Crashed UFO recovered by the US military 'distorted space and time'

[pellinore]

A crashed UFO recovered by the US military 'distorted space-time' and was 'bigger on the inside', claims a top attorney involved in bringing UFO whistleblowers to Congress.

Daniel Sheehan says he was told the mind-boggling tale by a whistleblower who allegedly took part in an illegally-undisclosed program retrieving crashed non-human spacecraft – and who has now briefed Senate Intelligence Committee staff.

The lawyer's story is the latest in a series of stunning claims this week of UFOs in the government's hands, which began on Monday with an on-camera interview of former senior Air Force intelligence officer David Grusch alleging that the US government possesses multiple crashed 'non-human' craft. 

Crashed UFO recovered by the US military 'distorted space and time' | Daily Mail Online

Edited June 10, 2023 by pellinore

[Tiggs]

47 minutes ago, pellinore said:

A crashed UFO recovered by the US military 'distorted space-time' and was 'bigger on the inside'

Hey, wait a minute...

[Unusual Tournament]

The sun tells the time of day, the moon the day of the month, and the solar system the year. So basically we live in a clock. So time and space distortion shouldn’t be that weird

[Raptor Witness]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

The sun tells the time of day, the moon the day of the month, and the solar system the year. So basically we live in a clock. So time and space distortion shouldn’t be that weird

Best post of the month here, by far.

Congrats…

[Raptor Witness]

Uh …. I’m gonna have to digest this, but it certainly may help explain how their material bodies are able to survive the rapid acceleration-deceleration.

This witness seems credible.

[Piney]

47 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

Uh …. I’m gonna have to digest this, but it certainly may help explain how their material bodies are able to survive the rapid acceleration-deceleration.

This witness seems credible.

No he doesn't. He's a known bull****ter.

[Phantom309]

Ex CIA employee Jim Semivan on the original 2017 NYT story - and what he actually wanted to publish with Leslie Kean:

 

 

[Occupational Hubris]

Cool story. Just as pointless as the rest

[Dejarma]

4 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

This witness seems credible.

explain why you think this, you don't know him.. seems? so there's doubt in your mind.. interesting

[Alchopwn]

10 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

The sun tells the time of day, the moon the day of the month, and the solar system the year. So basically we live in a clock. So time and space distortion shouldn’t be that weird

Umm... While you have laid out the facts quite well, the conclusion that time and space distortions shouldn't be weird is pretty flawed as a conclusion.  Think about it.  The Sun running backwards or perhaps sideways?  The moon staying cresent for 11 days or other shenanigans.  Planets moving out of their orbits...  Terrifying and extremely dangerous to life on earth.

[Abramelin]

11 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

The sun tells the time of day, the moon the day of the month, and the solar system the year. So basically we live in a clock. So time and space distortion shouldn’t be that weird

The duke had a mind that ticked like a clock and, like a clock, it regularly went cuckoo.

Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[pellinore]

11 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

The sun tells the time of day, the moon the day of the month, and the solar system the year. So basically we live in a clock. So time and space distortion shouldn’t be that weird

They don't actually tell us that though, do they? It is an order humans have imposed over thousands of years. If you gave someone a bump on the head so they lost their memory of what year it was, and took away their watch, and plonked them on a deserted island they would not know any of that.  All that they would know is that it was sometimes night and sometimes day. The movement of the Sun and Moon would enable them to judge when it was the middle of the day and the middle of the night, and a gradual change in temperature would enable them to gauge the seasons after a couple of years had passed.

[Raptor Witness]

4 hours ago, Dejarma said:

explain why you think this, you don't know him.. seems? so there's doubt in your mind.. interesting

If you understand physics, and a bit of quantum mechanics, then this is a logical advance, when coupled with high speeds and acceleration, deceleration. 

There are logical barriers to material beings, traveling, accelerating, and decelerating, as soft bodies would require some form of unique protection.

This hasn’t been discussed in our science fiction, how this could be achieved. However, if you could change the space-time within the vehicle itself, it would make sense that you could protect your body.

This is the most criminal element of the Pentagon withholding these craft from The People, because if enough smart people were given access to this type of technology, someone might be able to figure it out.

We might have already built the fusion reactors we need, to perhaps end human violence on this planet. Fusion reactors could conceivably create a kind of utopia for mankind, far greater than the domestication of grain, or livestock. We wouldn’t have our current pollution problems, and could engineer virtually any machine needed, to do any work needed.

The U.S. military industrial complex has done The People a terrible disservice.

[Unusual Tournament]

2 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Umm... While you have laid out the facts quite well, the conclusion that time and space distortions shouldn't be weird is pretty flawed as a conclusion.  Think about it.  The Sun running backwards or perhaps sideways?  The moon staying cresent for 11 days or other shenanigans.  Planets moving out of their orbits...  Terrifying and extremely dangerous to life on earth.

Well I’m not an expert on the matter just someone with an appreciation for the UFO space, having said that, according to NASA and Einstein, time travel is possible. Albert Einstein's theory of relativity says time and motion are relative to each other. The rest I will leave to better minds

 

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

They don't actually tell us that though, do they? It is an order humans have imposed over thousands of years. If you gave someone a bump on the head so they lost their memory of what year it was, and took away their watch, and plonked them on a deserted island they would not know any of that.  All that they would know is that it was sometimes night and sometimes day. The movement of the Sun and Moon would enable them to judge when it was the middle of the day and the middle of the night, and a gradual change in temperature would enable them to gauge the seasons after a couple of years had passed.

Humans don’t tell the earth or the rest of the planets how to revolve or how fast. We do not also make demands on the moon. Sedation does not alter time, just that person’s memory of it. 
 

Look at our solar system and the mechanics of their rotation and relationship to each other and with the universe as a whole. It moves with mechanical gear like precision, no different to a clock. At least to me

[Grey Area]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Humans don’t tell the earth or the rest of the planets how to revolve or how fast. We do not also make demands on the moon. Sedation does not alter time, just that person’s memory of it. 

Humans have evolved and adapted within the earth and the solar system.  It is logical that we define our measurements of the passage time according to the cycles that we perceive.

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Look at our solar system and the mechanics of their rotation and relationship to each other and with the universe as a whole. It moves with mechanical gear like precision, no different to a clock. At least to me

It doesn’t at all.  On a Cosmic scale the Solar system is a chaotic mess of colliding objects, clashes of extremes and agonising instances of death and mass extinctions.  And on a grander scale again, our galaxy is due to collide with Andromeda.

Whether we turn out to be any different to those species that came before us remains to be seen.

[Piney]

3 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

If you understand physics, and a bit of quantum mechanics, then this is a logical advance, when coupled with high speeds and acceleration, deceleration. 

There are logical barriers to material beings, traveling, accelerating, and decelerating, as soft bodies would require some form of unique protection.

This hasn’t been discussed in our science fiction, how this could be achieved. However, if you could change the space-time within the vehicle itself, it would make sense that you could protect your body.

This is the most criminal element of the Pentagon withholding these craft from The People, because if enough smart people were given access to this type of technology, someone might be able to figure it out.

We might have already built the fusion reactors we need, to perhaps end human violence on this planet. Fusion reactors could conceivably create a kind of utopia for mankind, far greater than the domestication of grain, or livestock. We wouldn’t have our current pollution problems, and could engineer virtually any machine needed, to do any work needed.

The U.S. military industrial complex has done The People a terrible disservice.

They were getting the concept of folding space which does jive with physics with Doctor Who.

But the concept of creating a "warp bubble" and folding space has been played with for a while with NASA and is public knowledge.

The irony is this "whistleblower" doesn't even know that and had the concept confused with something else.

 

[Grey Area]

15 hours ago, pellinore said:

A crashed UFO recovered by the US military 'distorted space-time' and was 'bigger on the inside', claims a top attorney involved in bringing UFO whistleblowers to Congress.

This great, but a story is just story.

what are the details?  In essence every object with mass distorts space-time, what possible device was used to measure the Space-time distortion this UFO created?

And as @Tiggs alluded to haven’t we seen Time and relative dimensions in space somewhere before?  Is this life imitating art?

[Piney]

12 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

This great, but a story is just story.

what are the details?  In essence every object with mass distorts space-time, what possible device was used to measure the Space-time distortion this UFO created?

And as @Tiggs alluded to haven’t we seen Time and relative dimensions in space somewhere before?  Is this life imitating art?

Frank Herbert used the idea of folding space in 'Heretics of Dune' and 'Chapterhouse Dune' in the 1980s. 

[Grey Area]

Just now, Piney said:

Frank Herbert used the idea of folding space in 'Heretics of Dune' and 'Chapterhouse Dune' in the 1980s. 

And interestingly Dune’s universe is totally devoid of any sentient alien life with the exception of humans and the AI they created.

[Piney]

19 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

And interestingly Dune’s universe is totally devoid of any sentient alien life with the exception of humans and the AI they created.

Frank mucked with humanoid aliens in his earlier writings, then when he became heavy into ecology he realized they were a biological impossibility. Which we are.

We are a product of environmental stresses. Not convergent evolution to fill a niche. 

[Antigonos]

54 minutes ago, Piney said:

Frank Herbert used the idea of folding space in 'Heretics of Dune' and 'Chapterhouse Dune' in the 1980s. 

I wish he had lived long enough to write and publish Dune 7, and wrap up the storyline he began with them. I thought Brian Herbert’s version was off base even though he supposedly used his father’s notes for it. He basically used it as a way to tie in his own prequel trilogy about the Butlerian Jihad to the original series.

 

Edited June 11, 2023 by Antigonos
Changed Paul to Brian. Duh.

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

I wish he had lived long enough to write and publish Dune 7, and wrap up the storyline he began with them. I thought Brian Herbert’s version was off base even though he supposedly used his father’s notes for it. He basically used it as a way to tie in his own prequel trilogy about the Butlerian Jihad to the original series.

Fixed it.

And his writings not only suck, I don't think he read his dad's books. Just the notes.

[Antigonos]

14 minutes ago, Piney said:

Fixed it.

And his writings not only suck, I don't think he read his dad's books. Just the notes.

Thanks. Don’t know where “Paul” came from. I shouldn’t forum before I have coffee.

[Grey Area]

19 minutes ago, Piney said:

Frank mucked with humanoid aliens in his earlier writings, then when he became heavy into ecology he realized they were a biological impossibility. Which we are.

We are a product of environmental stresses. Not convergent evolution to fill a niche. 

Dune is my absolute number one work of fiction, not just Sci-fi but in any genre.  But I have never read anything else by Herbert, and I think I would be a little apprehensive in potentially tarnishing Frank Herbert’s legendary status in my mind.

 

15 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

wish he had lived long enough to write and publish Dune 7, and wrap up the storyline he began with them.

I did struggle a bit after Dune Messiah as the books style radically shifts as the story moves across millennia.  Infact I have admit it probably took me about a decade to graduate to Chapter House from Messiah.  But I would give my left testicle to read where Frank was going with Marty and Daniel.

I would have also have loved to hear about Herbert’s motivations for resurrecting Duncan Idaho, was this planned or did he finish Dune and listen to Fan feedback about how awesome the character was?

16 minutes ago, Piney said:

nd his writings not only suck, I don't think he read his dad's books. Just the notes.

Totally agree with this, I tried really hard to like a lot of the related stuff from his estate, but it is executed with a complete lack of understanding about what made Dune special.