‘Venue matters’: Trump charges could come from Florida federal grand jury

[+OverSword]

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The late-stage presentation of evidence to a Florida grand jury is the latest sign that former President Trump may face trial in Miami as prosecutors work to insulate the Mar-a-Lago case from legal challenges stemming from the location of the proceedings.

Special counsel Jack Smith has for months been calling witnesses before a Washington, D.C., grand jury on the matter, but a recent flurry of activity in the case — just days after Trump’s attorneys met with Justice Department prosecutors in D.C. — has instead been in Florida.

This week, a handful of witnesses have been appearing in Florida, including Trump aide Taylor Budowich, who tweeted Wednesday that he was compelled to answer questions in the probe.

The move is a sign Smith is weighing filing charges there in addition to or instead of D.C., as defendants have a right to face trial where the alleged crime took place.

 

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[Tatetopa]

It is supposed to be where the crime occurred isn't it?   Florida seems like one logical place for the documents inquiry.

[Gromdor]

There is speculation that this particular grand jury might not be about Trump but other associates of his related to this crime.  Meadows has reportly just plead guilty and flipped:Mark Meadows to plead guilty in deal to testify against Trump: report (msn.com) so the charges and crimes seem to already be spreading from just a single individual.  

[+and-then]

Anyone who can be self righteous about Trump while ignoring Biden's more serious crime, is just a political hack.

[Gromdor]

31 minutes ago, and-then said:

Anyone who can be self righteous about Trump while ignoring Biden's more serious crime, is just a political hack.

Quite true.  That's why we keep saying the Republicans should talk less and indict more.  If you talk about Hillary for over a decade, control the presidency and congress, and still have no indictments then people are going to think it was all political rhetoric the whole time.  It's the one thing I respect about Democrats- they seem to be more able to get these things in front of a judge and jury.

[Edumakated]

44 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Quite true.  That's why we keep saying the Republicans should talk less and indict more.  If you talk about Hillary for over a decade, control the presidency and congress, and still have no indictments then people are going to think it was all political rhetoric the whole time.  It's the one thing I respect about Democrats- they seem to be more able to get these things in front of a judge and jury.

I dont think republicans are actually willing to jail political opponents like democrats....

[Gromdor]

6 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

I dont think republicans are actually willing to jail political opponents like democrats....

If you make criminal accusations, you have to follow through and indict.  But I get it, you can win more elections stringing along the gullible than you can if you actually bring it to court for closure.

I do agree with you though, republicans will never bring Hillary or any of the Bidens to trial.  

[+susieice]

Trump says he's been indicted. Supposedly on 7 charges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/live-updates-trump-classified-documents-florida-grand-jury-rcna88233

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trump-says-he-has-been-indicted-in-probe-over-handling-of-sensitive-government-documents/ar-AA1cjn30

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/politics/trump-indictment-truth-social-classified-documents/index.html

Edited June 9 by susieice

[Occupational Hubris]

Sources say one of the charges is conspiracy. Yesterday i heard that espionage and obstruction were among the potential charges. 

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Edumakated said:

I dont think republicans are actually willing to jail political opponents like democrats....

If the country survives, they may well regret this step.  Then again, DC is mostly corrupt Kubuki theater these days.  After the next general election, I'm calling it quits.  No point in playing their game any longer.  It's time to become creative with resisting the DC thugs.

[psyche101]

4 hours ago, and-then said:

Anyone who can be self righteous about Trump while ignoring Biden's more serious crime, is just a political hack.

And anyone who still believes in a stolen election is a fantasy prone sycophant.

[spartan max2]

11 minutes ago, and-then said:

If the country survives, they may well regret this step.  Then again, DC is mostly corrupt Kubuki theater these days.  After the next general election, I'm calling it quits.  No point in playing their game any longer.  It's time to become creative with resisting the DC thugs.

Election is so fake that you still feel like your vote counts enough to vote in it.

Almost like you know it wasent fake 

[Tatetopa]

No worries, even with an ankle bracelet, Trump can still run and win the Republican primary. 

Politics or not, I am in favor of equal justice under the law for everybody, not NewsMax, not FOX, nor Parlor or 4chan, but actual courts following procedures outlined by the United States Constitution. 

Investigate  Biden too, all of them if necessary.  Lets get it done, and jenky bs like Comer saying the accusations have not been proven, but they haven't been disproven either is not how the legal system works in the US.   The courts have to prove you are guilty, the defendant does not have to prove he is innocent. 

But of course we poor liberals are always being persecuted and the victims of every Republican plot that comes along.  We never get a fair shake do we?

[Tatetopa]

Appears that Trump was just indicted for document related issues in Florida. Confirmed  by CNN and NBC, so maybe true.  Stay calm.  No details on charges.  Apparently he has to appear in Miami on Tuesday, th4en we will find out charges.

It would be strange  if campaign headquarters for both candidates were  in the same federal prison.   

[Gromdor]

Just now, Tatetopa said:

Appears that Trump was just indicted for document related issues in Florida. Confirmed  by CNN and NBC, so maybe true.  Stay calm.  No details on charges.  Apparently he has to appear in Miami on Tuesday, th4en we will find out charges.

It would be strange  if campaign headquarters for both candidates were  in the same federal prison.   

I thought we decided that a sitting president couldn't be indicted until after their term? 

[Edumakated]

52 minutes ago, and-then said:

If the country survives, they may well regret this step.  Then again, DC is mostly corrupt Kubuki theater these days.  After the next general election, I'm calling it quits.  No point in playing their game any longer.  It's time to become creative with resisting the DC thugs.

Democrats play to win and their willingness to jail political opponents (and even make up crimes a la Russiagate) shows the lengths they will go to for power.  For them, the ends justify the means.  While I can't say it is morals, Republicans simply won't go that far.  They may talk a good game to score political points, but they never will follow through.  Republicans wouldn't indict Clinton or even Biden despite a preponderance of evidence because I think they believe it wouldn't be good for the country.

I do think America has changed.  The experiment worked until it didn't.  I give us another 50 years and it will collapse under it's own weight from corruption and fiscal irresponsibility along with progressive madness.  It is a slow trainwreck and not much any of us can do to stop it at this point.  

Edited June 9 by Edumakated

[Occupational Hubris]

41 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

No worries, even with an ankle bracelet, Trump can still run and win the Republican primary. 

Politics or not, I am in favor of equal justice under the law for everybody, not NewsMax, not FOX, nor Parlor or 4chan, but actual courts following procedures outlined by the United States Constitution. 

Investigate  Biden too, all of them if necessary.  Lets get it done, and jenky bs like Comer saying the accusations have not been proven, but they haven't been disproven either is not how the legal system works in the US.   The courts have to prove you are guilty, the defendant does not have to prove he is innocent. 

But of course we poor liberals are always being persecuted and the victims of every Republican plot that comes along.  We never get a fair shake do we?

No reasonable person disagrees with you. 

[Occupational Hubris]

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Trump's attorney confirms former president faces 7-count indictment

From CNN's Kaanita Iyer

Donald Trump's attorney Jim Trusty confirmed Thursday night that the former president has been charged with seven counts – and revealed that the charges “break out from an Espionage Act charge.”

"It does have some language in it that suggests what the seven charges would be. Not 100% clear that all of those are separate charges, but they basically break out from an Espionage Act charge," he told CNN’s Kaitlan Collins.

Trusty called the espionage charge “ludicrous,” and added that there are also “several obstruction-based-type charges and then false statement charges.”

He said his team did not get a copy of the indictment but instead received a summons via email. Trusty refused to reveal when his team received the initial letter from the Justice Department that listed Trump as a target of their investigation.

He confirmed that Trump will appear in court Tuesday but would not say which attorneys will be present with the former president.

 

[Gromdor]

1 hour ago, Edumakated said:

Democrats play to win and their willingness to jail political opponents (and even make up crimes a la Russiagate) shows the lengths they will go to for power.  For them, the ends justify the means.  While I can't say it is morals, Republicans simply won't go that far.  They may talk a good game to score political points, but they never will follow through.  Republicans wouldn't indict Clinton or even Biden despite a preponderance of evidence because I think they believe it wouldn't be good for the country.

I do think America has changed.  The experiment worked until it didn't.  I give us another 50 years and it will collapse under it's own weight from corruption and fiscal irresponsibility along with progressive madness.  It is a slow trainwreck and not much any of us can do to stop it at this point.  

Sounds like you want two sets of systems. One for the rich and powerful and one for the plebes.  

[darkmoonlady]

Ugh Florida venue means sweatier Trump. It's like looking at a Halloween pumpkin melting in the rain. 

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, Gromdor said:

I thought we decided that a sitting president couldn't be indicted until after their term? 

You are right of course, we don't indict a sitting president.  Biden would have to be impeached and convicted.  But then he could pardon himself  couldn't he?

[Tatetopa]

On the bright side for Trump supporters, the trial will not happen in DC.  Maybe some of his neighbors or members of Mar-a-Lago  will wind up on the jury. 

[Doug1066]

Two indictments down; two to go.  Plus 26 lawsuits.  And the govt might still sew him for violating the emoluments clause.  I hope so; he stole plenty from us taxpayers.

Doug

[Buzz_Light_Year]

9 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Sounds like you want two sets of systems. One for the rich and powerful and one for the plebes.  

It's hard to see where you drew that conclusion but its understandable from a liberal point of view.

Pointing out the obvious is just that.

[BojephusJones]

7 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

It's hard to see where you drew that conclusion but its understandable from a liberal point of view.

Pointing out the obvious is just that.

"FrOm A LiBeRaL pOiNt Of ViEw".  Or you know, ANY point of view

Edited June 9 by BojephusJones