jmccr8 Posted July 6, 2023 #151 Share Posted July 6, 2023 To hold the counteroffensive of Ukraine, Russia had to transfer troops to the front from the border with China (!), - British intelligence The 58th Combined Arms Army was sent to the Zaporozhye region, which is "responsible for the security" of the Caucasian region of Russia, and in the Velika Novoselka area there is the 5th Combined Arms Army of the Russian Federation and the Marine Corps, usually based 7000 km away as a counterbalance to the Chinese army. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz_Light_Year Posted July 7, 2023 #152 Share Posted July 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: To hold the counteroffensive of Ukraine, Russia had to transfer troops to the front from the border with China (!), - British intelligence The 58th Combined Arms Army was sent to the Zaporozhye region, which is "responsible for the security" of the Caucasian region of Russia, and in the Velika Novoselka area there is the 5th Combined Arms Army of the Russian Federation and the Marine Corps, usually based 7000 km away as a counterbalance to the Chinese army. That's funny! I remember reading several decades ago that the Russians had no less than 45 tank divisions on the Chinese border. Of course they really weren't too chummy in those days. They're probably not all that friendly today as they just see each other as nothing more than a means to an end. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unusual Tournament Posted July 7, 2023 Author #154 Share Posted July 7, 2023 14 hours ago, Buzz_Light_Year said: Image of Russian cluster munitions that have been used on Ukraine. Ukraine has admitted to using cluster munitions 3 times, but that is just what they've said. The Russians have no moral high ground, they have extensively mined the b*****y outta the battlefield, so why should Ukraine not use cluster bombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 7, 2023 Author #155 Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/5/2023 at 7:46 AM, DarkHunter said: When the counter offensive ends up being a success quoting this will be fun. Also as of today who controls Mykolaiv, Odessa, and Kherson Zelensky is now rightfully claiming slow promised NATO weapons deliveries have failed the counterattack that is now moving from the goal of taking back territory to “exhausting” Russian forces by assaulting them is laughable at best, and embarrassing for the upcoming summit. Yes, by all means, I look forward to re-quoting you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted July 7, 2023 #156 Share Posted July 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said: Zelensky is now rightfully claiming slow promised NATO weapons deliveries have failed the counterattack that is now moving from the goal of taking back territory to “exhausting” Russian forces by assaulting them is laughable at best, and embarrassing for the upcoming summit. Yes, by all means, I look forward to re-quoting you The same just said in other words. Exhaust muscovites -> taking back territory. Do you expect meat grinder "russky style" assault from Ukrainians? Zaluzhny knows better. Many lives lost due to Western sissies. Give Ukrainians all weapons they require, like your fathers/grandfathers supplied Brits/USSR/other allies. And no, Ukraine won't turn being USSR 2.0. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 7, 2023 #157 Share Posted July 7, 2023 46 minutes ago, bmk1245 said: The same just said in other words. Exhaust muscovites -> taking back territory. Do you expect meat grinder "russky style" assault from Ukrainians? Zaluzhny knows better. Many lives lost due to Western sissies. Give Ukrainians all weapons they require, like your fathers/grandfathers supplied Brits/USSR/other allies. And no, Ukraine won't turn being USSR 2.0. US confirmed they're sending cluster munitions to Ukraine. Watch this space. Or watch the space where those minefields used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted July 7, 2023 #158 Share Posted July 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, Setton said: US confirmed they're sending cluster munitions to Ukraine. Watch this space. Or watch the space where those minefields used to be. Good. Should include thermobaric munition, as well. Muscovites don't play fair, we(NATO) shouldn't play fair as well. Beat the cheater with better cheats. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted July 7, 2023 #159 Share Posted July 7, 2023 34 minutes ago, Setton said: US confirmed they're sending cluster munitions to Ukraine. Watch this space. Or watch the space where those minefields used to be. Good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 7, 2023 Author #160 Share Posted July 7, 2023 5 hours ago, bmk1245 said: The same just said in other words. Exhaust muscovites -> taking back territory. Do you expect meat grinder "russky style" assault from Ukrainians? Zaluzhny knows better. Many lives lost due to Western sissies. Give Ukrainians all weapons they require, like your fathers/grandfathers supplied Brits/USSR/other allies. And no, Ukraine won't turn being USSR 2.0. The meat grinder is somewhat different these days. The Russians have adapted and learnt from their mistakes. They have digitised their army, become more realistic in what they can and cannot do, and using time to their advantage. The West saved Ukraine from being split into smaller Russian provinces BUT they cannot do anything about the 20% Russia controls. This is something Zelensky will have to sell to his people. One another note. I had a discussion with old mate Hellen about Zelensky’s future and ‘use by date’. I told her he should have left 6 months ago, because his name will be tarnished by the inevitability of the West allowing the Russians to take 20% of Ukraine. The West saved Ukraine but not all of it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 7, 2023 Author #161 Share Posted July 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Setton said: US confirmed they're sending cluster munitions to Ukraine. Watch this space. Or watch the space where those minefields used to be. No big deal as Ukraine already gets cluster munitions from Turkey and many suspect Britain also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 7, 2023 #162 Share Posted July 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: The meat grinder is somewhat different these days. The Russians have adapted and learnt from their mistakes. They have digitised their army, become more realistic in what they can and cannot do, and using time to their advantage. The West saved Ukraine from being split into smaller Russian provinces BUT they cannot do anything about the 20% Russia controls. This is something Zelensky will have to sell to his people. One another note. I had a discussion with old mate Hellen about Zelensky’s future and ‘use by date’. I told her he should have left 6 months ago, because his name will be tarnished by the inevitability of the West allowing the Russians to take 20% of Ukraine. The West saved Ukraine but not all of it! Viva Parta Ukraina lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted July 7, 2023 #163 Share Posted July 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: The meat grinder is somewhat different these days. The Russians have adapted and learnt from their mistakes. They have digitised their army, become more realistic in what they can and cannot do, and using time to their advantage. The West saved Ukraine from being split into smaller Russian provinces BUT they cannot do anything about the 20% Russia controls. This is something Zelensky will have to sell to his people. One another note. I had a discussion with old mate Hellen about Zelensky’s future and ‘use by date’. I told her he should have left 6 months ago, because his name will be tarnished by the inevitability of the West allowing the Russians to take 20% of Ukraine. The West saved Ukraine but not all of it! So far, west did''nt saved Ukraine, just stalled muscovite advance. On some fronts muscovites get their bottoms kicked, and hard. Give Ukrainians what they need, and war will end. What muscovites have, just nuclear scare... Boo Hoo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 7, 2023 #164 Share Posted July 7, 2023 24 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: No big deal as Ukraine already gets cluster munitions from Turkey and many suspect Britain also. Unlikely seeing as Britain doesn't have any. We signed the convention against them. And Ukraine has run very low on what they did have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted July 7, 2023 #165 Share Posted July 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: Viva Parta Ukraina lol Dude, don't be so smart... Israelis hunted down way more snarter folks... And Ukrainians are better ar that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 7, 2023 Author #166 Share Posted July 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Setton said: Unlikely seeing as Britain doesn't have any. We signed the convention against them. And Ukraine has run very low on what they did have. Knowing the British zealotry for destroying Russia, buying them from other governments and reexporting to Ukraine, would not be outta the question. Against the wishes of the U.S. they released Storm Shadow missiles, drawing the irritation of Biden to the point that UK Defence Minister Ben Wallace will not be getting the top job at NATO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 7, 2023 Author #167 Share Posted July 7, 2023 14 minutes ago, bmk1245 said: So far, west did''nt saved Ukraine, just stalled muscovite advance. On some fronts muscovites get their bottoms kicked, and hard. Give Ukrainians what they need, and war will end. What muscovites have, just nuclear scare... Boo Hoo. Russia made far too many mistakes at the beginning of the conflict and wasted precious manpower and equipment to be a problem to Ukraine for decades and by then Ukraine (assuming Turkey and Hungary realign with NATO) will be a part of NATO or have direct American security guarantees. Ukraine is a patient that will lose a limb but live. For this they should be very thankful for surviving a bear attack that they instigated at the behest of others. Lesson learnt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 7, 2023 #168 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said: Knowing the British zealotry for destroying Russia, buying them from other governments and reexporting to Ukraine, would not be outta the question. Well, yes it would you see because we aren't able to buy, import, manufacture or export them. Quote Against the wishes of the U.S. they released Storm Shadow missiles, drawing the irritation of Biden to the point that UK Defence Minister Ben Wallace will not be getting the top job at NATO. Did we sign a treaty saying we wouldn't export missiles? Didn't think so. Not exactly relevant is it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted July 7, 2023 #169 Share Posted July 7, 2023 I'd heard rumors that with the cluster munitions we were also giving them longer ranged ATACMS. I assume they'll use those on Crimea but if they begin striking inside Russia with them, things could get more complicated. Oh well, no worries, Joe's on the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted July 8, 2023 #170 Share Posted July 8, 2023 For anyone interested in why the Ukranian counter offensive seems to be moving slowly there is this thread. Basically Ukraine is trying to degrade Russia's ability to organize and react effectively but Ukraine isn't able to use thousands of fighter aircraft to strike targets over a few weeks time like America did in the first gulf war, arguably the best comparison to Ukraine at the moment, so they have to use different and slower methods to degrade the Russian military before the main ground strike. The guy who made that twitter thread is a retired major general so presumably he does have some experience on the subject. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jmccr8 Posted July 8, 2023 #172 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, and-then said: I'd heard rumors that with the cluster munitions we were also giving them longer ranged ATACMS. I assume they'll use those on Crimea but if they begin striking inside Russia with them, things could get more complicated. Oh well, no worries, Joe's on the case. Hi And Then Yes they announced on Thursday that they would get them. Would think that they would try to isolate Crimea and strike command, fuel, ammo and transit targets and secure land then take out Crimea Edited July 8, 2023 by jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 8, 2023 Author #173 Share Posted July 8, 2023 36 minutes ago, DarkHunter said: For anyone interested in why the Ukranian counter offensive seems to be moving slowly there is this thread. Basically Ukraine is trying to degrade Russia's ability to organize and react effectively but Ukraine isn't able to use thousands of fighter aircraft to strike targets over a few weeks time like America did in the first gulf war, arguably the best comparison to Ukraine at the moment, so they have to use different and slower methods to degrade the Russian military before the main ground strike. The guy who made that twitter thread is a retired major general so presumably he does have some experience on the subject. Huh! Mick Ryan is clueless and doesn’t have the capacity to think for himself. I engaged him at the beginning of the war, and confronted him with his blind zealotry that Russia was going to be kicked outta Ukraine in 3 months. 20 months later Mick decidedly has changed his tune. hilarious old Mick got caught up in Javalinitis Speaking of Javelin's. Iran has started production of its reverse engineered version, Russia is not far behind. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 8, 2023 Author #174 Share Posted July 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, and-then said: I wouldn't be so sure. Joe may get 85 million votes next year... Not sure I understand what you’re saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 8, 2023 Author #175 Share Posted July 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Setton said: Well, yes it would you see because we aren't able to buy, import, manufacture or export them. Did we sign a treaty saying we wouldn't export missiles? Didn't think so. Not exactly relevant is it? Don’t be naive, Setton. What a country says, does and sign are not always practiced to the letter. The UK can order from Turkish stocks and have them shipped directly to Ukraine. The point is the UK and Poland are the staunchest supporters of Ukraine and the two most likely allies to be asymmetrically attacked by Russia as a consequence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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