Current Ukrainian counteroffensives

[jmccr8]

https://t.me/pilotblog/4673

Russian soldiers, when trying to leave their positions, were immediately shot by their own troops.

[jmccr8]

 

[Unusual Tournament]

…seems to me Russian strategy is to draw Ukraine in front of its defensive networks, and use it as a kill zone to absorb this failing Ukraine counterattack. This would explain the disproportionate casualties the Ukrainians are sustaining. 

Another excellent point is who really believes the Russian military and its private contractors are arguing? I don’t. I recon it’s all mummery to give the impression of a failed Russian army. 

[Unusual Tournament]

…which, at this rate of attrition and destruction, Ukraine will be outta equipment and soldiers in 1 month.

[Alchopwn]

On 6/12/2023 at 4:55 AM, Occult1 said:

I expect Ukraine to retake some settlements but no major gains. What the counteroffensive will demonstrate is that there is a core 20% of Ukraine's territory that the Ukrainian military will not be able to get back. It would take overwhelming firepower, air support and at least a 3-to-1 ratio in manpower. The Russians have been entrenched  for over a year in the east and south and have corrected the deficiencies in their positions. How many people will need to die before the West realize the only way to resolve this conflict is negotiation?

It's early days yet. Wait, watch and learn.  The ax is going to fall, but Russia doesn't know where, and the anticipation is driving them crazy.

[Unusual Tournament]

8 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

It's early days yet. Wait, watch and learn.  The ax is going to fall, but Russia doesn't know where, and the anticipation is driving them crazy.

The Russians are enjoying artillery, air support and defensive positions and tactical advantage. 
 

The Ukrainians will not advance under these conditions 
 

The Russians are in control 

Edited June 16, 2023 by Unusual Tournament

[jmccr8]

56 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

The Russians are enjoying artillery, air support and defensive positions and tactical advantage. 
 

The Ukrainians will not advance under these conditions 
 

The Russians are in control 

Hi UT

Yes I am sure the Russian men and equipment really enjoyed being blown up by Ukrainian missiles and artillery. Seems like you cherry pick even Russian media as they reported that 200 men were assembled and waiting orders for over 2 hours for the commander to arrive and were hit with a missile.

Edited June 16, 2023 by jmccr8

[Occult1]

Russia says it inflicted heavy losses on Ukrainian forces trying to push forward

''MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's Defence Ministry said on Friday its forces had repelled numerous attempted counterattacks by the Ukrainian army at different frontline locations in the last 24 hours, inflicting heavy losses on Kyiv's forces.

Ukraine says its forces have recaptured at least seven villages and 100 square km (38 square miles) in the early stages of a counteroffensive it hopes will gather greater momentum as it commits more men.

In its daily update on fighting, Russia's defence ministry said it had inflicted significant losses on the enemy during what it described as unsuccessful Ukrainian counteroffensive operations in the South Donetsk and Donetsk directions.''

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/russia-says-it-inflicted-heavy-losses-on-ukrainian-forces-trying-to-push-forward/ar-AA1cCYYu

[Stiff]

4 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia says

Aaaaaand... that's where any and all credibility is lost.

You might as well start with 'Once upon a time'...

[Unusual Tournament]

Russian sources are claiming Ukrainian forces have begun to deploy a significant number of Electronic-Warfare system’s along the frontlines in the Donetsk region, resulting in heavy drone and loitering munitions losses by Russian forces, leading many to believe that a Ukrainian offensive is imminent.

[Occult1]

 

Interesting analysis from an Indian general. One interesting point he raises is that the Ukrainian gains in Kherson and Kharkov last year were made before Russia's partial mobilization. 80.000 of these reserve troops alone was deployed to strengthen the defensive lines which can help explain why this current Ukrainian offensive is not producing similar results.

Edited June 17, 2023 by Occult1

[jmccr8]

 

[Unusual Tournament]

16 hours ago, Occult1 said:

 

Interesting analysis from an Indian general. One interesting point he raises is that the Ukrainian gains in Kherson and Kharkov last year were made before Russia's partial mobilization. 80.000 of these reserve troops alone was deployed to strengthen the defensive lines which can help explain why this current Ukrainian offensive is not producing similar results.

After more than 2 weeks and with mixed results, it is obvious this Ukrainian counteroffensive hasn’t been thought out too well. 
 

Maybe the Indian general is right in stating Ukraine thought they could replicate the results in Kherson and Kharkov by simple force of arms.

[jmccr8]

53 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

After more than 2 weeks and with mixed results, it is obvious this Ukrainian counteroffensive hasn’t been thought out too well. 
 

Maybe the Indian general is right in stating Ukraine thought they could replicate the results in Kherson and Kharkov by simple force of arms.

Hi UT

Kind of early to say the counter offensive isn't working given you don't know what the plan is and the Ukrainians still have only sent in small groups of men into areas. We will have to wait and see what happens when they send in full forces that have been held back.

[Stiff]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

17 hours ago, Occult1 said:

After more than 2 weeks and with mixed results, it is obvious this Ukrainian counteroffensive hasn’t been thought out too well. 

 

[jmccr8]

 

[+Hammerclaw]

On 6/11/2023 at 9:26 PM, Unusual Tournament said:

The Ukrainians telegraphed this counterattack for so long is it any wonder why the Russians are so well entrenched 

The Russians have immobilized themselves behind fixed fortifications, surrendering the initiative to Ukraine. Once Ukraine penetrates their defensive line into the Russian rear echelon, they'll be cut off from supplies and will either retreat or surrender. 

[Unusual Tournament]

11 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

The Russians have immobilized themselves behind fixed fortifications, surrendering the initiative to Ukraine. Once Ukraine penetrates their defensive line into the Russian rear echelon, they'll be cut off from supplies and will either retreat or surrender. 

It would certainly shorten the war, destruction and death if Ukraine did defeat Russia’s extensive fortifications. 
 

Let’s have a look at them 

[Unusual Tournament]

[Trelane]

12 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Oh look, a graphic control aid with no contextual information.

This map shows locations but doesn't further describe what these defensive positions consist of. So, these maps are good for general points of reference but not for describing how this would slow or stop and offensive operation. 

Swing and a miss.... 

[Unusual Tournament]

Unconfirmed: 
 

Neo Nazi inspired Ukrainian military from the 10th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade "Edelweiss" surrendered en masse to the Russian soldiers of the 2nd Army Corps. 
 

Ukrainian offensive is collapsing.

[Stiff]

31 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Unconfirmed: 
 

Neo Nazi inspired Ukrainian military from the 10th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade "Edelweiss" surrendered en masse to the Russian soldiers of the 2nd Army Corps. 
 

Ukrainian offensive is collapsing.

Any sources? 

[Occult1]

 

[Trelane]

Desperate is probably the nicest way to frame it. Conscripts with outdated equipment and no sustainment is no way to maintain a defensive posture.

"Russia Putting Up ‘Desperate Resistance’ As Ukraine Offensive Move Forward"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-putting-up-desperate-resistance-as-ukraine-offensive-move-forward/ar-AA1cI1un?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=77397d4d6df34975b11707058b3f1f9d&ei=11

"Ukrainian military officials said on Friday that the ongoing counteroffensive in Ukraine’s southern and eastern regions is already delivering results for Kyiv, describing how Russian forces have put up a “desperate resistance” around the city of Bakhmut. Russia claimed to have taken full control of the eastern Ukrainian city in late May, though Ukrainian officials denied the claims at the time and said troops were encircling the city and preparing a new offensive."

"Writing on Telegram, the head of the Ukrainian ground forces, Colonel General Oleksandr Syrskyi, described how Russia is now deploying its most capable division to the Bakhmut region, backed by both artillery and aircraft."

"We continue to conduct offensive actions in separate directions, occupying dominant heights, and strips of forest with the aim of forcing the enemy gradually out of the outskirts of Bakhmut. Realising this, the enemy units put up desperate resistance," Syrskyi wrote."

 
"The news marks a change in Russia’s approach to the war, with both sides focusing primarily on the use of artillery systems, tanks, and drones, rather than deploying fighter jets. Analysts have speculated that Russia has so far deliberately refrained from deploying its most advanced aircraft over fears that they may be shot down by Ukrainian air-defense systems – losing Russia its most advanced aircraft at a time when every weapon counts."

 

Playing it safe so as not to lose aircraft at the expense of supporting ground elements? Not good Vladdy, not good at all.

[Duke Wellington]

I`ve seen some stories (I wont link too) where some Russian soldiers have put up videos of them castrating Ukrainian POWs with box cutter knives. Everyone has a search function, I`m not linking it.