Popular Post Still Waters Posted June 19, 2023 Popular Post #1 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) A submersible craft used to take people to see the wreck of the Titanic has gone missing in the Atlantic Ocean with its crew on board, sparking a major search and rescue operation. Tour firm OceanGate, which runs $250,000-a-seat expeditions to the wreck, said it was exploring all options to get the crew back safely. It said government agencies and deep sea firms were helping the operation. The Titanic sank in 1912 and lies some 3,800m (12,500ft) beneath the waves. The missing craft is believed to be OceanGate's Titan submersible, a truck-sized sub that holds five people and usually dives with a four-day supply of oxygen. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65953872 BBC LIVE have updates. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65953941 Edited June 19, 2023 by Still Waters Source link added to BBC LIve to follow updates 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Piney Posted June 19, 2023 Popular Post #2 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Leave that tragic graveyard alone. 8 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted June 19, 2023 #3 Share Posted June 19, 2023 56 minutes ago, Piney said: Leave that tragic graveyard alone. Why? it’s a good reminder of the failures of humanism. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted June 19, 2023 #4 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Raptor Witness said: Why? it’s a good reminder of the failures of humanism. There's more than enough footage available. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted June 19, 2023 #5 Share Posted June 19, 2023 30 minutes ago, Abramelin said: There's more than enough footage available. 1 hour ago, Raptor Witness said: Why? it’s a good reminder of the failures of humanism. What Rob said. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wepwawet Posted June 19, 2023 #6 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Apparently there is a "name" on this sub, a British billionaire. The BBC article quote an explorer who had to give up his seat on this sub, and he says that all three passengers are "epic explorers". So who is a British billionaire and also an explorer, I can only think of one, but it would be wrong to say the name if it's not who I'm thinking of. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted June 19, 2023 #7 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Rescue is not possible at these depth...another wreck for sightseeing ? 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inn Spectre Posted June 19, 2023 #8 Share Posted June 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Piney said: Leave that tragic graveyard alone. All human remains are long gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted June 19, 2023 #9 Share Posted June 19, 2023 52 minutes ago, Inn Spectre said: All human remains are long gone. Bones could still be there. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted June 19, 2023 Author #10 Share Posted June 19, 2023 The US Coast Guard has confirmed there were five people onboard the submarine vessel, which it says has been missing since Sunday morning local time. In a series of Twitter posts, the Coast Guard described the submarine as being 21 feet (6.4m) in length. It went missing more than 24 hours ago, on Sunday morning, about one hour and 45 minutes into its dive. Both US and Canadian naval surveillance aircraft are currently searching for it, including a highly-sophisticated P8 Poseidon aircraft with underwater detection capabilities. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65953941 1 hour ago, Wepwawet said: Apparently there is a "name" on this sub, a British billionaire. The BBC article quote an explorer who had to give up his seat on this sub, and he says that all three passengers are "epic explorers". So who is a British billionaire and also an explorer, I can only think of one, but it would be wrong to say the name if it's not who I'm thinking of. Hamish Harding, a 59-year-old British billionaire businessman and explorer, is reportedly onboard the missing submarine. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65953941 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted June 19, 2023 Author #11 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Robert Blasiak - an ocean researcher with the Stockholm Resilience Centre - outlined the tough conditions facing the search teams. "The ocean on average is about four kilometres deep so this [submersible] is at great depth," Blasiak told the BBC. He added that light only penetrates up to about one kilometre into the ocean's surface, so that's in 'pitch black and water pressures of about 400 atmospheres'. We know where the Titanic is, but we don't know where the submersible is. So it could be that it's nowhere near that depth and that's what we should all hope for at this time." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65953941 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted June 19, 2023 #12 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Abramelin said: Bones could still be there. Foot bones in all those shoes.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorybebe Posted June 19, 2023 #13 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Even if no bones, the shoes and other remains are there. It was agreed upon that the treasures still in the wreck would stay as it is the victims place of rest, leave it alone now IMO 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wepwawet Posted June 19, 2023 #14 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Still Waters said: Hamish Harding, a 59-year-old British billionaire businessman and explorer, is reportedly onboard the missing submarine. Well I guess British explorer billionaires must be ten a penny. I have to admit I had never heard of this guy and was thinking of someone very well known, but it's clearly not them so I'll not jinx them by saying who I thought it was. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted June 19, 2023 #15 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Director James Cameron, who dove to the Titanic while making his film of the same name, said it takes two hours to make the descent. If they lost contact with the submersible an hour and 45 minutes after they started the descent, they were real close to the wreck. Now the historian and shipwreck analyst who dove with him has issued a chilling warning. (If I remember right, they said the slightest flaw in the submersible under that kind of water pressure would crush them before they even knew something was wrong.) https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/titanic-expert-who-dived-james-30272064?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target Parks Stephenson worked as a technical advisor to James Cameron for Titanic, carrying out extensive interior exploration inside the wreck. He first dived the Titanic wreck with director James Cameron in 2005, and has been to the wreck site five times since then and twice to the wreck of the Titanic's sister ship, Britannic. Taking to his Facebook page, he said: "No matter what you may read in the coming hours, all that is truly known at this time is that communications with the submersible have been lost and that is unusual enough to warrant the most serious consideration. "I am most concerned about the souls aboard, whose identifies have not yet been made public." Speaking on Radio 4's PM programme, Stephenson - who is not directly affiliated with the vessel's operating company OceanGate Expeditions - says each submersible has different characteristics - and described the missing vessel as a "highly unusual event". He added that they typically take around two hours to reach the depth at which the Titanic lies - and will take around the same time to come back up. Edited June 19, 2023 by susieice 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wepwawet Posted June 19, 2023 #16 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Piney said: Foot bones in all those shoes.... I think it's also a case of even if all the remains had gone, it's where they were, it's still their tomb. For instance, depending on soil, a body can completely dissolve by about 70 years in their grave, but we would not act as if their body was not still there and desecrate the grave. Edited June 19, 2023 by Wepwawet 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted June 19, 2023 #17 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Wepwawet said: I think it's also a case of even if all the remains had gone, it's where they were, it's still their tomb. For instance, depending on soil, a body can completely dissolved by about 70 years in their grave, but we would not act as if their body was not still there and desecrate the grave. The sand shadow graves in Britain and the Koens-Crispin cremation pits in Eastern North America which many pot holers mistake for blade caches. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wepwawet Posted June 19, 2023 #18 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Piney said: The sand shadow graves in Britain and the Koens-Crispin cremation pits in Eastern North America which many pot holers mistake for blade caches. Yes, the sandlings are quite a thing, and of course the king in the ship had totally vanished, not even any teeth left. There was a case in 2010 that made me laugh. Cardinal Newman, who had died in 1890, was beatified by Benedict XVI. But in order for anybody to become a saint their body is supposed to be incorrupt. His grave was excavated, but he was gone except I think for some teeth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted June 19, 2023 #19 Share Posted June 19, 2023 I'll pass. How OceanGate built 'improvised' submersible from camping shop stock and a video game controller (msn.com) 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted June 19, 2023 #20 Share Posted June 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wepwawet said: Yes, the sandlings are quite a thing, and of course the king in the ship had totally vanished, not even any teeth left. There was a case in 2010 that made me laugh. Cardinal Newman, who had died in 1890, was beatified by Benedict XVI. But in order for anybody to become a saint their body is supposed to be incorrupt. His grave was excavated, but he was gone except I think for some teeth. The very same pot holer, who happened to be on town council took me out to the "caches". I picked up a small piece of carbonized ochre stained long bone. Probably a thigh and said "Here's the owner". He **** himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted June 19, 2023 #21 Share Posted June 19, 2023 41 minutes ago, Wepwawet said: I think it's also a case of even if all the remains had gone, it's where they were, it's still their tomb. For instance, depending on soil, a body can completely dissolve by about 70 years in their grave, but we would not act as if their body was not still there and desecrate the grave. We are doing it all the time for ''archeological purpose'' but also filling museum with stuff and doing nice auctions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted June 19, 2023 #22 Share Posted June 19, 2023 6 hours ago, Raptor Witness said: Why? it’s a good reminder of the failures of humanism. SMH... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wepwawet Posted June 19, 2023 #23 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Jon the frog said: We are doing it all the time for ''archeological purpose'' but also filling museum with stuff and doing nice auctions... That's true, and I've made umpteen posts with pictures of mummies, which can be seen as disrepectful and a desecration, in fact their tombs have of course been desecrated. It's a matter of time though. We don't, at least in the UK, go around digging up bodies because we want to gawp at them unless they generally predate 1066. Some people, not many, can trace their ancestry back that far, and we don't want to dig up our own ancestors, but who cares about old bones of people who are not connected to us as they are so ancient. We see the bog bodies which are several thousand years old, and so well preserved that we marvel at them, but would not dig up somebody from, say, 1850, or 1550 and exhibit their body if it were well preserved, they might also be a great great great.... grandparent. We also don't care about digging up bodies of those who were "pagans". It's really all hypocrisy to an extent, "Don't touch the Titanic because my great great uncle died on it, but let's get this mummy out of it's tomb and subject it to all manner of indignities because they have no connection to us". But I don't think it's the greatest moral dilema facing us. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted June 19, 2023 #24 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Is the SOSUS net still in operation or did it get cancelled once the post cold war budget cuts came into being? If it's still operating I wonder if it might have heard a hull-crush sound? That it lost contact suddenly during the dive seems pretty ominous. No communication since then adds to that. https://irp.fas.org/program/collect/sosus.htm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander CMG Posted June 19, 2023 #25 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Inn Spectre said: All human remains are long gone. That's irrelevant, its a resting place for more than 1500 people. There is nothing to see, let them rest in peace, let there spirits sleep without outside interference, its not a tourist attraction site. Edited June 19, 2023 by Commander CMG 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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