Current Ukrainian counteroffensives

[DarkHunter]

20 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Huh! Mick Ryan is clueless and doesn’t have the capacity to think for himself. I engaged him at the beginning of the war, and confronted him with his blind zealotry that Russia was going to be kicked outta Ukraine in 3 months. 20 months later Mick decidedly has changed his tune. hilarious old Mick got caught up in Javalinitis 

Speaking of Javelin's. Iran has started production of its reverse engineered version, Russia is not far behind. 
 

 

More complete and utter garbage coming from you, not exactly surprising.  

First why should anyone believe that you engaged with a retired major general with absolutely no proof whatsoever to back up what you are claiming.

Second I dont think you understand the javelin missile.  The javelin missile isnt exactly new and it's not a secret it has direct and top down attack mode.  Any country capable of making a guided missile is capable of making a weapon system equivalent to the javelin missile.  For example the Russian 9M133 Kornet anti-tank missile, which came out in 1998, has the exact same capabilities as the American javelin missile.

Iran has a license from Russia to produce it's own domestic variant so Iran doesnt need to acquire and reverse engineer a javelin missile as they are already building an equivalent missile.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Not sure I understand what you’re saying. 

That as long as there is a Democrat in the Oval Office, the funds will keep being provided laundered through Ukraine and the dying will continue.  I was referring to the ridiculous idea that a guy who never left his basement actually got 81 MILLION legitimate votes in 2020.  Hey, if poopy pants can do it once, why not twice?  

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

More complete and utter garbage coming from you, not exactly surprising.  

First why should anyone believe that you engaged with a retired major general with absolutely no proof whatsoever to back up what you are claiming.

Second I dont think you understand the javelin missile.  The javelin missile isnt exactly new and it's not a secret it has direct and top down attack mode.  Any country capable of making a guided missile is capable of making a weapon system equivalent to the javelin missile.  For example the Russian 9M133 Kornet anti-tank missile, which came out in 1998, has the exact same capabilities as the American javelin missile.

Iran has a license from Russia to produce it's own domestic variant so Iran doesnt need to acquire and reverse engineer a javelin missile as they are already building an equivalent missile.

Javelin missile: it’s not comparable with a Kornet. Kornet are wired guided while Javelin’s are optical targeted with fire forget move. Meaning it’s less encumbered by physical terrain, can be soft launched from confined spaces without any wire connections. The electronics and optical components are a generation ahead of the Kornet. If it wasn’t then why would they reverse engineer it? 
 

One of the main reasons Israel will not send any of its weapons to Ukraine due to them falling into Russian hands by conquest or black market. 
 

Follow General Mark Milley. He’s relevant and more importantly not a social media wannabe. I engaged Mick on Twitter. I follow him sand read enough to know he does not venture far from MSM 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Unusual Tournament

[Unusual Tournament]

54 minutes ago, and-then said:

That as long as there is a Democrat in the Oval Office, the funds will keep being provided laundered through Ukraine and the dying will continue.  I was referring to the ridiculous idea that a guy who never left his basement actually got 81 MILLION legitimate votes in 2020.  Hey, if poopy pants can do it once, why not twice?  

I disagree. Biden is doing a great job in holding back Russian revisionism using old and outdated weapons. These weapons have a nominal value NOT a true cost. The precedent for other Presidents how to act in the future to warmongers is gonna be huge. Regardless of the Biden family indiscretions, America is feared again   

[DarkHunter]

53 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Javelin missile: it’s not comparable with a Kornet. Kornet are wired guided while Javelin’s are optical targeted with fire forget move. Meaning it’s less encumbered by physical terrain, can be soft launched from confined spaces without any wire connections. The electronics and optical components are a generation ahead of the Kornet. If it wasn’t then why would they reverse engineer it? 

You honestly have no idea about Russian weapon systems do you.  The 9M133 Kornet, which was deployed two years after the javelin came out, is laser guided.  What you are thinking of is the 9K111 Fagot which is wire guided.  But as with most things you post the information you say is just factually inaccurate.  

59 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

One of the main reasons Israel will not send any of its weapons to Ukraine due to them falling into Russian hands by conquest or black market. 

The main reason Israel isnt sending weapons to Ukraine is that Russia has been allowing Israeli jets to bomb targets in Syria with no real opposition and Israel doesnt want to risk angering Russia and having the Syrian S-400, manned by Russian crews, used against Israeli jets and cruise missiles.

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Follow General Mark Milley. He’s relevant and more importantly not a social media wannabe. I engaged Mick on Twitter. I follow him sand read enough to know he does not venture far from MSM 

You have presented no proof of ever having engaged with Mick Ryan but have shown you have little to no understanding of what you are talking about.  Even in this thread you claimed the Kornet is wire guided when it simply isnt.

[bmk1245]

10 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Russia made far too many mistakes at the beginning of the conflict and wasted precious manpower and equipment to be a problem to Ukraine for decades and by then Ukraine (assuming Turkey and Hungary realign with NATO) will be a part of NATO or have direct American security guarantees.
 

Ukraine is a patient that will lose a limb but live. For this they should be very thankful for surviving a bear attack that they instigated at the behest of others. Lesson learnt. 

Well, there are examples when superpower retreats, see Vietnam. And muscovites aren't superpower, just second powerful army in Ukraine...

[Setton]

6 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Don’t be naive, Setton. What a country says, does and sign are not always practiced to the letter. The UK can order from Turkish stocks and have them shipped directly to Ukraine. 
 

The point is the UK and Poland are the staunchest supporters of Ukraine and the two most likely allies to be asymmetrically attacked by Russia as a consequence 

And which civil servant do you think I'd doing the paperwork for a blatantly illegal purpose.

[Unusual Tournament]

3 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

You honestly have no idea about Russian weapon systems do you.  The 9M133 Kornet, which was deployed two years after the javelin came out, is laser guided.  What you are thinking of is the 9K111 Fagot which is wire guided.  But as with most things you post the information you say is just factually inaccurate.  

The main reason Israel isnt sending weapons to Ukraine is that Russia has been allowing Israeli jets to bomb targets in Syria with no real opposition and Israel doesnt want to risk angering Russia and having the Syrian S-400, manned by Russian crews, used against Israeli jets and cruise missiles.

You have presented no proof of ever having engaged with Mick Ryan but have shown you have little to no understanding of what you are talking about.  Even in this thread you claimed the Kornet is wire guided when it simply isnt.

Kornet is a wire guided missile 

[godnodog]

3 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

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You have presented no proof of ever having engaged with Mick Ryan but have shown you have little to no understanding of what you are talking about.  Even in this thread you claimed the Kornet is wire guided when it simply isnt.

what does it matter if he engaged with the M.R.

Did the credible retired high rank militarily  replied to the keyboard warrior? 

[Unusual Tournament]

53 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

Well, there are examples when superpower retreats, see Vietnam. And muscovites aren't superpower, just second powerful army in Ukraine...

Afghanistan is another for both America and the then Soviet Union. 

[Unusual Tournament]

12 minutes ago, Setton said:

And which civil servant do you think I'd doing the paperwork for a blatantly illegal purpose.

The list is very long. Things are hid in boxes, underneath mountains of paperwork, in wrongfully labeled boxes in warehouses that shouldn’t exist. 

[bmk1245]

1 minute ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Afghanistan is another for both America and the then Soviet Union. 

Yeap, another example. Afghanistan broke (helped to) the spine of USSR, USA still stands.

[Unusual Tournament]

11 minutes ago, godnodog said:

what does it matter if he engaged with the M.R.

Did the credible retired high rank militarily  replied to the keyboard warrior? 

Ignore his Darkness. If he wasn’t raging and spitting brimstone for no apparent reason, he would have read I engaged MR on Twitter. 
 

(edit to add) for your information yes he did and I can safely say I was right and Mr Credible Mick Ryan was wrong. Like the rest of you

Edited July 8, 2023 by Unusual Tournament

[Unusual Tournament]

2 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

Yeap, another example. Afghanistan broke (helped to) the spine of USSR, USA still stands.

I agree. Russia is different since the war is on its doorstep and has threatened a nuclear response. 

[godnodog]

25 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Ignore his Darkness. If he wasn’t raging and spitting brimstone for no apparent reason, he would have read I engaged MR on Twitter. 
 

(edit to add) for your information yes he did and I can safely say I was right and Mr Credible Mick Ryan was wrong. Like the rest of you

seems legit

 

(sarcasm)

Edited July 8, 2023 by godnodog

[bmk1245]

2 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I agree. Russia is different since the war is on its doorstep and has threatened a nuclear response. 

And how that threatening goes? Drones over muscovy capitol city, incursions into Belgorod county...

When you have high brass/officials invested in Western countries, case of nuclear response is slim, in my honest opinion.

[Unusual Tournament]

14 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

And how that threatening goes? Drones over muscovy capitol city, incursions into Belgorod county...

When you have high brass/officials invested in Western countries, case of nuclear response is slim, in my honest opinion.

Why must it be a nuclear tactical response? Why wouldn’t a vengeful Russia not just export missile technology and nuclear weapons to rogue countries and terrorists? The list is endless. At least the Americans know that it’s a delicate situation where rights, interests and common sense need to be carefully considered and balanced. Better a rules based semi-compliant Russia than not

[bmk1245]

10 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Why must it be a nuclear tactical response? Why wouldn’t a vengeful Russia not just export missile technology and nuclear weapons to rogue countries and terrorists? The list is endless. At least the Americans know that it’s a delicate situation where rights, interests and common sense need to be carefully considered and balanced. Better a rules based semi-compliant Russia than not

Chinese would not be happy, as nuclear weapon exports may reach Uyghur militant groups...

[Still Waters]

US President Joe Biden has defended his "very difficult decision" to give Ukraine cluster bombs, which have a record of killing civilians.

The president said it had taken him "a while to be convinced to do it", but he had acted because "the Ukrainians are running out of ammunition". Ukraine's leader hailed the "timely" move.

But the UK's PM suggested the country "discourages" the use of cluster bombs, while Spain criticised the decision.

Human rights groups and some Democrats have also spoken against the decision, while Moscow accused the US of "cynicism".

Cluster bombs are banned by more than 120 countries, but have been used by both Russia and Ukraine during the war.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66140460

[bmk1245]

7 minutes ago, Still Waters said:

US President Joe Biden has defended his "very difficult decision" to give Ukraine cluster bombs, which have a record of killing civilians.

The president said it had taken him "a while to be convinced to do it", but he had acted because "the Ukrainians are running out of ammunition". Ukraine's leader hailed the "timely" move.

But the UK's PM suggested the country "discourages" the use of cluster bombs, while Spain criticised the decision.

Human rights groups and some Democrats have also spoken against the decision, while Moscow accused the US of "cynicism".

Cluster bombs are banned by more than 120 countries, but have been used by both Russia and Ukraine during the war.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66140460

Those "Human rights groups" are the worst, I'd drag them to the frontline...

US have thermobaric munitions, give it to Ukraine as well.

[Setton]

4 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

The list is very long. Things are hid in boxes, underneath mountains of paperwork, in wrongfully labeled boxes in warehouses that shouldn’t exist. 

You watch too many films and not enough reality.

[Buzz_Light_Year]

4 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Kornet is a wire guided missile 

Laser guided.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43568802/russian-kornet-missiles/

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Kornet uses a semi-active laser homing system. On the battlefield, the gunner lines up an enemy tank in his sights and then fires. The Kornet system paints the tank with a laser beam, and the anti-tank missile homes in on the laser; the gunner merely has to keep the missile sight on target until the missile hits its target. Kornet doesn’t use radio signals for course corrections or infrared homing, so is therefore un-jammable.

 

[DarkHunter]

4 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Kornet is a wire guided missile 

You do understand that just saying the Kornet is wire guided does not make it so right.

From wikipedia 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M133_Kornet?wprov=sfla1

Any quick google search will return the same information that the Kornet is laser guided and not wire guided.  Another case of you being wrong, having no idea what you are talking about, and essentially resorting to trolling tactics to cover everything up.

[Trelane]

4 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Those "Human rights groups" are the worst, I'd drag them to the frontline...

US have thermobaric munitions, give it to Ukraine as well.

I personally think the negotiating thermobaric munitions might be completely off the table. The U.S has far more innovative and exotic weapons, but we are not divulging them or releasing them for good reason. It's not like the DoD is holding a yard sale for them. I think for now what has and is being provided is enough. Hell, the amount of armor provided thus far can constitute almost two full armor divisions. Thankfully the Ukrainians have been judicious in their use and understand the second and third order of effects in deployment of donated equipment.

[CrimsonKing]

17 minutes ago, Trelane said:

I personally think the negotiating thermobaric munitions might be completely off the table. The U.S has far more innovative and exotic weapons, but we are not divulging them or releasing them for good reason. It's not like the DoD is holding a yard sale for them. I think for now what has and is being provided is enough. Hell, the amount of armor provided thus far can constitute almost two full armor divisions. Thankfully the Ukrainians have been judicious in their use and understand the second and third order of effects in deployment of donated equipment.

The US is learning new ways to use certain weapons systems in a much different kind of battlefield environment than our recent adventures in the Middle East as well...