Seven shot, two killed, at Virginia high school graduation

[Eldorado]

The shooting outside the Atria Theater sent students in graduation gowns running for safety, US media reports.

School officials say the shooting took place during a ceremony for the Huguenot High School.

Another graduation scheduled for Tuesday was postponed and all classes cancelled for Wednesday.

The victims killed were an 18-year-old man who was part of the graduating class and his 36-year-old father, police say. Police have not yet released their identities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65829241

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/06/us/richmond-shooting-virginia/index.html

Edited June 7, 2023 by Eldorado

[+susieice]

A 19 yr old is in custody. Another person who had been arrested with a gun in their possession has been released. They were not involved with the shooting.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/2-dead-5-injured-after-shooting-following-high-school-graduation/ar-AA1cdrck

The two victims who passed away, an 18-year-old who was a graduating student and a 36-year-old man who was attending the event, suffered life-threatening injuries, police said.

Those who have non-life-threatening injures are 14, 32, 55 and 58 years old, and a 31-year-old remains hospitalized with a life-threatening injury, police said.

Six others were injured in the aftermath of the shooting, including two who fell, one who was hit by a car, and three who were treated for anxiety, police said. A 9-year-old was hit by a car and is currently hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries, police later said.

[Doug1066]

I'm getting tired of these MAGA conventions.

Doug

[+and-then]

Father and son that were killed.

Apparently they knew the shooter.

[Edumakated]

38 minutes ago, and-then said:

Father and son that were killed.

Apparently they knew the shooter.

The kid was a wannabe "drill rapper" going by OTG Shawn.   Sounds like his gang opps saw an opportunity and took it.  Highly doubt he graduated with honors.  Sad but this wasn't a Parkland type of shooting.

 

[lightly]

Insanity.

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, Edumakated said:

The kid was a wannabe "drill rapper" going by OTG Shawn.   Sounds like his gang opps saw an opportunity and took it.  Highly doubt he graduated with honors.  Sad but this wasn't a Parkland type of shooting.

Ah, that is a relief.  In other words, he and his dad deserved it.

[Edumakated]

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

Ah, that is a relief.  In other words, he and his dad deserved it.

It provides additional context to the story.  Just pointing out this was likely not a random shooting.  I suspect the kid was heavy in the streets, so yes... it may have been "get back" for something he did.

[Michelle]

6 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

I'm getting tired of these MAGA conventions.

Doug

Yeah, those MAGA people should all go to hell.

Virginia high school graduation shooting suspect arraigned, father and son identified by family as victims

Amari Ty-Jon Pollard, 19, arraigned for murder of Huguenot High School graduate, stepfather in Richmond

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-high-school-graduation-shooting-suspect-arraigned-father-son-identified-family-victims

[Doug1066]

9 minutes ago, Michelle said:

MAGA people should all go to hell.

I didn't have anything so dramatic in mind.  Just that conservatives are the main obstacle to passing reasonable gun control measures.

Serbia just had two mass shootings resulting in 17 people dead.  Their solution:  turn over all guns and ammunition or else.  I don't think we need that here, but...

If conservatives get their wish to take over the country and convert it to a dictatorship, they along with the rest of us, will lose all the rights we hold dear, including the right to bear arms.  They have already nearly destroyed a woman's right to an abortion.  In the schools they are seeking to suppress the First Amendment.  Police can already seize our property based only on suspicion, in violation of the 4th Amendment.  Creeping authoritarianism is a threat to us all, liberal AND conservative.

Doug

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Doug1066

[Michelle]

You just can't stay on topic can you? It's all Trump and MAGA and then a bunch off topic rantings.

[Myles]

25 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

I didn't have anything so dramatic in mind.  Just that conservatives are the main obstacle to passing reasonable gun control measures.

Serbia just had two mass shootings resulting in 17 people dead.  Their solution:  turn over all guns and ammunition or else.  I don't think we need that here, but...

If conservatives get their wish to take over the country and convert it to a dictatorship, they along with the rest of us, will lose all the rights we hold dear, including the right to bear arms.  They have already nearly destroyed a woman's right to an abortion.  In the schools they are seeking to suppress the First Amendment.  Police can already seize our property based only on suspicion, in violation of the 4th Amendment.  Creeping authoritarianism is a threat to us all, liberal AND conservative.

Doug

 

It is the Cemocrats who are making the country a dictatorship and taking rights away.

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, Edumakated said:

It provides additional context to the story.  Just pointing out this was likely not a random shooting.  I suspect the kid was heavy in the streets, so yes... it may have been "get back" for something he did.

Thanks for that, it is good to know.  So this falls in a separate category from all of the mall, school, and church shooters who seem to be more random in their targets. Got any idea how much of our gun violence is among people who know each other?  

[+Desertrat56]

55 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

I didn't have anything so dramatic in mind.  Just that conservatives are the main obstacle to passing reasonable gun control measures.

Serbia just had two mass shootings resulting in 17 people dead.  Their solution:  turn over all guns and ammunition or else.  I don't think we need that here, but...

If conservatives get their wish to take over the country and convert it to a dictatorship, they along with the rest of us, will lose all the rights we hold dear, including the right to bear arms.  They have already nearly destroyed a woman's right to an abortion.  In the schools they are seeking to suppress the First Amendment.  Police can already seize our property based only on suspicion, in violation of the 4th Amendment.  Creeping authoritarianism is a threat to us all, liberal AND conservative.

Doug

 

How about we enfoce the existing laws and see if that makes a difference before creating more laws?   it isn't about gun control, it is about mental health.   Maybe we could tax the gun makers and sellers a little extra and actually have federal mental health care, if you think owning guns are the problem.

[Doug1066]

33 minutes ago, Myles said:

It is the Cemocrats who are making the country a dictatorship and taking rights away.

So which rights have they taken away?

Doug

[Doug1066]

4 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

How about we enfoce the existing laws and see if that makes a difference before creating more laws?   it isn't about gun control, it is about mental health.   Maybe we could tax the gun makers and sellers a little extra and actually have federal mental health care, if you think owning guns are the problem.

That would probably reduce mass shootings a little bit.  But there's always somebody who fell through the cracks.

Guns are just too easy to get.  Someone in a fit of rage picks up a gun and shoots his wife.  He's instantly sorry he did it, but he can't bring her back.

In Colorado we had one hunter shoot another one over who got to sit next to the door.  Maybe a provision against drinking and having an accessible firearm?

So which laws that are now on the books do you want to see enforced?

Doug

[Edumakated]

39 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Thanks for that, it is good to know.  So this falls in a separate category from all of the mall, school, and church shooters who seem to be more random in their targets. Got any idea how much of our gun violence is among people who know each other?  

The vast majority of homicides involve people who know each other.  I don't know an exact percentage, but I'd peg it north of 90% if I had to guess.   It is pretty rare to be murked by someone randomly.

 

[+Desertrat56]

11 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

That would probably reduce mass shootings a little bit.  But there's always somebody who fell through the cracks.

Guns are just too easy to get.  Someone in a fit of rage picks up a gun and shoots his wife.  He's instantly sorry he did it, but he can't bring her back.

In Colorado we had one hunter shoot another one over who got to sit next to the door.  Maybe a provision against drinking and having an accessible firearm?

So which laws that are now on the books do you want to see enforced?

Doug

Children under 18 being able to buy guns, and automatic weapons that are banned still in circulation; felons that can still get guns is the one law that we have no control over, there will always be people who disregard the law.   We should not be punished by those.   But if it is easy to get a gun from a website by a 15 year old, there is a loop hole that needs to be stitched up.   We have no control over parents giving their kids access to guns, but those parents can be held responsible/accountable if their child shoots someone.   That is another loop hole that needs to be stiched up.  In the 90's my mother was on a jury that had to decide if a 13 year old would be found guilty of murder, and his mother was no where to be seen, AND all the witnesses stated that the mother had been absent often since the kid was 6.   Why wasn't someone holding her accountable?

People fall through the cracks because the cracks are so wide they can put highways in them.  If we had better mental health care those cracks would be real cracks, not highways.   And I am not talking about an angry man shooting a friend or wife over something stupid, I am talking about the actual OP subject of mass shootings.   I knew a child that was murdered with a screw driver by his dad, so angry idiots are going to kill people no matter what.   There will always be that kind of thing going on because of "the cracks" but mass shootings could be minimized if there were not so many loop holes in the current laws AND better mental health care and identification of people who need it.   You can't fix something by adding more laws if the current ones are not being upheld.

Edited June 7, 2023 by Desertrat56

[Doug1066]

9 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I knew a child that was murdered with a screw driver by his dad,

Guns automate the killing process.  Screw drivers don't.  Machine guns are the worst - they DO need to be outlawed.  Turn them in, or else...

Doug

[+Desertrat56]

36 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

Guns automate the killing process.  Screw drivers don't.  Machine guns are the worst - they DO need to be outlawed.  Turn them in, or else...

Doug

And they ARE restricted (you are right, not prohibited) but are Not easy to come by legally.   AND they are not what has been used in the mass shootings that we are discussing.   Unlike television, people are not running around with machine guns shooting buildings up.  It doesn't help that the police are being armed with miltiary weapons.  They are not fighting a war, that is not their job description so they should be armed appropriately, night stick, taser and maybe a hand gun.   So why are you even bringing machine guns into the conversation?   

[Edumakated]

31 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

And they ARE restricted (you are right, not prohibited) but are Not easy to come by legally.   AND they are not what has been used in the mass shootings that we are discussing.   Unlike television, people are not running around with machine guns shooting buildings up.  It doesn't help that the police are being armed with miltiary weapons.  They are not fighting a war, that is not their job description so they should be armed appropriately, night stick, taser and maybe a hand gun.   So why are you even bringing machine guns into the conversation?   

Most people don't know that machine guns have been restricted since like 1934.  Since AR type rifles look like machine guns, people assume they are....  

Typical gun grabber doesn't know semi-auto is not a machine gun and the guns fire no faster than any other firearm.  

In fairness though, in ghetto neighborhoods, thugs are using illegal "switches" on pistols to basically make them fire like a machine gun.  

[+and-then]

8 hours ago, Edumakated said:

Sad but this wasn't a Parkland type of shooting.

That's the case with all but the very rare "mass shootings".  The thing is, those who hawk gun control or who simply have a fascination with thinking Americans are near-insane because of our traditions around firearms, hardly ever miss a chance to remind us that people die from our guns.  It seems to me that it's like a reminder that we all have some kind of shared guilt for such crimes even though the VAST majority of us have never even drawn a gun in anger, let alone killed a stranger intentionally.  Frankly... it gets old.

[Myles]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

That's the case with all but the very rare "mass shootings".  The thing is, those who hawk gun control or who simply have a fascination with thinking Americans are near-insane because of our traditions around firearms, hardly ever miss a chance to remind us that people die from our guns.  It seems to me that it's like a reminder that we all have some kind of shared guilt for such crimes even though the VAST majority of us have never even drawn a gun in anger, let alone killed a stranger intentionally.  Frankly... it gets old.

No one has ever been harmed by my guns or the guns of any of my friends or family.

[Golden Duck]

45 minutes ago, Myles said:

No one has ever been harmed by my guns or the guns of any of my friends or family.

[Doug1066]

15 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

So why are you even bringing machine guns into the conversation?   

AK-47, AR-15.

OK.  So they're sub-machine guns.  Still don't belong on the streets.

Doug