[Merged] Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

[skyeagle409]

On 6/5/2023 at 6:05 PM, Raptor Witness said:

This is likely partly what President Eisenhower was concerned about in his farewell address.

This whistleblower is a true gem.

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

 

And they just keep right on coming forward.

US government ‘hiding evidence of UFOs’, congressman warns

A US congressman has said he believes a whistleblower who last month alleged the government had evidence of alien spacecraft and was covering it up. Republican Tim Burchett, representative for Tennessee’s second district, told the Washington Examiner he thinks the government has been ‘holding stuff back since Roswell in ‘47, and maybe prior to that’.

US 'hiding evidence of UFOs', congressman warns | Tech News | Metro News

[esoteric_toad]

On 6/27/2023 at 6:48 PM, Raptor Witness said:

Senator Rubio confirms the truth … and asks for the motive to lie about this.

At the 1:45 minute mark:

 

Rubio is just saying stuff to get on the news. It is what politicians have done as long as they have existed. It is what they do when they are doing nothing useful (which is a disturbingly large amount of the time).

[Trelane]

Assuming that a species could figure out how to defy the laws of physics in order to travel the cosmos is one thing. Then add in that they presumably have been able to account for and mitigate all the hazards known to exist for craft travelling the interstellar medium. Then after all that they just can't quite figure out re-entry and landing technology? That's absolutely absurd to argue that they couldn't. That would likely have been an aspect of travel that would be figured out long millenia prior to traversing the galaxy/universe. Give me a break,

 

[skyeagle409]

9 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Assuming that a species could figure out how to defy the laws of physics in order to travel the cosmos is one thing. Then add in that they presumably have been able to account for and mitigate all the hazards known to exist for craft travelling the interstellar medium. Then after all that they just can't quite figure out re-entry and landing technology? That's absolutely absurd to argue that they couldn't. That would likely have been an aspect of travel that would be figured out long millenia prior to traversing the galaxy/universe. Give me a break,

 

I would think that it is logical that alien beings with the knowledge to know how to conduct right-angles maneuvers and zoom at hypersonic speeds within Earth's atmosphere without creating a sonic boom would have no real problem.

[Doc Socks Junior]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

Assuming that a species could figure out how to defy the laws of physics in order to travel the cosmos is one thing. Then add in that they presumably have been able to account for and mitigate all the hazards known to exist for craft travelling the interstellar medium. Then after all that they just can't quite figure out re-entry and landing technology? That's absolutely absurd to argue that they couldn't. That would likely have been an aspect of travel that would be figured out long millenia prior to traversing the galaxy/universe. Give me a break,

 

Ah, the argument from incredulity. It's good.

The problem is, besides the obvious fallacy, is that you're setting up a strawman. I would have no doubt that any species in such a position would be able to "figure out" such things. We have figured it out for airplanes and space shuttles. And yet...we still crash them. Weird, that.

And sure, you can definitely say the technology is magical and perfect, and we don't understand it, ad infinitum. However, I believe thinking about space shuttle scrubs per mission vs airplane scrubs per flight will get across the nature of high technology.

[Raptor Witness]

13 hours ago, Essan said:

... All these alien spacecraft that keep crashing on Earth in conveniently remote locations for the US military to find ...

This is patently false, as there are several I can think of, like the Kecksburg UFO crash incident, which was observed by the general public.

Please try to research your material, first ... so you have some hope of credibility here.

[Raptor Witness]

2 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

 

And they just keep right on coming forward.

US government ‘hiding evidence of UFOs’, congressman warns

A US congressman has said he believes a whistleblower who last month alleged the government had evidence of alien spacecraft and was covering it up. Republican Tim Burchett, representative for Tennessee’s second district, told the Washington Examiner he thinks the government has been ‘holding stuff back since Roswell in ‘47, and maybe prior to that’.

US 'hiding evidence of UFOs', congressman warns | Tech News | Metro News

The Petagram can't kill all the witnesses, without exposing the very thing they are trying to conceal. Worse, now they have zero credibility with anyone who can think for themselves.

[skyeagle409]

6 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

The Petagram can't kill all the witnesses, without exposing the very thing they are trying to conceal. Worse, now they have zero credibility with anyone who can think for themselves.

 You've got that right!! The Air Force duped those who allowed themselves to be duped. One of the reasons why I brought the Roswell Incident is to expose just how silly the military's coverup campaign has been. The military knew that what it recovered was extraterrestrial and that no balloon of any type was responsible for the Roswell Incident and nothing to do with Project Mogul.

Photos of Project Mogul balloon launches, and their missions were published in newspapers around the country and in some cases, Project Mogul balloons were recovered by civilians for rewards, which meant those balloons were not classified at all. In fact, even the head of Project Mogul had reported that he tracked a flying saucer. And it didn't end there because the Air Force duped the same folks once again with its 1997 Roswell Report. The Air Force never hinted in its 1994 report that evidence of the Soviet's first nuclear blast was discovered on special filters carried aloft on a modified aircraft, not a Project Mogul balloon train.

One would think that after 3 coverup strikeouts, they would have gotten the hint the Air Force was taking them for a ride.

 

 

Edited July 7 by skyeagle409

[Essan]

6 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

This is patently false, as there are several I can think of, like the Kecksburg UFO crash incident, which was observed by the general public.

Please try to research your material, first ... so you have some hope of credibility here.

I wasn't counting meteorites     I meant large, physically identifiable, aircraft, clearly of non human origin.  Preferably with hundreds of photos taken by dozens of different witnesses

 

[Essan]

8 hours ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

Ah, the argument from incredulity. It's good.

The problem is, besides the obvious fallacy, is that you're setting up a strawman. I would have no doubt that any species in such a position would be able to "figure out" such things. We have figured it out for airplanes and space shuttles. And yet...we still crash them. Weird, that.

And sure, you can definitely say the technology is magical and perfect, and we don't understand it, ad infinitum. However, I believe thinking about space shuttle scrubs per mission vs airplane scrubs per flight will get across the nature of high technology.

Yes, our aircraft crash.   

But how many aircraft do we have flying around every day that don't crash?

If our alien overlords were as capable of flying their aircraft without crashing as we are, we must assume there are maybe 10,000 such aircraft flying around the plent this very minute.

The percentage of crashes for alien aircraft is much MUCH higher than for human engineered ones.   Assuming all the stories are true   

[Doc Socks Junior]

6 hours ago, Essan said:

Yes, our aircraft crash.   

But how many aircraft do we have flying around every day that don't crash?

That's a good point. Lots! Again, aircraft may not the best analogy. A relatively simple technology, as discussed.

6 hours ago, Essan said:

If our alien overlords were as capable of flying their aircraft without crashing as we are, we must assume there are maybe 10,000 such aircraft flying around the plent this very minute.

The percentage of crashes for alien aircraft is much MUCH higher than for human engineered ones.   Assuming all the stories are true   

It does tend to imply a lot of alien aircraft around the planet...which doesn't on face value make a lot of sense. How many persistent alien crash stories do we have? Can assume most are BS. If that is the case, it doesn't also necessarily imply the crash percentage is higher. Again, maybe the space shuttle is a better analogy. But even that would seem to be way too high. 

Of course, it is possible that the tech curve goes from 'crash a lot' to 'never crash' as technology gets high enough, and that is certainly possible.

Simplest explanation certainly is that there's not little green men whizzing around crashing on Earth. But I don't think "aliens never crash" is a sound logical argument against that.

[Trelane]

On 7/6/2023 at 7:21 PM, Doc Socks Junior said:

Ah, the argument from incredulity. It's good.

The problem is, besides the obvious fallacy, is that you're setting up a strawman. I would have no doubt that any species in such a position would be able to "figure out" such things. We have figured it out for airplanes and space shuttles. And yet...we still crash them. Weird, that.

And sure, you can definitely say the technology is magical and perfect, and we don't understand it, ad infinitum. However, I believe thinking about space shuttle scrubs per mission vs airplane scrubs per flight will get across the nature of high technology.

I feel the argument of incredulity is more than warranted when analyzing the make believe and fantastical. Don't you? Or do you find logic in drawing comparisons from known items/technology to items that are unknown or made up? Either way I do see what you mean. It's just all rather silly when you think about it reasonably.

[Raptor Witness]

On 7/7/2023 at 3:29 AM, Essan said:

Preferably with hundreds of photos taken by dozens of different witnesses

You mean, before they’re hauled off by the liars?

You can’t be that naïve, and have any degree of credibility here. In fact, “naïve” really isn’t the correct word, is it?

Edited July 9 by Raptor Witness

[Raptor Witness]

Interesting…

My guess is, there are likely aliens living here now, disguised as human.

It should be fairly easy to do. They must be detected and destroyed, but not by old fashioned means. There should be DNA evidence of this, is my other guess.

Edited July 28 by Raptor Witness

[Raptor Witness]

I wonder … what is the Pentagon, really worried about, with this?

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

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Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

Yeah...setting up for a great deception: 'disclosure.' Alien ideology pushing for years, in movies, among psychics, etc. They supposedly are to come with intelligence, instructing mankind on its 'true' origins, or 'greater truths. Deceiving spirits and doctrines of devils. They are not what they appear to be and some may even be evil spirits in disguise. 

[skyeagle409]

23 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

I wonder … what is the Pentagon, really worried about, with this?

 

Perhaps, they realize they cannot defend against extraterrestrials should they become hostile and I very sure the Air Force remembers what happened to a Cuban MiG-21 as it attempted to fire on a UFO. We can take a look here as to what occurred.

The 1967 Cuban Jet Incident
NE of Cuba
March 1967

The jets were guided to within five kilometers (three miles) of the UFO by Cuban ground control intercept radar personnel. The flight leader radioed that the object was a bright metallic sphere with no visible markings or appendages. When a try at radio contact failed, Cuban air defense headquarters ordered the flight leader to arm his weapons and destroy the object. The leader reported his radar was locked onto the bogey and his missiles were armed. Seconds later, the wingman screamed to the ground controller that his leader's jet had exploded. When he gained his composure, the wing man radioed there was no smoke or flame, that his leader's MIG-21 had disintegrated. Cuban radar then reported the UFO quickly accelerated and climbed above 30,000 meters (98,000 feet). At last report, it was heading south-southeast towards South America. 

An Intelligence Spot Report was sent to NSA headquarters, since AFSS and its units are under NSA operational control. Such reports are standard practice in cases of aircraft losses by hostile nations. NSA is required to acknowledge receipt of such reports. But the 6947th's Detachment "A" did not get one; so, it sent a follow-up report. 

 

I might add that certain records on this incident remain classified.

 

Edited July 30 by skyeagle409

[openozy]

7 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Yeah...setting up for a great deception: 'disclosure.' Alien ideology pushing for years, in movies, among psychics, etc. They supposedly are to come with intelligence, instructing mankind on its 'true' origins, or 'greater truths. Deceiving spirits and doctrines of devils. They are not what they appear to be and some may even be evil spirits in disguise. 

I doubt anything in the universe is as evil as mankind with it's brain warping, trouble making religions. If there are aliens I'm sure they have risen far above that.

[Raptor Witness]

15 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

…. I might add that certain records on this incident remain classified.

The technology cannot be the reason for the top secret bs, not that old.

The intelligence community is pure evil, to keep this from U.S. They are traitors to their oath and the Constitution.

[Dejarma]

37 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

The intelligence community is pure evil, to keep this from U.S. They are traitors to their oath and the Constitution.

they are not keeping anything from you.. it's all BS, so rest easy ol' chap

[skyeagle409]

1 hour ago, Raptor Witness said:

The technology cannot be the reason for the top secret bs, not that old.

Absolutely!! UFOs were tracked at hypersonic speeds over Washington D. C. in 1952, so I find it extremely difficult to believe the Air Force would have been conducting classified operations of its classified hypersonic flying machines over our nation's capital in 1952 or even over the Gulf of New Mexico.

Gulf of Mexico UFO Encounter

On December 6, 1952 the crew (three men) of a USAF B-29 was flying over the Gulf of Mexico just before dawn when several unidentified targets appeared on the bomber radar's scopes. The targets maneuvered around the bomber at speeds at 5240 mph. The crew members had visual contact with the objects as they streaked past their aircraft. After several minutes of maneuvering around the B-29, the five objects, still moving over 5000 mph, merged with a larger object which appeared on radar as a huge blip and began to accelerate and flashed across the three radar scopes at a speed computed to be over 9000 mph.

 

What man-made aircraft in 1952 was capable of hypersonic flight and not create a sonic boom? Why is supersonic flight over the United States prohibited without authorization? Could it be that mankind still hasn't solved the problem of eliminating sonic booms?

 

Existing Supersonic Over Land Restrictions

"Considerations of the impact of sonic booms from supersonic flight preceded the development of the Concorde aircraft. The Aircraft Noise Abatement Act of 1968 directed the FAA, after consultation with the DOT, to “prescribe and amend standards for the measurement of aircraft noise and sonic boom,” and, “… such rules and regulations as the (administrator of the FAA) may find necessary to provide for the control and abatement of aircraft noise and sonic boom.” In 1970, acting under this authority, the FAA proposed a regulation that would restrict operation of civil aircraft at speeds greater than Mach 1, unless authorized by the FAA". 

 

Perhaps regulation 14 CFR Part 91.817 can answer that question.

 

14 CFR § 91.817 - Civil aircraft sonic boom

(a)  No person may operate a civil aircraft in the United States at a true flight Mach number greater than 1 except in compliance with conditions and limitations in an authorization to exceed Mach 1 issued to the operator in accordance with § 91.818.

(b)  In addition, no person may operate a civil aircraft for which the maximum operating limit speed MM0 exceeds a Mach number of 1, to or from an airport in the United States, unless—

(1)  Information available to the flight crew includes flight limitations that ensure that flights entering or leaving the United States will not cause a sonic boom to reach the surface within the United States; and

(2)  The operator complies with the flight limitations prescribed in paragraph (b)(1) of this section or complies with conditions and limitations in an authorization to exceed Mach 1 issued in accordance with § 91.818.

 

To sum it up, UFOs that have been tracked exceeding the speed-of-sound by airborne and ground-based radars and other sensors without creating sonic booms cannot be attributed to man-made aircraft by the very fact.

 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 6/17/2023 at 5:29 PM, skyeagle409 said:

the fact that Project Mogul balloon records proved there was no such thing as Project Mogul balloon #4.

That would be correct. "weather balloon" worked for years until the wife of the man in charge went through his work notes long after he died. It was scrubbed.
So now, the Air Force did another investigation - The Roswell Report: Fact vs. Fiction in the New Mexico Desert in 1995. In that version of coverup, the said that it was a spy balloon.

Back in the saddle again!! lol

[Grim Reaper 6]

11 hours ago, openozy said:

I doubt anything in the universe is as evil as mankind with it's brain warping, trouble making religions. If there are aliens I'm sure they have risen far above that.

Let’s hope so!

[Grim Reaper 6]

19 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Yeah...setting up for a great deception: 'disclosure.' Alien ideology pushing for years, in movies, among psychics, etc. They supposedly are to come with intelligence, instructing mankind on its 'true' origins, or 'greater truths. Deceiving spirits and doctrines of devils. They are not what they appear to be and some may even be evil spirits in disguise. 

Mankind, may just be another source food and so they hit the jackpot!

 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 6/20/2023 at 2:08 AM, Raptor Witness said:

I want to seel how they are bending space-time, to see if we can save ourselves by possibly turning back the clock on any part of our lives that we want.

First proposed by Einstein/Rosin, the fabric of space time can be bent and that has been verified. Scientists accept worm holes as fact.