Bible banned in some US schools

[Myles]

2 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Many of the kids in high school can hardly read at an elementary level. I was raised poor in a trailer park. Yet somehow I was able to read and write appropriately for my age level. How can poverty explain that? 

It is what the Democrats do to protect their criminals.  Just an excuse.  

[Tatetopa]

7 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Certainly there must be a line that government shouldn’t have power to cross? I mean if I could be arrested for reading a book found in the school library to say my neighbors kids, that probably shouldn’t be in the school library. 
 

I think it’s sad that people think government should have more say in schools than parents. To me, government, especially the federal government, should have zero say about anything. We were first in the world in education before the government had influence. Now we are raising idiots. 

I would think that is true, there are lines that can't be crossed.  I think it is written in the Constitution.  Banning books and being arrested for reading them is not my idea of America.  If you read a book to your neighbor's kids that the neighbors disapprove of then they tell their kids not to associate with you anymore.  Parents have the right to do that. There is no right for the government to arrest you for that.

My view is that every government operates on privileges and obligations.  We have some of the greatest privileges, but we still have some minimal obligations.  The government sees it in their best interest for citizens to have a basic understanding of how our government works  and master the current level of technology in the world.  That is public school and the government has a say in what gets taught.  Private school and home school are two accepted alternatives.  A citizen can forgo the privilege of public school and be free of the obligation  with no harm or foul if they choose one of those alternatives.  The government does not force public school as the only alternative.

My view is that every citizen has the ultimate right and responsibility for the education of their children.  Therefore, to maintain that right for every citizen, it follows that no parent has the right to tell another parent how to educate their children. 

Public schools should take a step back from party politics and provide the best and broadest education possible.  Every parent is responsible for what their child checks out of the library and brings home to read, and every parent should have the right to fill out a permission slip expressing what their child can and cannot access.  But I think the library should have books available for Black, Chinese, Indian or Hispanic kids too.  There are kids who have single parents and kids who have two parents of the same sex.  They should all be able to access books about their own situation.  So, that permission slip can detail what a parent does not want their child to access among those categories.  That sounds like freedom to me.

 

[Doug1066]

On 6/2/2023 at 11:05 PM, and-then said:

Studying the bible is not something critical to education within the school system. 

It is, nevertheless, important in understanding history.  The Bible is not history, but it is a reflection of history, like looking at a warped mirror.  That being said, it is not child appropriate.

Doug

[darkmoonlady]

8 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Many of the kids in high school can hardly read at an elementary level. I was raised poor in a trailer park. Yet somehow I was able to read and write appropriately for my age level. How can poverty explain that? 

Easy. Schools funding is based on the taxes collected in that area plus federal funding. If the community is poor, less taxes collected, less funding. Especially if said school district gets people elected who think teachers shouldn't be paid well for their jobs. Does that about cover it?

[Myles]

54 minutes ago, darkmoonlady said:

Easy. Schools funding is based on the taxes collected in that area plus federal funding. If the community is poor, less taxes collected, less funding. Especially if said school district gets people elected who think teachers shouldn't be paid well for their jobs. Does that about cover it?

Much of the success of a school is because of the parents.   If the parents think it is the schools job to teach manners and raise the children, it will fail.  When my wife calls a parent to tell them that their child is not doing well, the parent gets defensive and blames her.  When I grew up, it was not good for me if the school called my parents.

[+Link of Hyrule]

10 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

Sending your slave out to be raped to death is virtuous?  How brave of him.

You are using modern values to interpret ancient texts. No Jew will agree that this is the takeaway you should have from that text. I'm sure we've had this exact same discussion on the Spirituality Boards in years past. I'm no longer a Christian but I haven't lost the ability to read the Bible in context. If you wish to discuss this further, tag me in a thread in the Spirituality Boards, otherwise there's no point derailing the News section with arguments about theology. Have a good day, 

[darkmoonlady]

1 hour ago, Myles said:

Much of the success of a school is because of the parents.   If the parents think it is the schools job to teach manners and raise the children, it will fail.  When my wife calls a parent to tell them that their child is not doing well, the parent gets defensive and blames her.  When I grew up, it was not good for me if the school called my parents.

I get that too, my best friend is a teacher. At the same time if parents are barely scraping by or working long hours to keep food and a roof they don't have a lot left over for kids too. There has been a shift in parents blaming teachers for everything too. Teachers are not indoctrinating your kids, they don't have the time, energy or pay to do their job. Indoctrination would cost a lot more. 

[Alchopwn]

15 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Wouldn’t Passion Fetes/Parades/Festivals count as Cosplay?

Except that they aren't authentic costumes.  People in ancient Roman occupied Judea didn't wear the Toga Virilus as they are so often depicted in.

[Alchopwn]

13 hours ago, darkmoonlady said:

The government doesn't have more power but it does have some power as well it should. Not all parents are good people who take good care of their children. It's why teachers are mandatory reporters. We aren't raising idiots. We are raising generations of kids with the biggest income inequality. We were never ever ranked #1 in education. 

Why U.S. can't get back to head of the class (because it was never there) https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/why-us-cant-get-back-to-head-of-the-class-because-it-was-never-there/2012/07/01/gJQAwpgAHW_blog.html

There is a terrible climate of anti-intellectualism/pro-ignorance in the USA.  That is why most American kids when asked to find the USA on a world map point to Russia.  We like 'em fat and dumb and not asking too many questions.

[Rlyeh]

13 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

You are using modern values to interpret ancient texts. No Jew will agree that this is the takeaway you should have from that text. I'm sure we've had this exact same discussion on the Spirituality Boards in years past. I'm no longer a Christian but I haven't lost the ability to read the Bible in context. If you wish to discuss this further, tag me in a thread in the Spirituality Boards, otherwise there's no point derailing the News section with arguments about theology. Have a good day, 

Yeah, I'm treating women as more than property.  My apologies.

Edited June 6, 2023 by Rlyeh