were visually confirmed and tracked on radar, optical and infrared sensors on the aircraft that were data-linked with the ships of objects whose performance capabilities are unknown to mankind, which simply means that the objects are not of this Earth. You might want to review post #84 and:

 

2.4.1. Senior Chief Operations Specialist Kevin Day (RADAR) 

An important role of the USS Princeton is to act as air defense protection for the strike group. The Princeton was equipped with the SPY-1 radar system which provided situational awareness of the surrounding airspace. The main incident occurred on 14 November 2004, but several days earlier, radar operators on the USS Princeton were detecting UAPs appearing on radar at about 80,000+ feet altitude to the north of CSG11 in the vicinity of Santa Catalina and San Clemente Islands. Senior Chief Kevin Day informed us that the Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) radar systems had detected the UAPs in low Earth orbit before they dropped down to 80,000 feet . The objects would arrive in groups of 10 to 20 and subsequently drop down to 28,000 feet with a several hundred foot variation, and track south at a speed of about 100 knots. Periodically, the UAPs would drop from 28,000 feet to sea level (estimated to be 50 feet), or under the surface, in 0.78 s. 

 I might also add there are radars that can differentiate between atmospheric phenomena, bird species and even bats. In another mode, it can differentiate between a Ford truck and a Chevy van. In addition, you might want to hear what others have beens saying.

Two retired Navy officers warn that infamous UFO Tic-Tac sighting indicates 'technology that outstrips our arsenal by at least 100 to 1,000 years'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9590727/Ex-Navy-officer-says-UFO-technology-100-1-000-years-ahead-United-States.html

It's time to listen to what certain people are saying.

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11 hours ago, Essan said:

Exactly.

It's simply proof of an anomalous radar return.   It's not even proof of a physical object, let alone one from another planet.

This!!!!

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20 hours ago, Essan said:

Exactly.

It's simply proof of an anomalous radar return.   It's not even proof of a physical object, let alone one from another planet.

Why of course it is proof, especially since the objects were confirmed visually and by additional confirmations by multiple dissimilar sensors aboard the aircraft and ships. Just to let you know that the aircraft have multiple sensors that include radar, and cameras capable of streaming crystal-clear images of the objects back to the ships, crystal-clear images that are currently classified as well as infrared sensors.

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4 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

Why of course it is proof, especially since the objects were confirmed visually and by additional confirmations by multiple dissimilar sensors aboard the aircraft and ships. Just to let you know that the aircraft have multiple sensors that include radar, and cameras capable of streaming crystal-clear images of the objects back to the ships, crystal-clear images that are currently classified as well as infrared sensors.

What proof do you have that these alleged objects came from another planet though?  

Just because you cannot explain something does not mean god space aliens.   You're jumping to the conclusion you want simply because it's the only one you want to accept.   And that's how religions get started!

Oh, and for the record, I don't trust the testimony and observational skills of anyone in the US military - especially from decades ago-  any more that I trust the promise of a politician.   They may be mistaken.

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I'd like to get away from the nonsense of Sky's fantasies and double back to the OP and the concept of "black projects". What do those actually entail? Well there's entire catalog of weapons, vehicles and equipment that fall under that broad term. Notably they are classified projects for the DoD. Some items are under the purview of NASA for proprietary reasons though. They are given that moniker due to the inability of prying eyes to actually see them and they are unable to trace the lines of accounting for them. Undisclosed or black projects exist in that space in order to keep an advantage on competitors and adversaries. These items are tested at various sites either in CONUS or at OCONUS locations controlled by the US. 

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49 minutes ago, Trelane said:

I'd like to get away from the nonsense of Sky's fantasies and double back to the OP and the concept of "black projects". What do those actually entail? Well there's entire catalog of weapons, vehicles and equipment that fall under that broad term. Notably they are classified projects for the DoD. Some items are under the purview of NASA for proprietary reasons though. They are given that moniker due to the inability of prying eyes to actually see them and they are unable to trace the lines of accounting for them. Undisclosed or black projects exist in that space in order to keep an advantage on competitors and adversaries. These items are tested at various sites either in CONUS or at OCONUS locations controlled by the US. 

But occasionally those black projects may be observed by someone, possibly military.   And on other occasions it may be necessary to test the efficiency of these black projects in a "real world" setting, possibly by seeing how the military react to them, without said military knowing what it is they are seeing.

I wonder what story they could put out to hide the truth?  

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35 minutes ago, Essan said:

But occasionally those black projects may be observed by someone, possibly military.   And on other occasions it may be necessary to test the efficiency of these black projects in a "real world" setting, possibly by seeing how the military react to them, without said military knowing what it is they are seeing.

I wonder what story they could put out to hide the truth?  

Well, if someone not cleared observes something , there needs to be check and balance to ensure hat reported item doesn't tip off what may be getting tested or possibly fielded. 

Say LTC Smith or Private First Class Jones see something in the distance that makes incredible aerial maneuvers but they; 1) weren't intended to observe this item, 2) weren't cleared to have access to the project but due to unforeseen circumstances found themselves in an area of unfortunate opportunity to actually see it, 3) the item is highly classified as it is testing new capabilities technology it stands to reason that a menu of items can be used to explain away the event to divert attention. Hell, the CIA admitted they took the UFO craze and weaponized it as the first gen of stealth aircraft were being tested and fielded.

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6 hours ago, Trelane said:

I'd like to get away from the nonsense of Sky's fantasies and double back to the OP and the concept of "black projects".

How amusing that you would speak of fantasies when you have failed to provide man-made evidence that refutes my extraterrestrial evidence. You have to understand that I wasn't born yesterday.

Now, where's your man-made evidence that supports your fantasy claim? :whistle: No man-made evidence and I will add another notch on the stock due to your failure to provide such evidence. 

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6 hours ago, Essan said:

But occasionally those black projects may be observed by someone, possibly military.   And on other occasions it may be necessary to test the efficiency of these black projects in a "real world" setting, possibly by seeing how the military react to them, without said military knowing what it is they are seeing.

I wonder what story they could put out to hide the truth?  

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you implying the UAPs that Navy pilots have been encountering off the East and West coast of the United States were our black projects?

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5 hours ago, Trelane said:

Some black projects never see the light of day as they end up being developmental dead ends.

Operating our black projects in the manner where they become safe-of-flight or national security issues is not the way we do business with our classified asserts and remember; this is a worldwide phenomenon that has been occurring over countries around the world and continues to this very day. When it was determined that the Belgian UFO was indeed a flying craft, Belgium asked the United States if the object was one of our stealth aircraft, which of course, the United States responded with a no answer. 

UFOs have created safety-of-flight and national security issues for many years around the world and it is evident that the documented performance capabilities are so far advanced beyond anything known to mankind that we cannot even comprehend how to develop such advanced flying machines on our own. It's like going back in time a thousand years and asking people of those days to back-engineer a laptop computer. Technologically speaking, mankind has come a long way over the past 200 years, but taking the age of the universe into consideration and the fact that our own Sun is just a middle-age star, there could very well be alien civilizations that are thousands of years more advanced than mankind, and the odds are just as likely there could very well be alien civilizations that are millions of years more advanced than mankind.

Add to the fact that such advanced technology and performance capacities have been documented by countries around the world and details of their operational technology remains unknown to mankind will provide insight that those objects are not ours.

 

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Is there a mosquito in here? I think it keeps trying to get my attention. I hope he's not trying to dialogue with me. I have no time for liars and those of reduced intellectual capacity who can't stay focused on any one topic.

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18 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you implying the UAPs that Navy pilots have been encountering off the East and West coast of the United States were our black projects?

I'm suggesting that it's certainly a possibility.   And a logical possibility at that.  

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And I am quite sure that some of the mysterious triangular UFOs that were popular back in the 90s (before falling out of vogue) now look something like this  ;) 

 

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