US House of Representatives to hold hearing on whistleblower's UFO claims

[UM-Bot]

Government officials will look more closely at claims of 'non-human vehicles' by whistleblower David Charles Grusch.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/367582/us-house-of-representatives-to-hold-hearing-on-whistleblowers-ufo-claims

[Trelane]

I'll be interested if anything comes of this. If not, this guy needs to be held accountable for wasting government time and resources. I personally think items he may have been told about are special access /classified programs and that a breach in security will likely be the ultimate story here.

All of it still seems "off" to me, and that is from perspective in my current position. Interestingly the DoD allegedly has conducted an investigation but no other complainants have been identified by number (of course keeping them anonymous unless they waive that)? This is the only guy making this claim?

I will make this statement, if there are in fact tangible pieces of evidence/proof revealed that corroborates his claims I'll be the first one to admit I'm wrong here. I will also be the first to state "told you so" if it blows up under testimony.

 

[Hawken]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

I'll be interested if anything comes of this. If not, this guy needs to be held accountable for wasting government time and resources. I personally think items he may have been told about are special access /classified programs and that a breach in security will likely be the ultimate story here.

All of it still seems "off" to me, and that is from perspective in my current position. Interestingly the DoD allegedly has conducted an investigation but no other complainants have been identified by number (of course keeping them anonymous unless they waive that)? This is the only guy making this claim?

I will make this statement, if there are in fact tangible pieces of evidence/proof revealed that corroborates his claims I'll be the first one to admit I'm wrong here. I will also be the first to state "told you so" if it blows up under testimony.

 

Are you stocked up on toilet paper in case it's true? 

[Nicolette]

3 hours ago, Trelane said:

I'll be interested if anything comes of this. If not, this guy needs to be held accountable for wasting government time and resources. I personally think items he may have been told about are special access /classified programs and that a breach in security will likely be the ultimate story here.

All of it still seems "off" to me, and that is from perspective in my current position. Interestingly the DoD allegedly has conducted an investigation but no other complainants have been identified by number (of course keeping them anonymous unless they waive that)? This is the only guy making this claim?

I will make this statement, if there are in fact tangible pieces of evidence/proof revealed that corroborates his claims I'll be the first one to admit I'm wrong here. I will also be the first to state "told you so" if it blows up under testimony.

 

The only guy making this claim?  thats pretty farfetched considering everyone knows about roswell, and about the craft just shot down that were "never recovered"... How naive do you have to be to believe they spent millions shooting things down and werent able to pick up the pieces? Aside from that the nsa investigated and caught the cia "stonewalling". Actively covering up what was recovered at roswell. I get these things arent publicized as they should be but anyone paying attention wouldnt pretend this is a new claim... I mean whether true or not its common knowledge. Area 51? If you take a look, google maps has literally labelled site s4 ( alleged location of reverse engineered craft) along with the landing pad and hangar doors.

While they aren't talking about the vehicles or the well known storyline that televisions, touchscreens, and even aluminum foil are reverse engineered technologies, it should be noted that contrary to the consensus the cia actually stated the amount of credible pilot encounters too overwhelming to dismiss and determined the craft to be extraterrestrial In 1952! https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp81r00560r000100010002-9

Edited June 8, 2023 by Nicolette

[Phantom309]

13 minutes ago, Nicolette said:

The only guy making this claim?  thats pretty farfetched considering everyone knows about roswell, and about the craft just shot down that were "never recovered"... How naive do you have to be to believe they spent millions shooting things down and werent able to pick up the pieces? Aside from that the nsa investigated and caught the cia "stonewalling". Actively covering up what was recovered at roswell. I get these things arent publicized as they should be but anyone paying attention wouldnt pretend this is a new claim... I mean whether true or not its common knowledge. Area 51? If you take a look, google maps has literally labelled site s4 ( alleged location of reverse engineered craft) along with the landing pad and hangar doors.

This guy is pretty dense, I've had him on ignore for quite a while now. I only see his ramblings if someone quotes him as you did.

Ross Coulhart (and others) have assured us there are more witnesses about to come forward. There are a lot of moving pieces with this whole story - some within the DOD want this deep secret fully brought forth, others within the DOD don't. The whole thing is highly political with silos and territory to protect, which faction finally wins out only time will tell. A concern I have right now is that the big media operations ( CBS, NBC, NYT etc) don't seem to be behind this, I beleive the only thing that will perk their interest is a smoking gun to show their viewers/readers...that would grab their attention. Currently, its just the on line media guys who are running with it. 

And yes, it's quite telling those 3 craft that were shot down this past winter, a complete wall of silence surrounds those activities. Now what they actually were, perhaps of domestic origins, or something else, I have no idea - but they are all part of the many "moving parts" we are dealing with.

[Nicolette]

18 minutes ago, Phantom309 said:

This guy is pretty dense, I've had him on ignore for quite a while now. I only see his ramblings if someone quotes him as you did.

Ross Coulhart (and others) have assured us there are more witnesses about to come forward. There are a lot of moving pieces with this whole story - some within the DOD want this deep secret fully brought forth, others within the DOD don't. The whole thing is highly political with silos and territory to protect, which faction finally wins out only time will tell. A concern I have right now is that the big media operations ( CBS, NBC, NYT etc) don't seem to be behind this, I beleive the only thing that will perk their interest is a smoking gun to show their viewers/readers...that would grab their attention. Currently, its just the on line media guys who are running with it. 

And yes, it's quite telling those 3 craft that were shot down this past winter, a complete wall of silence surrounds those activities. Now what they actually were, perhaps of domestic origins, or something else, I have no idea - but they are all part of the many "moving parts" we are dealing with.

Thank you and i would like to believe that 1 was the missing pico balloon as stated but the silence and that storyline was a little unbelievable. Spending millions on the missiles alone is a big big leap that i dont see being taken had these been balloons blowing around. Hell they could have claimed they were balloons and it would have lent more credibility than the storyline jumping from "we shot down ufos" to "the reconnaissance team is going in to recover the debris" to " we recovered nothing" and then total silence.... Its sad how the general public has no curiosity whatsoever unless the tv tells them to. It must be incredibly easy to hide information with the stigma thats been built around it.

Edited June 8, 2023 by Nicolette

[Cho Jinn]

At some point, skepticism becomes narcissism, and those narcissists are obvious.

[Phantom309]

From Twitter this morning, more intriguing information:

 

[Tom1200]

4 hours ago, Nicolette said:

While they aren't talking about the vehicles or the well known storyline that televisions, touchscreens, and even aluminum foil are reverse engineered technologies, it should be noted that contrary to the consensus the cia actually stated the amount of credible pilot encounters too overwhelming to dismiss and determined the craft to be extraterrestrial In 1952! https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp81r00560r000100010002-9

Hi Nicolette.  I'm generally a cynic and a skeptic, chiefly because I'm into science which means big claims need big evidence.

Having said that - I'm not closed to the idea that there's more out there than people are letting on.  Personally I would always look for a terrestrial explanation in preference of aliens, but it's not illogical to speculate about potentially extraterrestrial origins.

All that as way of not putting your back up! before asking about the paragraph I've quoted above:

What exactly do you mean by saying "televisions, touchscreens, and even aluminum foil are reverse engineered technologies"?  I'm pretty sure I haven't seen such a claim on these pages before, but feel free to simply refer me to another thread if it's already been discussed.

Next I would be dubious about reading too much into what the CIA might have concluded in 1952.  Thanks for the link - I'm genuinely trying to work my way through it but it's not exactly well-written - but are all these anecdotes from just after the war really credible evidence? 

A few hundred years earlier many people were happy to report seeing witches flying round on broomsticks and sacrificing babies to Satan, but that wasn't actually happening.  Perhaps a few odd events, compounded by contemporary beliefs and ignorance, convinced many that witches were real. 

Maybe it was much the same in the 1950s as sci-fi films captured the public imagination; and perhaps the occasional odd and classified tech crashed to Earth?  It's easy to see how easily stories could be inflated and conflated. 

It's now 70 years on and still no genuine, credible, non-anecdotal evidence.  No films, no photos, no artifacts, no alien bits or blood to analyse, no advanced retro-engineered tech, no sensible explanation for why 'UFOs' are covered in silly lights and hang around US military bases just out of camera shot.  I think it's reasonable to suggest that maybe the investigators of the 1950s got it wrong?

[skyeagle409]

8 hours ago, Trelane said:

I'll be interested if anything comes of this. If not, this guy needs to be held accountable for wasting government time and resources. I personally think items he may have been told about are special access /classified programs and that a breach in security will likely be the ultimate story here.

All of it still seems "off" to me, and that is from perspective in my current position. Interestingly the DoD allegedly has conducted an investigation but no other complainants have been identified by number (of course keeping them anonymous unless they waive that)? This is the only guy making this claim?

I will make this statement, if there are in fact tangible pieces of evidence/proof revealed that corroborates his claims I'll be the first one to admit I'm wrong here. I will also be the first to state "told you so" if it blows up under testimony.

 

 

Are you aware of former President Ronald Reagan's UFO encounter over California? The following video will reveal that in March 1981, then President Ronald Reagan was made aware by CIA director Willian Casey during a meeting, which was also attended by analysts from the CIA, NSA, and DIA, that there was an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.

 

 

[+Desertrat56]

3 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

 

Are you aware of former President Ronald Reagan's UFO encounter over California? The following video will reveal that in March 1981, then President Ronald Reagan was made aware by CIA director Willian Casey during a meeting, which was also attended by analysts from the CIA, NSA, and DIA, that there was an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.

 

 

I haven't watched the video yet, your comment is funny.   Did he see a UFO or was he made aware of an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth?

[skyeagle409]

1 hour ago, Tom1200 said:

Hi Nicolette.  I'm generally a cynic and a skeptic, chiefly because I'm into science which means big claims need big evidence.

Having said that - I'm not closed to the idea that there's more out there than people are letting on.  Personally I would always look for a terrestrial explanation in preference of aliens, but it's not illogical to speculate about potentially extraterrestrial origins.

All that as way of not putting your back up! before asking about the paragraph I've quoted above:

What exactly do you mean by saying "televisions, touchscreens, and even aluminum foil are reverse engineered technologies"?  I'm pretty sure I haven't seen such a claim on these pages before, but feel free to simply refer me to another thread if it's already been discussed.

Next I would be dubious about reading too much into what the CIA might have concluded in 1952.  Thanks for the link - I'm genuinely trying to work my way through it but it's not exactly well-written - but are all these anecdotes from just after the war really credible evidence? 

A few hundred years earlier many people were happy to report seeing witches flying round on broomsticks and sacrificing babies to Satan, but that wasn't actually happening.  Perhaps a few odd events, compounded by contemporary beliefs and ignorance, convinced many that witches were real. 

Maybe it was much the same in the 1950s as sci-fi films captured the public imagination; and perhaps the occasional odd and classified tech crashed to Earth?  It's easy to see how easily stories could be inflated and conflated. 

It's now 70 years on and still no genuine, credible, non-anecdotal evidence.  No films, no photos, no artifacts, no alien bits or blood to analyse, no advanced retro-engineered tech, no sensible explanation for why 'UFOs' are covered in silly lights and hang around US military bases just out of camera shot.  I think it's reasonable to suggest that maybe the investigators of the 1950s got it wrong?

 

Seems that you are unaware of scientist who have tracked flying saucers.

 HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER
by
Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN

http://www.nicap.org/true-mc.htm

 

[Tom1200]

11 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

 

Seems that you are unaware of scientist who have tracked flying saucers.

 HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER
by
Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN

http://www.nicap.org/true-mc.htm

 

1949?

I think you're deliberately missing just about every point I'm making.  Shame on you.

 

By the way - been meaning to ask for a while: what's a skyeagle?  As opposed to, say, just an eagle?  Are there other sorts as well?

Edited June 8, 2023 by Tom1200

[skyeagle409]

18 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I haven't watched the video yet, your comment is funny.   Did he see a UFO or was he made aware of an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth?

Yes! Here is an account on what happen.

One night in 1974, from a Cessna Citation aircraft, one of America's most famous citizens saw a UFO.

There were four persons aboard the plane: pilot Bill Paynter, two security guards, and the governor of California, Ronald Reagan. As the airplane approached Bakersfield, California, the passengers called Paynter's attention to a strange object to their rear. "It appeared to be several hundred yards away," Paynter recalled. "It was a fairly steady light until it began to accelerate. Then it appeared to elongate. Then the light took off. It went up at a 45-degree angle-at a high rate of speed. Everyone on the plane was surprised. . . . The UFO went from a normal cruise speed to a fantastic speed instantly. If you give an airplane power, it will accelerate-but not like a hot rod, and that's what this was like."

https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ronald-reagan-ufo.htm

 

1974 Reagan UFO sighting over Bakersfield makes news in Korea

https://www.bakersfield.com/news/1974-reagan-ufo-sighting-over-bakersfield-makes-news-in-korea/article_32df2176-07b9-5382-aac2-e8c602bbc759.html

 

[Tom1200]

3 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

Yes! Here is an account on what happen.

One night in 1974, from a Cessna Citation aircraft, one of America's most famous citizens saw a UFO.

There were four persons aboard the plane: pilot Bill Paynter, two security guards, and the governor of California, Ronald Reagan. As the airplane approached Bakersfield, California, the passengers called Paynter's attention to a strange object to their rear. "It appeared to be several hundred yards away," Paynter recalled. "It was a fairly steady light until it began to accelerate. Then it appeared to elongate. Then the light took off. It went up at a 45-degree angle-at a high rate of speed. Everyone on the plane was surprised. . . . The UFO went from a normal cruise speed to a fantastic speed instantly. If you give an airplane power, it will accelerate-but not like a hot rod, and that's what this was like."

https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ronald-reagan-ufo.htm

 

1974 Reagan UFO sighting over Bakersfield makes news in Korea

https://www.bakersfield.com/news/1974-reagan-ufo-sighting-over-bakersfield-makes-news-in-korea/article_32df2176-07b9-5382-aac2-e8c602bbc759.html

 

There you go, all you cynics!  You ask as proof for something from the last fifty years and hey presto! a yarn that's only 49 years old!

Repeat after me: "I'm now convinced.  I don't need evidence.   I believe what I'm told."

[skyeagle409]

32 minutes ago, Tom1200 said:

1949?

I think you're deliberately missing just about every point I'm making.  Shame on you.

 

Did you post this?     "I'm generally a cynic and a skeptic, chiefly because I'm into science which means big claims need big evidence."

 

I am just posting facts over time that includes scientist who have reported tracking flying saucers. Even Charles Moore, who has been used by the Air Force to debunk the Roswell Incident, had reported tracking a flying saucer. Here is his account that was published in LIFE magazine.

LIFE Magazine - April 7, 1952

HAVE WE VISITORS FROM SPACE?  

The Air Force is now ready to concede that many saucer and fireball sightings still defy explanation; here LIFE offers some scientific evidence that there is a real case for interplanetary saucers.

INCIDENT 3

On April 24, 1949 at 10:20 a.m., a group of five technicians under the general supervision of J. Gordon Vaeth, an aeronautical engineer employed by the Office of Naval Research, were preparing to launch a Skyhook balloon near Arrey, N. Mex. A small balloon was sent up first to check the weather. Charles B. Moore Jr., an aerologist of General Mills Inc. (pioneers in cosmic ray research) was tracking the weather balloon through a theodolite – a 25-power telescopic instrument, which gives degrees of azimuth and elevation (horizontal and vertical position) for any object it is sighted on. At 10:30 a.m. Moore leaned back from the theodolite to glance at the balloon with his naked eye. Suddenly he saw a whitish elliptical object, apparently much higher than the balloon, and moving, in the opposite direction. At once he picked the object up in his theodolite at 45 degrees of elevation and 210 degrees of azimuth, and tracked it east at the phenomenal rate of 5 degrees of azimuth-change per second as it dropped swiftly to an elevation of 25 degrees. The object appeared to be an ellipsoid roughly two and a half times as long as it was wide. Suddenly it swung abruptly upward and rushed out of sight in a few seconds. Moore had tracked it for about 60 seconds altogether. The other members of his crew confirmed his report. No sound was heard, no vapor trail was seen. The object, according to rough estimations by Moore and his colleagues, was about 56 miles above the earth, 100 feet long and was traveling at seven miles per second.

http://www.project1947.com/shg/articles/lifemag52.html

32 minutes ago, Tom1200 said:

 

By the way - been meaning to ask for a while: what's a skyeagle?  As opposed to, say, just an eagle?  Are there other sorts as well?

Skyeagle is me. 

Edited June 8, 2023 by skyeagle409

[skyeagle409]

13 minutes ago, Tom1200 said:

There you go, all you cynics!  You ask as proof for something from the last fifty years and hey presto! a yarn that's only 49 years old!

Repeat after me: "I'm now convinced.  I don't need evidence.   I believe what I'm told."

 

Convinced? Over the years, I have encountered a number of folks who've claimed to be what they are not, including one person who claimed to be Barry Goldwater. BTW, I know where to get the rest of the story when needed. 

 

Edited June 8, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Golden Duck]

35 minutes ago, Tom1200 said:

By the way - been meaning to ask for a while: what's a skyeagle?  As opposed to, say, just an eagle?  Are there other sorts as well?

 

[+Desertrat56]

19 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

 

Convinced? Over the years, I have encountered a number of folks who've claimed to be what they are not, including one person who claimed to be Barry Goldwater. BTW, I know where to get the rest of the story when needed. 

 

But what personal experiences have you had that involved UAP/UFO sightings or encounters with what you considered to be E.T.?

Edited June 8, 2023 by Desertrat56

[Golden Duck]

18 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

I know where to get the rest of the story when needed. 

I'm now convinced. 

I don't need evidence.   

I believe what I'm told.

[skyeagle409]

3 hours ago, Phantom309 said:

From Twitter this morning, more intriguing information:

 

 

There are those who still refuse to accept reality for what it is despite verified facts and evidence. Over the past few years, we have seen a shift in the government response to UAP reports and we now find ourselves in a brand new world where exterrestrial presence here on Earth is being currently revealed as fact.

[skyeagle409]

7 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

 

 

2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

I'm now convinced. 

I don't need evidence.   

I believe what I'm told.

 

Let's see about that. The question for you is: What was responsible for the Roswell Incident?

 

 

[skyeagle409]

14 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

 

 

Sea Eagles?! Well, I prefer flying over swimming anyway.

[Golden Duck]

15 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

 

 

Let's see about that. The question for you is: What was responsible for the Roswell Incident?

 

 

Aley-enz.

That's how we reverse engineered the television, jets, ENIAC, rockets, pulled-pork, salted caramel, craft beer, and house music.

We would never have got to the moon without all that tekknollygee that we got in 1947.

Edited June 8, 2023 by Golden Duck

[Piney]

25 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Aley-enz.

That's how we reverse engineered the television, jets, ENIAC, rockets, pulled-pork, salted caramel, craft beer, and house music.

We would never have got to the moon without all that tekknollygee that we got in 1947.

You forgot reversed engineered aluminum foil.

Which is why I gave up on humanity........