jmccr8 Posted July 4, 2023 #126 Share Posted July 4, 2023 50 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: You’re running around in circles with this ‘Ukraine Is ready for a breakthrough’ nonsense. If Ukraine was gonna have a meaningful breakthrough it would have happened by now. If they manage too, they’ll be so exhausted it will just open the flood gates for the Russians to counterattack. Boundaries are now set for a ceasefire as soon as Ukraine calls, no more. Hi UT Not sure but it would seem your expectations of how the counter offensive is going doesn't mean much to the players in the field. Most of us understand that blowing the dam changed things somewhat. The Ukraine has been making gains although jets and longer range missiles would be of benefit but does not negate that they are working a plan. Russians are now using the reactors to try to confuse the issue and as long as the Ukraine keeps units in the area without striking near to the reactors there should be no problem on their part. Not sure what you think Russia's floodgate counter attack would be comprised of really since they have taken Wagner out of play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jmccr8 Posted July 4, 2023 #128 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Armed Forces of Ukraine advanced into the depth of enemy defense up to 2 km - press center of the Ukrainian armed Forces The Ukrainian military continues to advance along the south direction. Currently, the Defense Forces are expending positions on the taken lines 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 4, 2023 #129 Share Posted July 4, 2023 The advance of the Ukrainian military is slow. I know their fanboys don`t like hearing anything negative about their situation but they don`t have the man power, enough tanks, an air force to shoot down drones, and the Russians have been dug in for 6 months. On most of the front Ukraine has only made a few advancements, and most of them are into minefields. Their progress is very slow because they have to clear routes through the mines. And Russia are just sat back blasting them to bits with their huge supremacy in artillery. There is a mathematical game going on rather than a weak Russia, and Ukraine is getting slaughtered in it. At this stage I would say whatever Ukrainian generals developed this counteract plan should be sacked. Russia has turtled up the whole front line, and you don`t attack a turtled position as its very inefficient in terms of lost lives and assets. The best strategy Ukraine could use right now would be to wait for an Easterly wind, blow the nuclear power plant, wait for the Russians to flee the radiation, doze the Ukrainian soldiers up with iodine, and tell them to drive through the radioactive no go zone as fast as possible. Other than that at this stage it looks like they have lost the war. As soon as they are all burned out suiciding themselves on Russian turtled positions, Russia will just sweep across the country from the East and encounter little effective résistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted July 4, 2023 #130 Share Posted July 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: The advance of the Ukrainian military is slow. I know their fanboys don`t like hearing anything negative about their situation but they don`t have the man power, enough tanks, an air force to shoot down drones, and the Russians have been dug in for 6 months. On most of the front Ukraine has only made a few advancements, and most of them are into minefields. Their progress is very slow because they have to clear routes through the mines. And Russia are just sat back blasting them to bits with their huge supremacy in artillery. There is a mathematical game going on rather than a weak Russia, and Ukraine is getting slaughtered in it. At this stage I would say whatever Ukrainian generals developed this counteract plan should be sacked. Russia has turtled up the whole front line, and you don`t attack a turtled position as its very inefficient in terms of lost lives and assets. The best strategy Ukraine could use right now would be to wait for an Easterly wind, blow the nuclear power plant, wait for the Russians to flee the radiation, doze the Ukrainian soldiers up with iodine, and tell them to drive through the radioactive no go zone as fast as possible. Other than that at this stage it looks like they have lost the war. As soon as they are all burned out suiciding themselves on Russian turtled positions, Russia will just sweep across the country from the East and encounter little effective résistance. When the counter offensive ends up being a success quoting this will be fun. Also as of today who controls Mykolaiv, Odessa, and Kherson 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 4, 2023 Author #131 Share Posted July 4, 2023 54 minutes ago, DarkHunter said: Ukraine raised about 20 brigades for the counter offensive, only about 4 to 6 have seen combat yet. NATO summit is almost here and nothing to show but 500-1000 casualties a day. Unsustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 4, 2023 #132 Share Posted July 4, 2023 30 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: NATO summit is almost here and nothing to show but 500-1000 casualties a day. Unsustainable. Ukraine has lost unless it changes its strategy. I would suggest going into Russia then down behind their eastern flank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted July 4, 2023 #133 Share Posted July 4, 2023 34 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: NATO summit is almost here and nothing to show but 500-1000 casualties a day. Unsustainable. Ukraine has liberated approximately 323 squared km since the counter offensive started, Bakhmut is nearing being cut off from the north and south by Ukraine, Ukraine is breaking through if not having already broken through the 2nd hardest defensive line of 3 near Robotyne, and if the reports are accurate Ukraine has forced Russia to use most if not all of its reserve forces already while Ukraine hasnt even committed its main attack force or its reserves yet. On confirmed vehicle losses the ratio is near 1 to 1 to 3 times as many Russian losses as Ukranian losses in terms of vehicles. Recently most of the lost Bradley and Leopard 2 tanks have been recovered by Ukraine and are being repaired. Lastly there is nothing that requires Ukraine to of had or reached some milestone by the NATO summit. Only people putting emphasis on the NATO summit are people online and the occasional report speculating that Ukraine will want a large success before it starts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unusual Tournament Posted July 5, 2023 Author #135 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, DarkHunter said: Ukraine has liberated approximately 323 squared km since the counter offensive started, Bakhmut is nearing being cut off from the north and south by Ukraine, Ukraine is breaking through if not having already broken through the 2nd hardest defensive line of 3 near Robotyne, and if the reports are accurate Ukraine has forced Russia to use most if not all of its reserve forces already while Ukraine hasnt even committed its main attack force or its reserves yet. On confirmed vehicle losses the ratio is near 1 to 1 to 3 times as many Russian losses as Ukranian losses in terms of vehicles. Recently most of the lost Bradley and Leopard 2 tanks have been recovered by Ukraine and are being repaired. Lastly there is nothing that requires Ukraine to of had or reached some milestone by the NATO summit. Only people putting emphasis on the NATO summit are people online and the occasional report speculating that Ukraine will want a large success before it starts. I do not believe an entrenched Russia defensive line is taking that much damage. This counterattack was not swift and successful for Kiev. On another note, Russia is evacuating the areas around the nuclear plant. Not good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 5, 2023 Author #136 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Electric Scooter said: Ukraine has lost unless it changes its strategy. I would suggest going into Russia then down behind their eastern flank. Ukraine has proven to stop Russian advances in their tracts and the Russians have just returned the favour. It’s now a stalemate. They’re just jockeying for eventual peace talks in guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted July 5, 2023 #137 Share Posted July 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: I do not believe an entrenched Russia defensive line is taking that much damage. This counterattack was not swift and successful for Kiev. On another note, Russia is evacuating the areas around the nuclear plant. Not good! You can believe whatever you want but there are pictures and videos of destroyed Russian tanks, a lot if destroyed Russian artillery, and destroyed Russian anti-air systems. There are also a lot of videos of Ukranian successfully clearing Russian trenches but those videos cant be posted here due to the amount of Russian soldiers killed in them 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted July 5, 2023 #138 Share Posted July 5, 2023 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.newsweek.com/makiivka-russia-explosion-ammunition-depot-1810888%3Famp%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwjX4fadjPj_AhWWMjQIHfFrA18QFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0rYRqOAqT102Ji_DJltJMj Footage has shown a huge explosion in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region after Kyiv said it had targeted a Russian ammunition base in Moscow-held territory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 5, 2023 Author #139 Share Posted July 5, 2023 On 7/5/2023 at 7:40 AM, Electric Scooter said: The advance of the Ukrainian military is slow. I know their fanboys don`t like hearing anything negative about their situation but they don`t have the man power, enough tanks, an air force to shoot down drones, and the Russians have been dug in for 6 months. On most of the front Ukraine has only made a few advancements, and most of them are into minefields. Their progress is very slow because they have to clear routes through the mines. And Russia are just sat back blasting them to bits with their huge supremacy in artillery. There is a mathematical game going on rather than a weak Russia, and Ukraine is getting slaughtered in it. At this stage I would say whatever Ukrainian generals developed this counteract plan should be sacked. Russia has turtled up the whole front line, and you don`t attack a turtled position as its very inefficient in terms of lost lives and assets. The best strategy Ukraine could use right now would be to wait for an Easterly wind, blow the nuclear power plant, wait for the Russians to flee the radiation, doze the Ukrainian soldiers up with iodine, and tell them to drive through the radioactive no go zone as fast as possible. Other than that at this stage it looks like they have lost the war. As soon as they are all burned out suiciding themselves on Russian turtled positions, Russia will just sweep across the country from the East and encounter little effective résistance. A case of meters more than kilometres for the Ukrainians. There a rumours that Biden is prepared to accept Ukrainian controlled territories into NATO because this counterattack has the potential to break into pieces and allow Putin to take even more. You talk about Ukrainian Generals well what we might have there is a parallel state with the army in charge of itself and Zelensky and Co the face of Ukraine, both working only nominally together. Maybe the plan’s failure has more to do with winning general acceptance for a compromise. A compromise that in all honesty has been American policy from the beginning. It’s evident in the trickle of armaments and their supplies. NATO summit in Vilnius will be very interesting on many levels and deserves a thread of its own in due course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 5, 2023 Author #140 Share Posted July 5, 2023 21 hours ago, DarkHunter said: You can believe whatever you want but there are pictures and videos of destroyed Russian tanks, a lot if destroyed Russian artillery, and destroyed Russian anti-air systems. There are also a lot of videos of Ukranian successfully clearing Russian trenches but those videos cant be posted here due to the amount of Russian soldiers killed in them This war deserves a host of movie awards from both East and West for best propaganda, Red Flag, screenplay, wardrobe and best actors. A gala night to remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 5, 2023 #141 Share Posted July 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: A case of meters more than kilometres for the Ukrainians. There a rumours that Biden is prepared to accept Ukrainian controlled territories into NATO because this counterattack has the potential to break into pieces and allow Putin to take even more. You talk about Ukrainian Generals well what we might have there is a parallel state with the army in charge of itself and Zelensky and Co the face of Ukraine, both working only nominally together. Maybe the plan’s failure has more to do with winning general acceptance for a compromise. A compromise that in all honesty has been American policy from the beginning. It’s evident in the trickle of armaments and their supplies. NATO summit in Vilnius will be very interesting on many levels and deserves a thread of its own in due course. Russia are playing a maths game. Ukraine need to switch tactics because if they keep hemming men at their current rate in a few months Russia will just sweep across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted July 5, 2023 #142 Share Posted July 5, 2023 20 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: This war deserves a host of movie awards from both East and West for best propaganda, Red Flag, screenplay, wardrobe and best actors. A gala night to remember Hi UT Let me know if they do have an award night, I will nominate you for best ham actor and contortionist. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 5, 2023 Author #143 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Electric Scooter said: Russia are playing a maths game. Ukraine need to switch tactics because if they keep hemming men at their current rate in a few months Russia will just sweep across the country. Don’t think there is an easy way to beat an entrenched Russian army that has learned from the mistakes of the past by repeating those very same Russian mistakes. Modern portable weapons and AI are changing the face of the battlefield. WW1/2 tactics will not evidently work. Another little known Russian success has been its extensive use of EW. Ukraine needs digital weapons, AI, swarm drones and long range range missiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankenhunter Posted July 6, 2023 #144 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) @jmccr8 Looks like Ukraine had their fireworks display on pooties dime. That was a big bada boom with lots of satellite booms. Slava Ukraine! Edited July 6, 2023 by Hankenhunter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jmccr8 Posted July 6, 2023 #146 Share Posted July 6, 2023 36 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said: @jmccr8 Looks like Ukraine had their fireworks display on pooties dime. That was a big bada boom with lots of satellite booms. Slava Ukraine! Hi Hank They also blew up a fuel storage site iin the same town. That will create supply problems for now hopefully they hit a few more ammo and fuel storage sites along the front line to keep the pressure on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 6, 2023 #147 Share Posted July 6, 2023 12 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Hank They also blew up a fuel storage site iin the same town. That will create supply problems for now hopefully they hit a few more ammo and fuel storage sites along the front line to keep the pressure on. The Ukrainians have become exceedingly efficient and effective locating and eliminating Russian sustainment routes and nodes. If you can't resupply your forces, you can win the fight. If I were Russian commanders, I would start getting really suspicious of folks inside my ranks. Loose lips are getting ammunition depots demolished. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted July 6, 2023 #148 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Lools like the US will be supplying cluster bombs to the Ukraine so that will help clearing land mines and trenches. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/07/06/us-reportedly-sending-cluster-bombs-to-ukraine-heres-why-they-are-so-controversial/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjDytm3zPr_AhUrIDQIHf2eDdkQFnoECDgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3MV1mdTMaQP2XP4-XLl2Vl The U.S. is expected to announce Thursday that it will supply Ukraine with cluster munitions, according to the New York Times, a controversial weapon that has faced bans because of its potential to injure or kill civilians. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz_Light_Year Posted July 6, 2023 #149 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Lools like the US will be supplying cluster bombs to the Ukraine so that will help clearing land mines and trenches. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/07/06/us-reportedly-sending-cluster-bombs-to-ukraine-heres-why-they-are-so-controversial/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjDytm3zPr_AhUrIDQIHf2eDdkQFnoECDgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3MV1mdTMaQP2XP4-XLl2Vl The U.S. is expected to announce Thursday that it will supply Ukraine with cluster munitions, according to the New York Times, a controversial weapon that has faced bans because of its potential to injure or kill civilians. Image of Russian cluster munitions that have been used on Ukraine. Ukraine has admitted to using cluster munitions 3 times, but that is just what they've said. Edited July 6, 2023 by Buzz_Light_Year 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz_Light_Year Posted July 6, 2023 #150 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Here's a video of a man that was in a cluster bomb attack by the Russians. Quote Ukrainian journalist Andriy Dubchak barely escaped with his life as he came under cluster-bomb attack. The weapons are widely banned, but both Russia and Ukraine are accused of using them. The attack blew out his car's windows, ripped through the vehicle, and fragments even tore through his pants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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