Minot AFB - 1968

[Golden Duck]

13 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

The focus is the craft that is lite up by those searchlights.

Cool.  So why post a highly retouched copy?

[skyeagle409]

38 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Cool.  So why post a highly retouched copy?

Because I was asked to post a photo of a UFO, so I did. In addition, there is a CBS news video that tracked the object during a Live broadcast as the Army tried to shoot it down. 

[Golden Duck]

6 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

Because I was asked to post a photo of a UFO, so I did. In addition, there is a CBS news video that tracked the object during a Live broadcast as the Army tried to shoot it down. 

So you were asked to post a photo of the UFO, and you posted a highly retouched version selling newspapers. That's embarrassing on your part.

You understand that edited version is useless, don't you?

[skyeagle409]

11 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

So you were asked to post a photo of the UFO, and you posted a highly retouched version selling newspapers. That's embarrassing on your part. You understand that edited version is useless, don't you?

Once again, I was asked to post a UFO photo, so I posted that photo, which depicts a craft that was tracked by three radars as it approached California coastline whereas, the Army captured the craft with multiple searchlights, and then, fired on that craft but failed to shoot it down despite the fact they fired over 1400 rounds of anti-aircraft ammo at the craft.

Edited June 30, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Trelane]

"Alleged craft." Fixed that bit.

[skyeagle409]

9 hours ago, Trelane said:

"Alleged craft." Fixed that bit.

Apparently, not. Not only was the craft confirmed by multiple radars, but by thousands of people who saw the object as well. Since it was apparent you were unaware of the rest of the story, I fixed what you broke.

[Trelane]

Alleged craft as it was not confirmed by actual contacts. Alleged craft as there were no corresponding photos from the alleged thousands of witnesses. Additionally, there are of course no corresponding reports or statements from the alleged "thousands of people".

Being deliberately obtuse seems to be your go to. Bravo to commitment to that at least.

[skyeagle409]

15 hours ago, Trelane said:

Alleged craft as it was not confirmed by actual contacts. Alleged craft as there were no corresponding photos from the alleged thousands of witnesses. Additionally, there are of course no corresponding reports or statements from the alleged "thousands of people".

Being deliberately obtuse seems to be your go to. Bravo to commitment to that at least.

 Seems that you are just here for fun because I posted a photo and in addition, there is also a video and it also seems that you are unaware of the video interviews of the witnesses pertaining to the object. So, you have claimed the craft was not confirmed.

 

"At 0144 an SCR-268 (3-T-4) picked up an unidentifiable aerial target (confirmed by two 270s); at 0200 there appeared on the Information Center's Operation Board an unidentified "target 120 miles west of Los Angeles...well tracked by radar, by 1st Lt Kenneth R. Martin."

History of the 4th AA Command, Western Defense Command,
January 9 1942 -July 1, 1945, Chapter V Defense Operations on the West Coast.
(3)Par 5, App B, Doc 29 (Conference Report, 25 Feb 42)

 

"At 0144 an SCR-268 picked up an unidentifiable aerial target 120 miles west of Los Angeles...well tracked by radar."

History of the 4th AA Command, Western Defense Command,
January 9 1942 -July 1, 1945, Chapter V Defense Operations on the West Coast.
(3)Par 5, App B, Doc 29 (Conference Report, 25 Feb 42)

 

"Radars picked up an unidentified target 120 miles west of Los Angeles."

The Army Air Forces in World War II
U.S. Government Printing Office

Poher Report: Part 4. 3-D Analysis of the Radarscope Photographs | The Minot AFB UFO case | 24 OCTOBER 1968 (minotb52ufo.com)

 

Edited July 3, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Trelane]

 Is there a discrepancy to those reports? Yes. But that's beside the point now.

You stated thousands, I expect thousands. You stated proof, I expect proof. You have provided nothing, absolutely nothing. If this were your job and you were required to provide evidence, you would have been fired multiple threads ago for failure to perform your duties.

Minot was investigated by two separate entities and their reports reinforced the other's findings. This included the exact same type of event in 1967. Everything else has been Salas adding elements to make money off of the UFO craze. I can state that because he made no statements to the Investigating Officers when they were on ground. He's making the crap up. Some people like the taste, I guess.

I get it, you desperately need people to believe your fantasies of aliens. I also get it that you feel compelled to have the last word in every thread. Go right on ahead.

 

[skyeagle409]

16 hours ago, Trelane said:

 Is there a discrepancy to those reports? Yes. But that's beside the point now.

The fact of the matter is 3 radars tracked the object from over the sea and when object crossed the coastline, the searchlights when on and the fireworks began during the first barrage and the second barrage began when the object reversed course and headed back over the sea unscathed.

16 hours ago, Trelane said:

You stated thousands, I expect thousands. You stated proof, I expect proof. You have provided nothing, absolutely nothing. If this were your job and you were required to provide evidence, you would have been fired multiple threads ago for failure to perform your duties.

You say nothing but the fact remains, the Army failed to bring down the craft despite firing over 1400 rounds of anti-aircraft ammo as thousands of people watched the action unfold before their very eyes.. 

16 hours ago, Trelane said:

Minot was investigated by two separate entities and their reports reinforced the other's findings. This included the exact same type of event in 1967. Everything else has been Salas adding elements to make money off of the UFO craze. I can state that because he made no statements to the Investigating Officers when they were on ground. He's making the crap up. Some people like the taste, I guess.

As in the Malmstrom AFB incident in 1967, the Minot AFB incident involved an alien craft as well. I might also add that Capt. Salas had nothing to do an incident when UFOs returned to Malmstrom AFB in 1975 and you will see Minot AFB in the following report on November 10,1975 as well.

 

1975 Malmstrom AFB UFO Incident

 

4th NORAD Region Senior Director's Log (malmstrom AFB, Montana)
 
  10 NOV 75 (1125Z) - UFO sighting reported by Minot Air Force Station, a  
bright star-like object in the west, moving east, about the size of a car. 
First seen approximately 1015Z.  Approximately 1120Z, the object passed    
over the radar station, 1,000 feet to 2,000 feet high, no noise heard.
Three people from the site or local area saw the object.  NCOC notified. 

Malmstrom !975 Case FOIA File (nicap.org)

 

Basic Reporting Data – Minot AFB, 24 Oct. 1968

1 1 [NOTE: This is the key to the Basic Reporting Data, dated 29/0428Z OCT 68. The 8-page TWX (teletype) included in the Blue Book documents does not include the small case bold text in the following. The small case bold texts are the actual questions in AFR 80-17 that the reporter (Col. Werlich) is responding to.]

WPB050 PTTEZYUW RUWMADA6076 3030429-EEEE—RUEDFIF. ZNY EEEEE P 290428Z OCT 68 FM 862 SPT GP MINOT AFB NDAK TO RUWMFVA/ADC ENT AFB COLO RUWTEMB/WIADIV MALMSTROM AFB MONT RUEDFIF/FTD WPAFB RUEFHQA/CSAF BT UNCLAS E F T O BO. SEC I OF II. FOR TDPT (UFO). FOR AFRDC. FOR SAF-OI. SUBJ: UFO REPORT.

[AFR 80-17, 11. Basic Reporting Data and Format. Show the abbreviation "UFO" at the beginning of the text of all electrical reports and in the subject of any follow-up written reports. Include required data in all electrical reports, in the order shown below:] A. DESCRIPTION OF THE OBJECTS: (1) [Shape.] SHAPE WAS DESCRIBED BY VISUAL SIGHTING AS “JUST ABOUT ROUND, A LITTLE OBLONG IF ANYTHING”. THE SHAPE ON AN AIRBORNE B-52 RADAR SCOPE WAS VERY SHARP AND IRREGULAR AND AT TIMES RECTANGULAR. (2) [Size compared to a known object.] VISUAL SIGHTING COMPARED OBJECT SIZE TO BE EQUAL TO THE SUN, VERY LARGE, TOO BIG FOR AN AIRCRAFT. RADAR SIGHTING DESCRIBES THE SIZE ON THE SCOPE TO BE LARGER THAN THAT OF A KC-135 DURING AERIAL REFUELING. (3) [Color.] COLOR WAS A VERY BRIGHT RED ORANGE MOST OF THE TIME. (4) [Number.] THE INITIAL SIGHTING WAS ONE OBJECT. THE ONE OBJECT WAS JOINED BY ONE OTHER LIKE OBJECT FOR A SHORT TIME. THE AIRBORNE RADAR PAGE 2 RUWMADA6076 UNCLAS E F T

 

 

 

16 hours ago, Trelane said:

I get it, you desperately need people to believe your fantasies of aliens. I also get it that you feel compelled to have the last word in every thread. Go right on ahead.

 

 

[Trelane]

Yes, two separate entities conducted an investigation of the alleged Minot incident the same as what occurred at Malmstrom. My apologies for not articulating that better. 

[skyeagle409]

18 hours ago, Trelane said:

Yes, two separate entities conducted an investigation of the alleged Minot incident the same as what occurred at Malmstrom. My apologies for not articulating that better. 

I want to point out that Roberts Salas was not involved in the first UFO missile incident over Malmstrom AFB in 1967, which occurred on March 16, 1967, when a UFO disabled the missiles of Echo-Flight. Salas was assigned to Oscar-Flight and its missiles were disabled on March 24, 1957.

 

 

[Trelane]

4 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

I want to point out that Roberts Salas was not involved in the first UFO missile incident over Malmstrom AFB in 1967, which occurred on March 16, 1967, when a UFO disabled the missiles of Echo-Flight. Salas was assigned to Oscar-Flight and its missiles were disabled on March 24, 1957.

 

 

I want to point out that it doesn't matter what Salas has stated as both he '67 and '68 incidents were investigated independently of each other, and the investigating bodies reached the same conclusion. Both which prompted a comprehensive review of all silos and their electrical grid maintenance in the ensuing years, 

[skyeagle409]

On 7/5/2023 at 5:51 AM, Trelane said:

I want to point out that it doesn't matter what Salas has stated as both he '67 and '68 incidents were investigated independently of each other, and the investigating bodies reached the same conclusion. Both which prompted a comprehensive review of all silos and their electrical grid maintenance in the ensuing years, 

The 1967 Malmstrom AFB incident investigation found no problems with the missiles that would account for multiple missiles going down, especially since the missiles are independent of one another. In other words, practically impossible.  Case in point was when several military activities and other engineering firms confirmed that no positive cause for the shutdowns was ever found, despite extensive and concentrated effort.

The Malmstrom AFB UFO/Missile Incident

Malmstrom AFB Missile/UFO Incident, March 1967 (cufon.org)

 

In fact, the investigation team was going to reveal in its investigation that a UFO was seen on the area, but the Air Force stepped in and told them not to submit their report, which the investigation team found very unusual. Several days after E-Flight's incident, Oscar Flight loss control of its missiles and in that case, a UFO was reported overhead as well. 

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Trelane]

Not problems with the missiles, it was electrical issues elsewhere inside the silo complex. You need to read more and speculate less. The actual FOIAd documents are available.

[skyeagle409]

6 hours ago, Trelane said:

Not problems with the missiles, it was electrical issues elsewhere inside the silo complex. You need to read more and speculate less. The actual FOIAd documents are available.

Even the silos are independent of one another, so losing power in one silo is not going to affect the other 9 missiles because that is not how the system was designed. What FOIA documents are you referring to? In the following report, where does it say that 10 missiles were disabled due to an electrical fault?

[Trelane]

18 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

Even the silos are independent of one another, so losing power in one silo is not going to affect the other 9 missiles because that is not how the system was designed. What FOIA documents are you referring to? In the following report, where does it say that 10 missiles were disabled due to an electrical fault?

I'm referring to the ones that Salas himself used (only parts thought) from his book "Faded Giant."

The full document dump can be found here:

https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/ufos/malmstromufo.pdf

A good portion of Salas' book consists of the response to a 2001 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request asking for:

"All documents pertaining to a March 16, 1967 incident, in which there was a malfunction of missile silos at your installation. Please include all documentation of procedures after this incident occurred, the possible cause, procedures on how to handle the situation etc. Please include documents, letters, tapes, audio and video tapes, memos, and all other forms of written and visual media."

The response consists of five quarterly logs of the 341st Strategic Missile Wing history, detailing the investigation of the faults in the missiles that went offline. However, there's a big problem: While Salas recalls that he was working at Oscar Flight when his missiles all went down, the documents produced don't include a single mention of Oscar. They talk only about a seemingly-identical failure at Echo Flight. However, in Faded Giant, Salas acknowledges this contradiction:

"Because of conflicting memories of some of the principals, some uncertainty exists whether, in fact, the Echo and Oscar Flight missile shutdown incidents occurred on the same morning, or on different days within a short time. The official Wing history and other contemporary documents don't address this matter as only shutdowns at Echo Flight are mentioned."

 

That is just the tip of the iceberg regarding Salas' recollection and recounting his tall tale.

[+joc]

On 6/25/2023 at 1:31 AM, skyeagle409 said:

Data is just as good as photos. Question is, Why are you ignoring the radar photo depicting the object on the aircraft's radar screen? 

Because...as you also agreed and emphatically said, They didn't produce any sonic booms.  The laws of physics are the same throughout the entire universe.  They aren't different for Space Aliens.  No sound waves...no aircraft.  Period.

[skyeagle409]

3 hours ago, Trelane said:

I'm referring to the ones that Salas himself used (only parts thought) from his book "Faded Giant."

The full document dump can be found here:

https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/ufos/malmstromufo.pdf

A good portion of Salas' book consists of the response to a 2001 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request asking for:

"All documents pertaining to a March 16, 1967 incident, in which there was a malfunction of missile silos at your installation. Please include all documentation of procedures after this incident occurred, the possible cause, procedures on how to handle the situation etc. Please include documents, letters, tapes, audio and video tapes, memos, and all other forms of written and visual media."

The response consists of five quarterly logs of the 341st Strategic Missile Wing history, detailing the investigation of the faults in the missiles that went offline. However, there's a big problem: While Salas recalls that he was working at Oscar Flight when his missiles all went down, the documents produced don't include a single mention of Oscar. They talk only about a seemingly-identical failure at Echo Flight. However, in Faded Giant, Salas acknowledges this contradiction:

"Because of conflicting memories of some of the principals, some uncertainty exists whether, in fact, the Echo and Oscar Flight missile shutdown incidents occurred on the same morning, or on different days within a short time. The official Wing history and other contemporary documents don't address this matter as only shutdowns at Echo Flight are mentioned."

 

That is just the tip of the iceberg regarding Salas' recollection and recounting his tall tale.

I am glad that you posted that and consider it was a mistake on your part for not knowing the rest of the story. I am now going to show how the Air Force took you for a ride and as a result, consider yourself another victim of the Air Force's disinformation and misinformation campaigns.

 According to the investigation team, there were no problem with the missiles or silos. The team also became suspicious when the Air Force ordered the investigation team not to submit their final report, which was going to reveal that UFOs were in fact, reported over the missile field. Eventually the Air Force came added a few things in the report that the investigation teams and those who were involved, didn't agree with. For an example, if you look at that report that you presented, it said that reports of UFOs (1967 Malmstrom AFB incident) were disproven. That was a lie and a major clue that the Air Force was attempting to coverup the incident because the investigation team was going to reveal that UFOs were in fact, reported over the area. 

 

Former Boeing Engineer, Robert Kaminski Confirms UFO Activity at Echo Flight Missile Launch Control Facility in 1967

 “Since this was a field site peculiar incident, a determination was made to send out an investigation team to survey the LCF [Echo Launch Control Facility] and the LFs [Launch Facilities, or silos] to determine what failures or related incidents could be found to explain the cause. The team was made up of qualified engineers and technicians headed by scientific person who was a glaciologist. There were about 5 persons in all that were sent out. After a week in the field the team returned and pooled their data. At the outset the team quickly noticed a lack of anything that would come close to explain why the event occurred. There were no significant failures, engineering data or findings that would explain how ten missiles were knocked off alert. This indeed turned out to be a rare event and not encountered before. The use of backup power systems and other technical system circuit operational redundancy strongly suggests that this kind of event is virtually impossible once the system was up and running and on line with other LCF's and LF's interconnectivity.

[After months of investigation,] the team met with me to report their findings and it was decided that the final report would have nothing significant in it to explain what happened at E-Flight. In other words there was no technical explanation that could explain the event. The team went off to do the report. Meanwhile I was contacted by our representative at OOAMA (Don Peterson) and told by him that the incident was reported as being a UFO event—That a UFO was seen by some Airmen over the LCF [sic] at the time E-Flight went down.  

Robert Kaminski's Video at Post   #22 

Former Airmen to Govt.: Come Clean on UFOs

Former Air Force officers say UFOs interfered with nuclear missiles.

 The U.S. government's official line may be that unidentified flying objects (UFOs) don't pose a national security threat, but a group of former Air Force officers gathered Monday in the nation's capital to tell a different story.

During a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., seven former Air Force officers once stationed at nuclear bases around the country said that not only have UFOs visited Air Force bases, some have succeeded in disabling nuclear missiles stationed there.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/airmen-govt-clean-ufos/story?id=11738715

 

UFO sightings at ICBM sites and nuclear Weapons Storage Areas Ex-Air Force Personnel: UFOs Deactivated Nukes

missileincidents (nicap.org)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-force-personnel-ufos-deactivated-nukes/

 

The Malmstrom AFB UFO/Missile Incident

 

DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE

HEADQUARTERS 341ST COMBAT SUPPORT GROUP (SAC)

MALMSTROM AIR FORCE BASE, MT 590402

REPLY TO

ATTN OF: BO 3 July 1967

SUBJECT: UFO Observations, Malmstrom AFB Area

to: Colonel James C. Manatt (lettered TDET/UFO)

HQ Foreign Technology Division (AFSC)

Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio 45433

1. Reference TDET/UFO letter dated 30 June 1967 on above subject.

2. This office has no knowledge of equipment malfunctions and abnormalities in equipment during the period of reported UFO sightings. No validity can be established to the statement that a classified government experiment was in progress or that military and civilian personnel were requested not to discuss what they had seen.

3. A written report on the events that transpired during the alleged UFO reported landing on 24 March 1967, fully documents all findings by the investigating officer. A copy of this report was forwarded to your office on 3 April 1967.

4. If we can be of further assistance to you, please do not hesitate to write.

FOR THE COMMANDER

LEWIS D. CHASE, Lt Colonel, USAF

Chief, Operations Division

 

 

[Trelane]

8 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

I am glad that you posted that and consider it was a mistake on your part for not knowing the rest of the story. I am now going to show how the Air Force took you for a ride and as a result, consider yourself another victim of the Air Force's disinformation and misinformation campaigns.

 According to the investigation team, there were no problem with the missiles or silos. The team also became suspicious when the Air Force ordered the investigation team not to submit their final report, which was going to reveal that UFOs were in fact, reported over the missile field. Eventually the Air Force came added a few things in the report that the investigation teams and those who were involved, didn't agree with. For an example, if you look at that report that you presented, it said that reports of UFOs (1967 Malmstrom AFB incident) were disproven. That was a lie and a major clue that the Air Force was attempting to coverup the incident because the investigation team was going to reveal that UFOs were in fact, reported over the area. 

 

Former Boeing Engineer, Robert Kaminski Confirms UFO Activity at Echo Flight Missile Launch Control Facility in 1967

 “Since this was a field site peculiar incident, a determination was made to send out an investigation team to survey the LCF [Echo Launch Control Facility] and the LFs [Launch Facilities, or silos] to determine what failures or related incidents could be found to explain the cause. The team was made up of qualified engineers and technicians headed by scientific person who was a glaciologist. There were about 5 persons in all that were sent out. After a week in the field the team returned and pooled their data. At the outset the team quickly noticed a lack of anything that would come close to explain why the event occurred. There were no significant failures, engineering data or findings that would explain how ten missiles were knocked off alert. This indeed turned out to be a rare event and not encountered before. The use of backup power systems and other technical system circuit operational redundancy strongly suggests that this kind of event is virtually impossible once the system was up and running and on line with other LCF's and LF's interconnectivity.

[After months of investigation,] the team met with me to report their findings and it was decided that the final report would have nothing significant in it to explain what happened at E-Flight. In other words there was no technical explanation that could explain the event. The team went off to do the report. Meanwhile I was contacted by our representative at OOAMA (Don Peterson) and told by him that the incident was reported as being a UFO event—That a UFO was seen by some Airmen over the LCF [sic] at the time E-Flight went down.  

Robert Kaminski's Video at Post   #22 

Former Airmen to Govt.: Come Clean on UFOs

Former Air Force officers say UFOs interfered with nuclear missiles.

 The U.S. government's official line may be that unidentified flying objects (UFOs) don't pose a national security threat, but a group of former Air Force officers gathered Monday in the nation's capital to tell a different story.

During a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., seven former Air Force officers once stationed at nuclear bases around the country said that not only have UFOs visited Air Force bases, some have succeeded in disabling nuclear missiles stationed there.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/airmen-govt-clean-ufos/story?id=11738715

 

UFO sightings at ICBM sites and nuclear Weapons Storage Areas Ex-Air Force Personnel: UFOs Deactivated Nukes

missileincidents (nicap.org)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-force-personnel-ufos-deactivated-nukes/

 

The Malmstrom AFB UFO/Missile Incident

 

DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE

HEADQUARTERS 341ST COMBAT SUPPORT GROUP (SAC)

MALMSTROM AIR FORCE BASE, MT 590402

REPLY TO

ATTN OF: BO 3 July 1967

SUBJECT: UFO Observations, Malmstrom AFB Area

to: Colonel James C. Manatt (lettered TDET/UFO)

HQ Foreign Technology Division (AFSC)

Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio 45433

1. Reference TDET/UFO letter dated 30 June 1967 on above subject.

2. This office has no knowledge of equipment malfunctions and abnormalities in equipment during the period of reported UFO sightings. No validity can be established to the statement that a classified government experiment was in progress or that military and civilian personnel were requested not to discuss what they had seen.

3. A written report on the events that transpired during the alleged UFO reported landing on 24 March 1967, fully documents all findings by the investigating officer. A copy of this report was forwarded to your office on 3 April 1967.

4. If we can be of further assistance to you, please do not hesitate to write.

FOR THE COMMANDER

LEWIS D. CHASE, Lt Colonel, USAF

Chief, Operations Division

 

 

You are again only cherry picking the pieces you think support your fantasy. You are now and once again deliberately ignoring the information provided in the link I have provided.

*sighs* I guess I have to put my working boots back on for this yet again. I know Sky will ignore this, but I hope others take the time to read my previous post and the documents in the link provided. That is the official FOIA documents that Salas used as the context/content of his book. Ok, here we go again.

 

As stated in my previous post we've got a bit of a problem with Salas' account, but let's move past that for now. The documents linked go into tremendous detail about what happened to Echo Flight. When Salas saw the warning lights on his console, what was actually indicated was that all ten missiles were in an LF "No-Go" condition. This means that the launch facility is unable to deliver its ordnance onto the intended target, for any of a million possible reasons. How long was this the case? Here's what was said:

"In screening the crew it was determined that loss of strategic alert and fault indication occurred in an extremely short period of time. The exact time estimates could not be obtained but the time interval was estimated to be between 10 to 40 seconds."

That's about how long it took for a Minuteman II to restart itself, which was not unheard of at that time and would happen automatically, at which time the warning lights all went out and everything was back to normal. And the report went on to note that this was not considered unusual:

"The only unusual events noted were the failure of the secondary door actuator motor at LF, E-2 and the intermittent op­eration of the diesel generator at LF E-8."

The subsequent investigations showed there were several miscellaneous issues noted at the various Echo Flight facilities, all pertaining to the power from the local commercial power station, Fergus Electric Co., which advised that they'd had a transformer short at their Winifred Substation that serviced Echo Flight. This brief outage caused all the launch facilities to automatically fire up their diesel generators.

Boeing, the constructor of the Minuteman II, found that this outage, something often accompanied by a spike or surge, coincided with noise coming through the C-53D Logic Coupler interface line, which could cause a transient fault at the launch facility. What could cause this kind of noise? Two causes were suggested: an EMP (electromagnetic pulse, basically a bolt of lightning or other power surge), or simple electrostatic noise. Some 200 panels at Malmstrom's launch facilities were given engineering inspections, and no damage consistent with an EMP was found. Boeing attempted to recreate the failures by doing EMP tests, subjecting the systems to simulated lightning strikes, but all the tests produced negative results. It was found that a line called the Sensitive Information Network could transmit the same noise to all ten missiles in the flight, thus explaining why all ten, and no other missiles outside Echo Flight, were affected. In the end, all Boeing and the Air Force could say was that Echo Flight experienced "some type of adverse power effect".

So, basically to summarize the entire event, Fergus Electric blew a transformer; a power spike followed by an outage sent noise to one or more Echo Flight launch facilities which then spread it to all the other missiles in the flight, all of which rebooted automatically as they were designed to; but giving the young Lt. Salas the scare of his life.

But as far as UFOs go, there is only a single mention in the entire document of anything like UFOs or lights or strange things in the sky. I don't want to use more space and certainly don't need to present it as it would further embarrass Sky and this fantasy spun by the misremembering of Salas.

 

[skyeagle409]

5 hours ago, Trelane said:

You are again only cherry picking the pieces you think support your fantasy. You are now and once again deliberately ignoring the information provided in the link I have provided.

 

It seems that you have overlooked that declassified document at post #66 where is said "the fact there was no apparent reason for the loss of those missiles...." Since the missiles are independent from one another simply means that it was impossible for a fault to shut down all 10 missiles at once, and similar incident occurred just days later at O-Flight and as in the case of E-Flight, UFOs were reported hovering overhead as well.

 I knew that when I read the report where it said that reports of UFOs were disproven, it was an attempt by the Air Force to cover up the 1967 Malmstrom AFB incident and let's also remember, that when the report was released, the Air Force had already told the public that a weather balloon was responsible for the Roswell incident, and we know what happened to the Air Force's weather balloon story in 1994, thanks to the Air Force itself when it trashed its weather balloon and substituted a non-existent Project Mogul balloon flight #4 and issued another obviously false cover story in its 1997 report. As a reminder as to how the Air Force takes the unknowing for rides:

 

Lt. Col. Raymond Madson, 1997 AF Roswell Contributor

The Lt. Colonel who was a major contributor to the Air Force's official 1997 study that concluded that the Roswell ET crash of 1947 is a "myth"- now states that the Air Force's Roswell report is itself a lie. 

 

At some point in time, you need to come to the understanding that the Air Force has been taking you and other UFO debunkers out for a ride and all I am doing is pointing out that reality. Now, let's take a look at how the Air Force's attempted Malmstrom AFB incident cover story got started.

 

 By Robert Kaminski

Boeing engineer responsible for investigating the missile malfunctions at Echo Flight

There were no significant failures, engineering data or findings that would explain how ten missiles were knocked off alert. Meanwhile I was contacted by our representative at OOAMA (Don Peterson) and told by him that the incident was reported as being a UFO event. Subsequently, we were notified a few days later, that a stop work order was on the way from OOAMA to stop any further effort on this project. We stopped. We were also told that we were not to submit the final engineering report. This was most unusual since all of our work required review by the customer and the submittal of a final Engineering report to OOAMA."

 

It was obvious from that point on, what the Air Force had in mind, but despite its attempt to claim that reports of UFOs were disproven during the Malmstrom AFB incident, it didn't stop those who were there who would eventually set the record straight.

 

 

Interview with Colonel Walter Figel, Oct. 20, 2008

Figel confirms during an audio interview that he had received a report from a security guard about a "large, round" UFO hovering over one of Echo Flight's missile silos, seconds after that missile failed.

UFOs & Nukes (ufohastings.com)

 

 

Now, you know the rest of the story!

 

 

Edited July 8, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Trelane]

On 7/8/2023 at 3:46 PM, skyeagle409 said:

It seems that you have overlooked that declassified document at post #66 where is said "the fact there was no apparent reason for the loss of those missiles...." Since the missiles are independent from one another simply means that it was impossible for a fault to shut down all 10 missiles at once, and similar incident occurred just days later at O-Flight and as in the case of E-Flight, UFOs were reported hovering overhead as well.

 

Now, you know the rest of the story!

 

 

You have ignored the entirety of the documents so you are once again showing a bias towards your fantasy. But ok since you want to continue on about "UFOs".

As far as UFOs go, there is only a single mention in the entire document of anything like UFOs or lights or strange things in the sky:

Rumors of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO) around the area of Echo Flight during the time of fault were disproven. A Mobile Strike Team, which had checked all November Flight's LFs on the morning of 16 March 67, were questioned and stated that no unusual activity or sightings were observed.

Period. So, whatever Salas was remembering from all those decades ago, the records of the Wing remembered it differently.

But if the UFOs form such a ubiquitous part of this story, why was it found that nobody had reported anything usual on that night? Because it hadn't happened yet, and wouldn't for more than a week. Salas and Klotz did track it down. According to various local newspapers, there was a UFO sighting in the town of Belt, Montana, about 50km from Malmstrom AFB on March 24... eight days after the Echo Flight incident. Because of the discrepancy of those eight days, Salas decided that that must be the date he remembered. So, according to the best history he and Klotz were able to cobble together, the Echo Flight incident was on March 16, and the UFO-caused Oscar Flight incident he remembers must have been "on or about" March 24. Therefore, according to Salas, there was not one but two incidents where UFOs shut down missiles, just over a week apart. All existing Air Force records say no, there was just one incident, at Echo, on the 16th, and no UFOs were involved.

Later in 2010, Salas went back to some of his colleagues from 1967 and asked for statements describing what they remembered, but what he received were vague, noncommittal, second or third hand, and written from 43-year-old memories tainted by the Faded Giant and UFOs and Nukes books having both been out for years. Two others, missile officers Captain Eric Carlson and Lieutenant Walter Figel, had strongly worded replies once the book came out. Carlson said:

"I have talked to a newspaper writer in Great Falls, several years ago, and a TV producer from one of those UFO shows. With both these individuals I denied any knowledge of any UFOs at Malmstrom. In addition, I stated that there was no, repeat no, incident at Oscar flight as Salas maintains... My memory is quite good regarding the events at Malmstrom and there is no doubt in my mind that there were no reports of UFOs and no incident at Oscar flight."

And Figel said:

"I do not personally believe that UFOs had anything to do with Echo flight shutting down that year. I repeated that I never heard about an incident at November or Oscar flight and have no knowledge that they ever happened and that I doubted they did.... I have read both of their books. There are many inaccurate statements and events in the books... For instance, Oscar flight NEVER had any problems."

Obviously there's very little we can draw from the 50+year-old memories of any of these men. Their memories do not agree at all. Even if they did, it would be the documented evidence of what took place at the time that would be our primary source.

 

Nice try though Sky. Every post you make chips away at your credibility here. 

[skyeagle409]

17 hours ago, Trelane said:

You have ignored the entirety of the documents so you are once again showing a bias towards your fantasy. But ok since you want to continue on about "UFOs".

As far as UFOs go, there is only a single mention in the entire document of anything like UFOs or lights or strange things in the sky:

Rumors of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO) around the area of Echo Flight during the time of fault were disproven. A Mobile Strike Team, which had checked all November Flight's LFs on the morning of 16 March 67, were questioned and stated that no unusual activity or sightings were observed.

Period. So, whatever Salas was remembering from all those decades ago, the records of the Wing remembered it differently.

But if the UFOs form such a ubiquitous part of this story, why was it found that nobody had reported anything usual on that night? Because it hadn't happened yet, and wouldn't for more than a week. Salas and Klotz did track it down. According to various local newspapers, there was a UFO sighting in the town of Belt, Montana, about 50km from Malmstrom AFB on March 24... eight days after the Echo Flight incident. Because of the discrepancy of those eight days, Salas decided that that must be the date he remembered. So, according to the best history he and Klotz were able to cobble together, the Echo Flight incident was on March 16, and the UFO-caused Oscar Flight incident he remembers must have been "on or about" March 24. Therefore, according to Salas, there was not one but two incidents where UFOs shut down missiles, just over a week apart. All existing Air Force records say no, there was just one incident, at Echo, on the 16th, and no UFOs were involved.

Later in 2010, Salas went back to some of his colleagues from 1967 and asked for statements describing what they remembered, but what he received were vague, noncommittal, second or third hand, and written from 43-year-old memories tainted by the Faded Giant and UFOs and Nukes books having both been out for years. Two others, missile officers Captain Eric Carlson and Lieutenant Walter Figel, had strongly worded replies once the book came out. Carlson said:

"I have talked to a newspaper writer in Great Falls, several years ago, and a TV producer from one of those UFO shows. With both these individuals I denied any knowledge of any UFOs at Malmstrom. In addition, I stated that there was no, repeat no, incident at Oscar flight as Salas maintains... My memory is quite good regarding the events at Malmstrom and there is no doubt in my mind that there were no reports of UFOs and no incident at Oscar flight."

And Figel said:

"I do not personally believe that UFOs had anything to do with Echo flight shutting down that year. I repeated that I never heard about an incident at November or Oscar flight and have no knowledge that they ever happened and that I doubted they did.... I have read both of their books. There are many inaccurate statements and events in the books... For instance, Oscar flight NEVER had any problems."

Obviously there's very little we can draw from the 50+year-old memories of any of these men. Their memories do not agree at all. Even if they did, it would be the documented evidence of what took place at the time that would be our primary source.

 

Nice try though Sky. Every post you make chips away at your credibility here. 

Only Echo Flight and Oscar Flight were involved. Now, let's hear the rest of the story about Col. Walter Figel.

Colonel Walter Figel

On March 16, 1967, 10 Minuteman-I nuclear missiles operated by Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana, suddenly malfunctioned one after the other, just as a “large round object” was reported to be hovering “directly over” one of them—according to retired USAF Col. Walter Figel, one of two launch officers on duty at Echo Flight during the incident.

Figel received the startling news while in the flight’s underground launch control center, via a two-way radio call from an Air Force security guard posted at the missile silo in question. Although skeptical, then-Lt. Figel dispatched a couple of two-man Security Alert Teams to the field to investigate. They subsequently confirmed the presence of the UFO.

Colonel Walter Figel Interview

WF: Then when the first [missile] went down, and I talked to the security [team] out there, they reported this UFO hovering over the site. I said, “Yeah, right. What have you guys been drinking out there?” And we [sent] Strike teams to both of the sites that had been occupied.

WF: These Strike Teams—I didn’t tell them what we had heard [about the UFO]—you know, via the LF radio, and I told them to go get within a mile of the site there and call back in on the VHF (Very High Frequency telephone). And they both reported that we had two maintenance crews, two security troops on-site, and two Strike Teams, all reporting it (UFO).

 

Walter Figel and Robert Hastings Interview

Interview with Colonel Walter Figel, Mar. 8, 2010

RH: What was the demeanor of the guard you were talking to?

WF: Um, you know, I wouldn't say panicked, or anything [like that]. I was thinking he was yanking my chain more than anything else.

RH: But he seemed to be serious to you?

WF: He seemed to be serious and I wasn't taking him seriously.

RH: Alright. If it was a large object, did he describe the shape of the object?

WF: He just said a large, round object.

RH: Directly over the LF (Launch Facility)?

WF: Directly over the site.

 

 

Walt Figel and Robert Salas

WF: ...having a dozen [sic] missiles go down in one flight is significant. [Laughs] Let's face it, the [average] failure rate was nowheres near—was miniscule compared to that.

RS: That's right, and then UFO sightings at the same time.

WF: Well, I [reportedly] had them hovering over the sites, you know, and I said, "Right, I'm not a believer in that crap!" And that was reported over the secure line, and I told those guys to make no transmissions and, when the Strike Team got out there—they were on VHF back to me—and they had no idea in the world what I even told them to look for, and they reported them [too].

In other words, Col Walter Figel did in fact, confirm that a UFO was reported over the site.

 

Echo Flight UFO Incident Not Unique: Retired Col. Frederick Meiwald Says “Bright Object” Also Sighted During OSCAR Flight Missile Malfunctions

Echo Flight UFO Incident Not Unique: Retired Col. Frederick Meiwald Says “Bright Object” Also Sighted During OSCAR Flight Missile Malfunctions (theufochronicles.com)

 

Echo Flight Investigation

Several military activities and other engineering firms participated in the investigation, but no positive cause for the shutdowns was ever found, despite extensive and concentrated effort. One conclusion was that the only way a pulse or noise could be sent in from outside the shielded system was through an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) from an unknown source. 

What are UFOs known for? Electromagnetic pulse (EMP) 

To sum it all up, UFOs were in fact, reported over the Malmstrom AFB sites in 1967 so now, you know the rest of the story.

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Trelane]

Well that's great so you've once again completely ignored what has been provided by me. That was my last straw in trying to debate in a respectful manner to you. You are a liar and and being deliberate obtuse doesn't change the facts and reality of this event. The facts of the actual investigations speak for themselves. I'm finished with this foolishness.

[skyeagle409]

18 hours ago, Trelane said:

Well that's great so you've once again completely ignored what has been provided by me. That was my last straw in trying to debate in a respectful manner to you. You are a liar and and being deliberate obtuse doesn't change the facts and reality of this event. The facts of the actual investigations speak for themselves. I'm finished with this foolishness.

I didn't ignore what you've posted, which is why I posted comments from those who were there who have stated for the record that UFOs were in fact, reported over the missile sites, but what did that flawed report you posted have to say? As mentioned before, the investigators found no flaws that could have disabled 10 missiles at the same time.