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[Merged] Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin


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On 6/12/2023 at 12:46 AM, Unusual Tournament said:

Well who made these allegations of crashed UAP/UFO’s?

David Grusch is former airforce, scholarship in physics. Intelligence officer for 14 years. Co-lead UAP effort out of NGA

Had ability to be read into any program he needed. Has not been rebuffed or silenced by his government employer’s. 
 

…source is good for me

Yes, he checks out in all aspects.

Here's a very telling chart of him vs Mick West. You know good ol Mick, everything is a speeding bug, light refraction, or wayward party balloon.

 

Grusch vs West fact check chart.jpeg

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4 minutes ago, Phantom309 said:

Yes, he checks out in all aspects.

Here's a very telling chart of him vs Mick West. You know good ol Mick, everything is a speeding bug, light refraction, or wayward party balloon.

 

Grusch vs West fact check chart.jpeg

Tony Hawk Pro Skater for PS1 is an all time classic,I watched a few fist fights break out between my friends while playing it :lol:

Yeah that's about all I got to say :lol:

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3 hours ago, Phantom309 said:

Yes, he checks out in all aspects.

Here's a very telling chart of him vs Mick West. You know good ol Mick, everything is a speeding bug, light refraction, or wayward party balloon.

 

Grusch vs West fact check chart.jpeg

Mick West doesn't impress me at all. Mick West has written articles for the Skeptical Inquirer, which sums it up as to where he is coming from. Speaking of balloons, the Skeptical Inquirer still believes that a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 was responsible for the Roswell Indent despite the fact that Project Mogul balloon records proved there was no such thing as Project Mogul balloon #4.

They are just covering up the fact that alien bodies and their craft have been recovered. 

 

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1 hour ago, skyeagle409 said:

They are just covering up the fact that alien bodies and their craft have been recovered

it's not a fact- stop using that word in this context, it's boring 

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5 hours ago, Phantom309 said:

Yes, he checks out in all aspects.

Here's a very telling chart of him vs Mick West. You know good ol Mick, everything is a speeding bug, light refraction, or wayward party balloon.

 

Grusch vs West fact check chart.jpeg

When and where was he employed as a GS 15? He was a LTC (O-5) when he made his report (2021). So even if he retired in '22 , as the chart would presume, he left service and was accepted at a higher pay scale than he retired as? That almost never happens.

I would like to know what part of the NDAA 2023 language he allegedly co-authored? That wasn't in his wheelhouse working at NGIA. Maybe reviewed something but that agency doesn't write policy.

He wouldn't testify in a SCIF. Someone clearly has never heard of the term and slapped it on for this graphic. That is not what they are intended for. He would be interviewed in a different facility to provide testimony.

More red flags right there. That is if this is in fact are things he and his lawyer are putting out there.

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43 minutes ago, Trelane said:

When and where was he employed as a GS 15? He was a LTC (O-5) when he made his report (2021). So even if he retired in '22 , as the chart would presume, he left service and was accepted at a higher pay scale than he retired as? That almost never happens.

I would like to know what part of the NDAA 2023 language he allegedly co-authored? That wasn't in his wheelhouse working at NGIA. Maybe reviewed something but that agency doesn't write policy.

He wouldn't testify in a SCIF. Someone clearly has never heard of the term and slapped it on for this graphic. That is not what they are intended for. He would be interviewed in a different facility to provide testimony.

More red flags right there. That is if this is in fact are things he and his lawyer are putting out there.

time will reveal facts if there are any with regards to aliens on this planet.

All time has done so far for this phenom is it's revealed nothing.

Even the believers 'deep down' must feel people like Grusch will reveal nothing.

How much 'time' do we give it? How long ago was the disclosure project? We know as much now as we did then.
Nothing gained.. OH HOLD UP!?!? Actually Tons Gained financially by the likes of Greer over the years.. And that's without revealing anything! All I can say to Grusch is good luck, milk them for what you can:tu:
 

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8 hours ago, Dejarma said:

it's not a fact- stop using that word in this context, it's boring 

 

You have to understand that it doesn't matter what you think simply because the reality is, alien bodies and extraterrestrial wreckage have been recovered and now, we have government officials confirming such recoveries, which was revealed during an interview with General Arthur E. Exon, former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB,  where alien bodies and wreckage were taken.. 

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7 hours ago, Trelane said:

When and where was he employed as a GS 15? He was a LTC (O-5) when he made his report (2021). So even if he retired in '22 , as the chart would presume, he left service and was accepted at a higher pay scale than he retired as? That almost never happens.

I would like to know what part of the NDAA 2023 language he allegedly co-authored? That wasn't in his wheelhouse working at NGIA. Maybe reviewed something but that agency doesn't write policy.

He wouldn't testify in a SCIF. Someone clearly has never heard of the term and slapped it on for this graphic. That is not what they are intended for. He would be interviewed in a different facility to provide testimony.

More red flags right there. That is if this is in fact are things he and his lawyer are putting out there.

I read Mick West's take on the Navy's  'Gimbal' UAP in regard to the rotation of the object, which is considered a joke by those who know better, but this should explain the rest of the story about Mick West and why he cannot be taken seriously. He describes himself as a debunker, skeptic, writer, along with being a former video game programmer. Need I say more?!

Now that it has been determined that an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth is a really, it's time for the government to begin the declassification process.

 

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6 hours ago, Dejarma said:

time will reveal facts if there are any with regards to aliens on this planet.

All time has done so far for this phenom is it's revealed nothing.

Even the believers 'deep down' must feel people like Grusch will reveal nothing.

How much 'time' do we give it? How long ago was the disclosure project? We know as much now as we did then.
Nothing gained.. OH HOLD UP!?!? Actually Tons Gained financially by the likes of Greer over the years.. And that's without revealing anything! All I can say to Grusch is good luck, milk them for what you can:tu:

 

Let's take a look at the website of the CIA. After the CIA lost a lawsuit to Ground Saucer Watch (GSW), many of its UFO documents were released including those on the 1976 Iranian UFO incident and let's not forget, one of the Iranian pilots involved in the 1976 Iranian UFO incident was presented by Steven Greer..

PAPER REPORTS ALLEGED EVIDENCE ON MISHAP INVOLVING UFO

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0005517761.pdf

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

 

You have to understand that it doesn't matter what you think simply because the reality is, alien bodies and extraterrestrial wreckage have been recovered and now, we have government officials confirming such recoveries, which was revealed during an interview with General Arthur E. Exon, former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB,  where alien bodies and wreckage were taken.. 

Hangar 18n and WP AFB ? really??  There's no story you don't like apparently.:lol:

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6 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

I read Mick West's take on the Navy's  'Gimbal' UAP in regard to the rotation of the object, which is considered a joke by those who know better, but this should explain the rest of the story about Mick West and why he cannot be taken seriously. He describes himself as a debunker, skeptic, writer, along with being a former video game programmer. Need I say more?!

Now that it has been determined that an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth is a really, it's time for the government to begin the declassification process.

 

I don't give a hoot about West. My post was regarding Grusch since the recent hullabaloo is because of his claims to DoD IG.

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10 hours ago, Trelane said:

Hangar 18n and WP AFB ? really??  There's no story you don't like apparently.:lol:

I enjoy stories about recovered alien bodies and crash wreckage at Wright-Patterson AFB. We you aware that the Air Force once scrambled two jets to photograph a saucer hovering over Wright-Patterson AFB around 30,000 feet? There's much that you are unaware of.

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10 hours ago, Trelane said:

I don't give a hoot about West. My post was regarding Grusch since the recent hullabaloo is because of his claims to DoD IG.

Just to let you know that what Grush is asserting is what military and intelligence officials have been saying for decades, including a former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB. 

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3 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

I enjoy stories about recovered alien bodies and crash wreckage at Wright-Patterson AFB. We you aware that the Air Force once scrambled two jets to photograph a saucer hovering over Wright-Patterson AFB around 30,000 feet? There's much that you are unaware of.

Were you aware that Catch Kandy and his sister Kate ran away from home, to hide in Taronga Zoo, after their uncle slipped on a roller skate and knpcked himself unconscious.

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12 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Were you aware that Catch Kandy and his sister Kate ran away from home, to hide in Taronga Zoo, after their uncle slipped on a roller skate and knpcked himself unconscious.

 

Are you aware that I am still waiting for you and others to post man-made evidence that refutes my extraterrestrial claim? Could the reason be that General Arthur E. Exon, former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB,  has confirmed that alien bodies and wreckage were recovered and examined at his base? Yes indeed!!

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3 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

 

Are you aware that I am still waiting for you and others to post man-made evidence that refutes my extraterrestrial claim? Could the reason be that General Arthur E. Exon, former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB,  has confirmed that alien bodies and wreckage were recovered and examined at his base? Yes indeed!!

Where's General Exon?

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24 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Where's General Exon?

Like most of which he references, long dead. Deceased 2005.

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8 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Like most of which he references, long dead. Deceased 2005.

And I suppose no memoirs, just hearsay from woo sites?

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3 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

And I suppose no memoirs, just hearsay from woo sites?

Maybe a deathbed confessional or some such. Who knows. 

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6 hours ago, Trelane said:

Like most of which he references, long dead. Deceased 2005.

Which reminds me of a supposed quote of Benjamin Franklin:  Three men can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.

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On 6/18/2023 at 7:28 PM, skyeagle409 said:

Just to let you know that what Grush is asserting is what military and intelligence officials have been saying for decades, including a former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB. 

Christians have been saying Jesus is coming back...for over two thousand years.  Again, what people say or believe is meaningless.  Give me a damn alien body or an alien space ship and I'll say, Daaaaaaaaaaaaang SkyEagle...you sure nuff wuz rite!

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8 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Where's General Exon?

He is no longer around, but remember, he was the Air Force officer who overflew the Roswell area and confirmed two crash sites.

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1 hour ago, joc said:

Christians have been saying Jesus is coming back...for over two thousand years.  Again, what people say or believe is meaningless.  Give me a damn alien body or an alien space ship and I'll say, Daaaaaaaaaaaaang SkyEagle...you sure nuff wuz rite!

UAPs are already here and have been for centuries.

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4 hours ago, Trelane said:

Maybe a deathbed confessional or some such. Who knows. 

Well, we can learn a bit more about General Arthur E. Exon, the Air Force officer who stated that alien bodies and wreckage were recovered near Roswell. General Arthur E. Exon has said:  "....the overall consensus was that the pieces were from space.  Everyone from the White House on down knew that what we had found was not of this world within 24 hours of our finding it. "

 

General Arthur E. Exon

BRIGADIER GENERAL ARTHUR ERNEST EXON > Air Force > Biography Display (af.mil)

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On 6/17/2023 at 5:29 PM, skyeagle409 said:

..... They are just covering up the fact that alien bodies and their craft have been recovered. 

 

Exactly ...   Keeping this from a wider array of scientists hurts everyone on the planet. Who knows where we might be, in terms of our energy science if the U.S. military wasn't violating our freedom to know.

Our younger soldiers don't buy into the notion of a relative handful of old farts trying to keep everything to themselves. 

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