FBI caves, agrees to allow whole Oversight Committee to view Biden bribery scheme allegation: Comer

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House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer announced Wednesday night that the FBI has “caved” and will allow each member of the panel the opportunity to review an informant file held by the bureau that accuses President Biden of a $5 million bribery scheme while he was vice president. 

As a result of FBI Director Christopher Wray’s change of heart – after weeks of refusing to hand over a physical copy of the FD-1023 form to the committee – he will no longer be subjected to a contempt of Congress hearing that was slated for Thursday. 

The FBI is also making two additional documents referenced in the informant file available for Comer (R-Ky.) and House Oversight Committee ranking member Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) to review, the panel announced. 

 

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[Myles]

Good.

[+and-then]

I'm shocked.  All Wray had to do was just say no.  There wouldn't have been any consequences.  According to the well-paid and "highly credible" source, both Hunter and Joe received 5 million, each.  Add to that the banking records with dozens of accounts and money flowing into even the grandkid's accounts and the only people who think it doesn't stink to high heaven are those who would crucify Trump if a similar scandal came to light.  The thing that is the most discouraging these days is the willingness of half the country to simply ignore OBVIOUS corruption and to do so in a manner that could not be more hypocritical.

I'd like anyone here to say Trump would be handled the same way - and do it with a straight face.

[Gromdor]

And less than a day after Marjorie Greene goes on air and brags about commiting a crime regarding it......... 'It’s a crime': Legal experts say Marjorie Taylor Greene may have admitted to violating federal law (msn.com)

"This is a document that all of America should be able to see. But the FBI is stonewalling us, and they would only let us see it in a SCIF. Well, what I did after reading the document is I made notes when I walked out and I went to the table. And I wrote down everything that I had just read so that I could come out and tell the American people what I read."-MTG

[+and-then]

26 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

And less than a day after Marjorie Greene goes on air and brags about commiting a crime regarding it......... 'It’s a crime': Legal experts say Marjorie Taylor Greene may have admitted to violating federal law (msn.com)

"This is a document that all of America should be able to see. But the FBI is stonewalling us, and they would only let us see it in a SCIF. Well, what I did after reading the document is I made notes when I walked out and I went to the table. And I wrote down everything that I had just read so that I could come out and tell the American people what I read."-MTG

Does this surprise you?  Those of us who aren't Democrats see a glaring double standard and our respect for the law is weakening, to say the least.  Without a true justice system, this little soiree is OVAH.  I think we both know that unless SCOTUS ignores the Constitution regarding disqualification of a presidential candidate, he will be the nominee and we'll see an endless media barrage against him.  If it looks like he has a good chance of winning, the Left will have their goons in the streets next summer.  

[Tatetopa]

22 minutes ago, and-then said:

he will be the nominee and we'll see an endless media barrage against him. 

I fully believe Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee.  No doubt there will be a media feast.  Never has the opportunity to make so much money so quickly been presented to media organizations both left and right.  Currently Trump has a little less than 70%  of the Republican party behind him and he is underwater with Independents and Democrats.   His statements which appear to be ranting and raving  to many will not gain additional supporters between now and 2024.  

Of course Donald Trump is presumed innocent until proven guilty, a jury of his Florida peers may decide there is not enough evidence to convict him.   In that case, he will be exonerated.  Those of us in the middle who haven't bartered our souls  to the MAGA movement will still think he is incompetent and unfit to serve based on his own personality and  statements, not on any government evidence of wrongdoing.

So far the Republicans  have no helped themselves with unverified statements and whataboutisms concerning Biden.   Can they not reason?  Do they not know the Constitution they have sworn to defend and operate within it?   Are all of these hearings pointless?  It would be a great day if all corruption was removed from out government, but that will include a horde of Republicans as well as Democrats.

So, if Republicans actually have evidence that would stand up in court against Joe Biden,  BRING IT  and stop with the mean girl gossip.  We are waiting.

 

 

[+and-then]

26 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

BRING IT 

That's disingenuous at best.  When you have multiple witnesses, a huge shell game of bank accounts and money being paid to multiple Biden family members - with no explanation for why they're being paid and the FBI/DOJ are stonewalling, it's a little difficult to "BRING IT".

I'll say it again, anyone who says that if all of those pieces of evidence were lined up against Trump, the whole country would be in an uproar and there would be multiple charges.  Biden isn't going to be held accountable for ANYTHING and we both know it and it will have feck-all to do with not having evidence.  The thing is, I still believe that a majority of Americans see what's happening, see the rank hypocrisy and are getting fed up with it.  

If they use a biased jury to convict then try to get him disqualified, the burden will be on SCOTUS.  If they refuse to hear it or refuse to follow the clear standard of the Constitution then most of us on the Right will disengage from a corrupt process and begin making our own plans.  Also, if they actually put the man in a cell, we might just finally see Conservatives acting like Democrats.  Enough is damned well ENOUGH...

[Gromdor]

46 minutes ago, and-then said:

That's disingenuous at best.  When you have multiple witnesses, a huge shell game of bank accounts and money being paid to multiple Biden family members - with no explanation for why they're being paid and the FBI/DOJ are stonewalling, it's a little difficult to "BRING IT".

I'll say it again, anyone who says that if all of those pieces of evidence were lined up against Trump, the whole country would be in an uproar and there would be multiple charges.  Biden isn't going to be held accountable for ANYTHING and we both know it and it will have feck-all to do with not having evidence.  The thing is, I still believe that a majority of Americans see what's happening, see the rank hypocrisy and are getting fed up with it.  

If they use a biased jury to convict then try to get him disqualified, the burden will be on SCOTUS.  If they refuse to hear it or refuse to follow the clear standard of the Constitution then most of us on the Right will disengage from a corrupt process and begin making our own plans.  Also, if they actually put the man in a cell, we might just finally see Conservatives acting like Democrats.  Enough is damned well ENOUGH...

I think you are just making excuses for the Republican party.  There is no reason why Jim Jordan and his committee (or any other committee) can't refer criminal charges.  Instead, they just make the accusations. Take Marjorie Greene, for instance, instead of bragging about breaking the law and congressional rules on TV, her and her committee could have referred criminal charges- but she didn't.  Either they are corrupt and actively shield criminal behavior while crying foul or they are just plain crying wolf for the attention.  

Edited June 9 by Gromdor

[Tatetopa]

31 minutes ago, and-then said:

That's disingenuous at best.  When you have multiple witnesses, a huge shell game of bank accounts and money being paid to multiple Biden family members - with no explanation for why they're being paid and the FBI/DOJ are stonewalling, it's a little difficult to "BRING IT".

I'll say it again, anyone who says that if all of those pieces of evidence were lined up against Trump, the whole country would be in an uproar and there would be multiple charges.  Biden isn't going to be held accountable for ANYTHING and we both know it and it will have feck-all to do with not having evidence.  The thing is, I still believe that a majority of Americans see what's happening, see the rank hypocrisy and are getting fed up with it.  

If they use a biased jury to convict then try to get him disqualified, the burden will be on SCOTUS.  If they refuse to hear it or refuse to follow the clear standard of the Constitution then most of us on the Right will disengage from a corrupt process and begin making our own plans.  Also, if they actually put the man in a cell, we might just finally see Conservatives acting like Democrats.  Enough is damned well ENOUGH...

Greetings. I will challenge your first statement.  First of all, what crime was committed?  It is not illegal to have multiple bank accounts or distribute money  to family members. It is not required to tell the public what they are for.  If it was, Trump would already be in prison.  He never even released his taxes. What concessions did he have to give to Xi to get Ivanka all of those copyrights or Don Jr. that special hunting trip to Mongolia?  What did Jared and Ivanka have to do to make $600 million dollars while special advisors to the president?  What foreign policy deals did Jared and Trump make with the Saudis to get Jared a $2 billion dollar payout?  I am sure there are plenty of witnesses and bank statement for that too, there is plenty of media innuendo.  But was any of it illegal?  CNN or MSNBC can sway opinion just like FOX or NewsMax  but they can not convict anybody.  It is all media fluff on both sides.  All that matters is evidence presented in a court of law, not some commentator asking leading questions on a media channel. 

 

It takes a court of law, and so far, none of those issues have come up in investigations.  The claim that the FBI  is stonewalling is  an excuse.    Meanwhile Congressional committees have been trying to make a public opinion media case rather than do  real investigations. The last year of Trump's presidency was focused on finding dirt on Biden.  The head of the FBI is still Wray who Trump appointed.  If there was evidence, it could be presented.  Instead, we get these statements about being "this close" to finding the dirt on Biden and we will be back in a few days.  Again, after a few days has passed, I say, Bring  It.  

There were once many honest, competent conservative Republican lawyers and legislators that could handle these Biden investigations.  Most of them are sitting on the sidelines.  To outsiders, it appears they have been driven off by Trump and his followers in favor of media trolling.

I will agree with your second statement.  All of the pieces of evidence in the documents case were presented to a group of Florida citizens just like you.  As a result, the  jury voted to indict  Trump and there are multiple charges and  the country is in an uproar. You are correct.  And I think you are also correct that a majority of  Americans, Independents and Democrats and about a third of Republicans are fed up with the crazy and  lies coming from the Trump camp.

Trump being tried in Florida and the first of the procedure being handled by a Trump appointed judge is about as biased in Trump's favor as one can get.  If it gets appealed, I have no doubt SCOTUS will hear it. The Constitution will be followed, but that seems never enough for MAGA.  They do not want equal justice, they want special treatment for their leader.

 

 

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

can't refer criminal charges.

Right.  I'm sure Garland would get right on that.  As for making excuses for them, at this point I don't really give a damn what they do or don't do.  You can't trust any of them.  It's time to back away and start preparing for the collapse.  Fortunately, I live far enough away from the closest blue cesspool that when the locusts come, they'll have already been thinned out a bit.

That nonsense is exactly the same as spouting the party line on the media which the Left have near total control of.  Your party is corrupt, dirty to the core and they've shown what they plan to do.  I expect they'll be running into a little headwind before long.

[Tatetopa]

For those of you who have the time, the indictment is open and you can read it.  Read the friggin' document  Its not about secret business deals or shady bank accounts, or rumors, it is about facts, some even on tape and spoken by Donald Trump himself.

It makes a number of statements that will either be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court to a jury, or they will not.  There are no what abouts or what ifs or maybes, just statements that can be challenged or defended. It is put up or shut up time.  Donald Trump can afford the best lawyers in the country.  If he is innocent, they can help him prove it. 

Or you can go hide in a hole if you want and wait for the collapse.  That sounds like a positive and patriotic course of action and it won't affect the outcome one little bit.  

[Tatetopa]

I hate to bring Biden up again, but if they do have the goods as Andy Biggs says, then lets impeach him right now.   Selfishly, it would be great for liberals, Democrats,  and maybe independents, to have Biden resign, have a real primary and field a candidate that people can get behind.   I am too old to want somebody nearly old enough to be my dad to be running the country again.

[Occupational Hubris]

2 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I hate to bring Biden up again, but if they do have the goods as Andy Biggs says, then lets impeach him right now.   Selfishly, it would be great for liberals, Democrats,  and maybe independents, to have Biden resign, have a real primary and field a candidate that people can get behind.   I am too old to want somebody nearly old enough to be my dad to be running the country again.

Biden not running another term would certainly be a plus

[+Paranoid Android]

If Biden does not run (currently $1.28 favourite for democrat nomination),  the next most likely candidate according to the bookmakers is Robert Kennedy.  He's currently at $12, with Kamala Harris the third most likely at $18. Gavin Newsome and Michelle Obama round out the top 5, both at $21.

I would not mind Robert Kennedy, I think he has a fair bit of support among independents,  but unlikely to be enough!

[el midgetron]

Cheryl Hines has my vote for first Lady. 

[Occupational Hubris]

1 hour ago, Paranoid Android said:

If Biden does not run (currently $1.28 favourite for democrat nomination),  the next most likely candidate according to the bookmakers is Robert Kennedy.  He's currently at $12, with Kamala Harris the third most likely at $18. Gavin Newsome and Michelle Obama round out the top 5, both at $21.

I would not mind Robert Kennedy, I think he has a fair bit of support among independents,  but unlikely to be enough!

Kennedy is an idiot and has zero chance at getting nominated. 

[Gromdor]

There is Marianne Williamson, but the fact that noone even knows she is running is a pretty bad sign.

[+Paranoid Android]

1 hour ago, Occupational Hubris said:

Kennedy is an idiot and has zero chance at getting nominated. 

Mate, I'm just passing on the bookies odds. They're the ones who put Kennedy ahead of Harris, Newsome, Obama, and everyone else on the list except the favourite (there's dozens of names).

But I do agree,  unless something terminal or debilitating happens (no one wants that for the poor man),  Kennedy has zero chance of getting nominated, along with every other democrat candidate! 

Edited June 10 by Paranoid Android

[Occupational Hubris]

2 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

Mate, I'm just passing on the bookies odds. They're the ones who put Kennedy ahead of Harris, Newsome, Obama, and everyone else on the list except the favourite (there's dozens of names).

But I do agree,  unless something terminal or debilitating happens (no one wants that for the poor man),  Kennedy has zero chance of getting nominated, along with every other democrat candidate! 

Even if Biden bowed out (which he should), Kennedy is non-starter 

[acidhead]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

There is Marianne Williamson, but the fact that noone even knows she is running is a pretty bad sign.

Marianne Williamson is actually Michael Jackson.  

[DieChecker]

Well if there is skeletons to be found, with a R House, they'll muck it up anything that can be found. Maybe a Independent Counsel needs to be appointed?

As of two days ago I'd have called this assertion pure BS, but this FBI report has me seriously wondering where Joe's "unaccounted" for finances came from. Approximately 13 to 15 million dollars isn't a rounding error, or just an "I forgot that account".

[+Paranoid Android]

5 hours ago, Occupational Hubris said:

Even if Biden bowed out (which he should), Kennedy is non-starter 

Unless Biden actually pulls out (and i hope he does),  we'll never know. 

[Myles]

13 hours ago, Occupational Hubris said:

Kennedy is an idiot and has zero chance at getting nominated. 

biden is an idiot and he won the election.  Idiots have been the candidates of the Democrats and the Republicans for a long time.  

[+and-then]

15 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

If Biden does not run (currently $1.28 favourite for democrat nomination),  the next most likely candidate according to the bookmakers is Robert Kennedy.  He's currently at $12, with Kamala Harris the third most likely at $18. Gavin Newsome and Michelle Obama round out the top 5, both at $21.

I would not mind Robert Kennedy, I think he has a fair bit of support among independents,  but unlikely to be enough!

I'm guessing it will be Gavin Newsome.  Biden is physically and mentally unfit to even finish this term.  It's embarrassing, and the people who installed him should be ashamed.  My sig line is totally legit.  Americans today have NO IDEA who's in control of our nuclear weapons.  That reality should scare the hell out of people around the world.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

4 hours ago, Myles said:

biden is an idiot and he won the election.  Idiots have been the candidates of the Democrats and the Republicans for a long time.  

That is where my theory about “votes against the other candidate” comes in. Trump was so toxic that a large number of people who’d normally not vote, voted just to ensure he didn’t win. The same applies (possibly to a lesser extent, but that lesser extent is worrisome, because it means Trump did motivate a large voting base) to people who voted for Trump, they were actually voting against Biden. 
Herein lies the Democrats’ problem for 2024. How many of the “never Trump” brigade will look at another 4 years of Joe and support that, even at the thought of another 4 years of Trump? 
You would have expected Joe’s numbers to be fairly on par with the last couple of Democrat Presidents, let’s be honest other than a meme campaign about him being a joker, he had very little substance to him. He’d expect to get the “anyone with a D behind their name is good me for” vote. But he won by a landslide. 
Or rather, Trump lost by a landslide because he was so toxic. Trump motivated people to vote against him as much as he motivated people to vote for him. He brought out the “I’ve never voted, but this guy is saying things I like to hear…” vote and the “I’m not racist, I just don’t like the …” vote. And he got a lot of votes. And he got a lot of votes for Biden because a lot of people saw a glimpse of the future under Trump and were appalled. Trump the master salesman, sold both himself and Biden to the public, and 160 million people brought product, but more brought Joe. 

Now let’s look at 2024. 
Trump is no better, and possible worse, than he was in 2020. 
Joe is … well he is an old man who is now struggling to stand up on his own. His eyesight seems to be weakening. 
How much of the “never Trump” vote does he still hold? How many people are willing to pinch their noses to pick him over Trump this time? Even CNN is starting to critique the president. He’s losing his propaganda arm. I can see a lot of the Never Trumpers just not voting, while the Never Joes and the We Love Donalds will be out in force.