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Is our "reality" real?


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It's been touched on by a number of films and sci-fi shows like this one..:)-

https://youtu.be/gCgR5mwSgxE

PS- have i posted that vid link alright? Can everybody see the vid okay?
 

 

 

 

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Is our "reality" real?

Mine is, your mileage may differ.

 

Your link is good; but here's the embedded (YouTube loads slowly on some connections).

 

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Okay, so if reality isn't real Crikey, what is the alternative hypothesis you are proposing? I'll address it logically whatever you say.

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It's just another twist on the age old question:  If God created everything, where did God come from?  Supposing that our reality is a simulation, then we can  extrapolate that 'simulation' question to the one's running the simulation.  Is their reality real or just a simulation, and on, and on, and on.

Reality is a perception of the universe around us.  Regardless of that perception, the universe is what it is...whether or not there is anyone to perceive anything or not.  For every living creature on Earth, there is a separate reality...their own personal reality.   It is how we perceive the actual reality that generates that personal reality.  One may see the cup as half empty, another might see it as half full, and then another might always see it as overflowing with possibility.  

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On 6/17/2023 at 11:10 AM, Alchopwn said:

Okay, so if reality isn't real Crikey, what is the alternative hypothesis you are proposing? I'll address it logically whatever you say.

 

There are many alternative hypotheses so if anybody wants to toss them into the playpen we can have fun kicking them around..:)

For example quantum theory has got scientists scratching theit heads like crazy-

"The  atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts"
– Prof. Werner Heisenberg (Nobel Prize winner in Physics)

The 'Double Slit Experiment, in particular seems to have got them baffled because inexplicably the photons change their behaviour as if they know when they're being studied-

 

 

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Well, I'm trying to understand how my philosophy of non-dualism (God and creation are not-two)  and Advaita Vedanta (Hindu philosophy) fits in with this simulation hypothesis. 

Brahman/God can perhaps be said to be the creator of this simulation, but a ray of that God consciousness animates all things and entities. Hence, we can consider ourselves the simulated and the simulator at the same time. The game of our existence is then to recognize the true nature of the simulation.

Deep thoughts!

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On 6/17/2023 at 12:53 PM, joc said:

It's just another twist on the age old question:  If God created everything, where did God come from?  Supposing that our reality is a simulation, then we can  extrapolate that 'simulation' question to the one's running the simulation.  Is their reality real or just a simulation, and on, and on, and on.

Reality is a perception of the universe around us.  Regardless of that perception, the universe is what it is...whether or not there is anyone to perceive anything or not.  For every living creature on Earth, there is a separate reality...their own personal reality.   It is how we perceive the actual reality that generates that personal reality.  One may see the cup as half empty, another might see it as half full, and then another might always see it as overflowing with possibility.  

 

Our human minds haven't the horsepower to understand what God is, but since you've brought up religion, some eastern sects believe reality is simply "maya" (illusion..:)

There's a story of an adherent to such a sect who was seen to dodge out of the way when an elephant charged towards the crowd at a parade, and people jokingly said to him- "Why did you dodge if you think everything is just an illusion?", to which he replied "I only appeared to move"..:)

And a Readers Digest once touched on the nature of reality, quote-

"Our philosophy tutor held up a pencil to the class and said "Write an essay about this pencil".

When the essays were collected, he gave top marks to the student who wrote just two words- "What pencil""..:)

 

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19 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Well, I'm trying to understand how my philosophy of non-dualism (God and creation are not-two)  and Advaita Vedanta (Hindu philosophy) fits in with this simulation hypothesis. 

Brahman/God can perhaps be said to be the creator of this simulation, but a ray of that God consciousness animates all things and entities. Hence, we can consider ourselves the simulated and the simulator at the same time. The game of our existence is then to recognize the true nature of the simulation.

Deep thoughts!

God said "I fill heaven and earth" which brings us back to the question "What the heck is he"..:)

Perhaps he's not a person but a "thing" or a "force" like the water in a fish tank and we're the fish swimming around in it-

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Crikey said:

God said "I fill heaven and earth" which brings us back to the question "What the heck is he"..:)

Perhaps he's not a person but a "thing" or a "force" like the water in a fish tank and we're the fish swimming around in it-

Well in nondual/Advaita philosophy the idea is Brahman which is the Source and the One Consciousness. The universe is then likened to a play/drama (simulation?) of Brahman in which he animates all the characters in the play with a ray of this One Consciousness. These rays eventually discover they were the Source all along (the simulator). 

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21 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Well in nondual/Advaita philosophy the idea is Brahman which is the Source and the One Consciousness. The universe is then likened to a play/drama (simulation?) of Brahman in which he animates all the characters in the play with a ray of this One Consciousness. These rays eventually discover they were the Source all along (the simulator). 

And if our reality is just an illusion or dream, we could speculate that Jesus was a 'Master of Dream Manipulation' which would explain how he was able to bend reality, which people tagged as his 37 'miracles'

Interestingly he said WE could do it too, if we had the knack-

"If you have faith as small as  a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; nothing will be impossible for you” (Matthew 17:20) 
On a smaller scale, perhaps simple prayer is "thought-pressure" that can nudge reality in the direction we want it to go?

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7 hours ago, Crikey said:

Perhaps he's not a person but a "thing" or a "force" like the water in a fish tank and we're the fish swimming around in it-

I feel that is exactly right, if people want to put a face on what people call god to be able to come to terms with everything that is, well that's fine. Personally I think humans have advanced past ancient stories, they give hope to many but are holding us back from being free.

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2 hours ago, openozy said:

..Personally I think humans have advanced past ancient stories, they give hope to many but are holding us back from being free.

Seeing as you raise religion again, technically Jesus was an alien visitor with awesome powers who came to free us from ignorance- 
Jesus said- "God has authorised me to...proclaim freedom for the prisoners...to set the oppressed free" (Luke 4:18)
"I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going....you are of this world, I am not of this world...though you do not believe me, believe the miracles...I'll tell you things hidden since the creation of the world" (John 8:14/ 8:23/10:38/Matt 13:35)

Hey Spock will you listen to an alien visitor?

"Affirmative, I'm all ears"

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9 hours ago, Crikey said:

 

There are many alternative hypotheses so if anybody wants to toss them into the playpen we can have fun kicking them around..:)

For example quantum theory has got scientists scratching theit heads like crazy-

"The  atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts"
– Prof. Werner Heisenberg (Nobel Prize winner in Physics)

I generally find that when we are dealing with issues of physics that make no apparent sense, it is because the instrumentation is inadequate.  The truth is closer to the idea that electrons are time spaghetti that stitches reality together by being in many places at once.  No-one has categorically proven that there is more than one electron, but they universe behaves as if there are many. 

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3 minutes ago, Crikey said:

Seeing as you raise religion again, technically Jesus was an alien visitor with awesome powers who came to free us from ignorance- 
Jesus said-

I respect your belief but the problem is how do you know that Jesus, if ever existed said anything? In the end like most of mine or other people's paranormal experiences, it's just a story.

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Another question on the "reality" theme is whether, if we KNEW we were in an illusion/ dream/ simulation, could we really be happy there knowing it was fake?

For instance Kirk was in a nice comfortable alternate reality (the 'Nexus'), and should have been happy on paper, but because he knew it wasn't real he was unhappy.

In his place I'd be unhappy too, how about other members?

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

I generally find that when we are dealing with issues of physics that make no apparent sense, it is because the instrumentation is inadequate.  The truth is closer to the idea that electrons are time spaghetti that stitches reality together by being in many places at once.  No-one has categorically proven that there is more than one electron, but they universe behaves as if there are many. 

At least some open-minded boffins have hinted at a "super intellect" (God) behind it all..:)

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super intellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question."- Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist):  The Universe: Past and Present Reflections. Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics: 20:16. 
 

 "There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming"- Paul Davies (British astrophysicist), The Cosmic Blueprint: New Discoveries in Nature's Creative Ability To Order the Universe. New York: Simon and Schuster, p.203. 
 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, openozy said:

I respect your belief but the problem is how do you know that Jesus, if ever existed said anything? In the end like most of mine or other people's paranormal experiences, it's just a story.

He was seen and heard by the whole of Israel, that's a lot of eyewitnesses, and when the first gospels were written nobody - not a single person - ever came forward to say "Baloney, it never happened" because they knew they'd just be making fools of themselves.

Heck, he was almost as big as Elvis, and the similarities are uncanny..:)-

"And the people all tried to touch Jesus, because power was coming from him" (Luke 6:19)
 

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2 hours ago, Crikey said:

He was seen and heard by the whole of Israel, that's a lot of eyewitnesses, and when the first gospels were written nobody - not a single person - ever came forward to say "Baloney, it never happened" because they knew they'd just be making fools of themselves.

Heck, he was almost as big as Elvis, and the similarities are uncanny..:

I bet nobody stepped on his blue suede shoes in those days or they would end up crucified or worse. Sorry the bible doesn't appeal to me as it is just a story book in reality. If it helps people through life it's not a bad story though very outdated.

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10 hours ago, openozy said:

..the bible doesn't appeal to me as it is just a story book in reality..

Prove it..:)

I kinda like JC-

HIGH PRIEST- "Jesus of Nazareth alias the Messiah, the Christ and the Son of God, you stand accused of upsetting us real bad, how do you plead?"

JESUS- "On yer bike Jack"

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Anybody seen the Clooney sci-fi film 'Solaris' which has reality/ unreality as its central theme?

Spoiler Alert- the planet Solaris conjures up his dead wife for him, she's solid flesh and blood but he knows she's just an unreal copy so he dumps her into space through the airlock. But later the planet conjures her up again but he was so in lurv with his real late wife back on earth that he ignores the fact she's a fake and settles for accepting the fake.

The poor lovesick shmuck begins losing his grip on reality and asks the fake-

This raises the question- How would WE behave if a much-loved relative was conjured up, would we accept the fake? Personally I'd tell the fake to take a hike..:)

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7 hours ago, Crikey said:

Anybody seen the Clooney sci-fi film 'Solaris' which has reality/ unreality as its central theme?

Spoiler Alert- the planet Solaris conjures up his dead wife for him, she's solid flesh and blood but he knows she's just an unreal copy so he dumps her into space through the airlock. But later the planet conjures her up again but he was so in lurv with his real late wife back on earth that he ignores the fact she's a fake and settles for accepting the fake.

The poor lovesick shmuck begins losing his grip on reality and asks the fake-

This raises the question- How would WE behave if a much-loved relative was conjured up, would we accept the fake? Personally I'd tell the fake to take a hike..:)

I don't think anyone saw that movie. One of George's bombs, before he slid away to do Nescafe commercials.

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On 6/18/2023 at 12:38 PM, Crikey said:

 

Our human minds haven't the horsepower to understand what God is, ...

 

Sure we do, we made him up.

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I wonder about reality being energy in a spectrum of frequencies so vast that they form a circle which ends where it begins  and , of which we are only capable of experiencing an almost infinitesimally small segment of. ?       Or, maybe not. :lol:

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34 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Is our "reality" real?

Yes.

 Yours is….  mine  isn’t.   ;)

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