Trelane Posted July 16, 2023 #76 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Post #70 answers that question succinctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 16, 2023 #77 Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers that question succinctly. Invalid response on your part in reference to the fact that investigators found no faults that would account for the disabling of all 10 missiles at the same time. The design of the missile systems are such that a problem in one missile silo will not affect the remaining 9 missile silos. because each missile silo is independent of one another. Once again, bring in 10 dominoes and stand each one of them 12 inches apart. Now, knock over domino #1 and you will notice that the remaining 9 dominoes remain standing because the dominoes have been placed too far apart to affect one another. That is how the Minuteman missile system is designed and rightly so because we can't have a problem with one missile that will affect national security by knocking out the remaining operational missiles. That is not how it works in the real world and what you have shown is your lack of knowledge of how the Minuteman missile system was designed. So basically speaking, what you are saying is that despite 10 dominos having been placed 12 inches apart, knocking over any one of the dominoes will still knock over the remaining dominoes. Realistically speaking, that is not how reality works in your case. Former Boeing Engineer, Robert Kaminski, Lead Investigator There were no significant failures, engineering data or findings that would explain how ten missiles were knocked off alert. This indeed turned out to be a rare event and not encountered before. The use of backup power systems and other technical system circuit operational redundancy strongly suggests that this kind of event is virtually impossible once the system was up and running and on line with other LCF's and LF's interconnectivity. Edited July 16, 2023 by skyeagle409 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 16, 2023 #78 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 16, 2023 #79 Share Posted July 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. Once again because no technical problems were found that could have disabled all 10 missiles at once, which was confirmed by the investigation team. I also noticed that you ignored the findings of the investigators and testimonies from airmen who were there at the time of the incident who reported that a UFO was in fact, seen over the area when the missiles were disabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 17, 2023 #80 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. End of story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 17, 2023 #81 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. End of story. Sorry, but reality is not backing what you say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 17, 2023 #82 Share Posted July 17, 2023 A special note, a separate (third!) inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. Additionally the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. Salas has made a tidy earning off spinning a story off of his misremembering items from 40 years before he penned his book "Faded Giant". End of story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 17, 2023 #83 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Trelane said: A special note, a separate (third!) inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. Additionally the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. Salas has made a tidy earning off spinning a story off of his misremembering items from 40 years before he penned his book "Faded Giant". End of story. Just consider yourself another victim of the Air Force' disinformation/misinformation campaigns because you need to understand that what you have posted is not supported by the Malmstrom AFB investigation team's findings nor by airmen who were present during those incidents. Do you need to be reminded of the people who've confirmed that UFOs were in fact, reported over the areas during both incidents when the missiles were disabled? All you are revealing to me is that you have no understanding as to why the missiles systems were designed the way they were and why a problem at one silo will not affect the remaining 9 missiles and remember, there were two similar UFO incidents just days apart and Air Force personnel in both incidents have confirmed that UFOs were reported overhead during the incidents, which once again, does not support what you have posted. Case in point: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Col. Don Crawford (USAF ret.), that a two person SAT, assigned to Echo Flight, was performing a routine check of the missile launch facilities a few miles north of Lewistown, Montana. As they approached one of the launch facilities, an astonishing sight caused the driver to slam on his brakes. Stunned in amazement, they watched as, about 300 feet ahead, a very large glowing object hovered silently directly over the launch facility. Edited July 17, 2023 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 18, 2023 #84 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. Additionally the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted July 18, 2023 #85 Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. Additionally the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story. But what about the dominoes? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 18, 2023 #86 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. Additionally the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story. Youi don't seem to understand that there were no problems were found. You have shown to allowed yourself to become a victim of the Air Force's disinformation and misinformation campaigns. As an example, you posted a highly flawed report that claimed that UFO reports were "disproven," when in fact there were reports off and on the base of UFOs over the area. That was a clue there was a problem with the report you posted. Let's not forget lead investigator who said, there were no significant failures, engineering data or findings that would explain how ten missiles were knocked off alert and that the use of backup power systems and other technical system circuit operational redundancy strongly suggests that this kind of event is virtually impossible once the system was up and running and online with other LCF's and LF's interconnectivity. That fact should provide insight as to why I added the spacing of dominoes to the argument as an example that a problem in one missile silo is not going to affect the remaining 9 missiles. Add to the fact that UFOs were in fact reported overhead during the time of the shutdowns at both flights which were occurred over a span of several days. Edited July 18, 2023 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 18, 2023 #87 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. I'm proving a point so if you see this leave a reaction. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 19, 2023 #88 Share Posted July 19, 2023 8 hours ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. I'm proving a point so if you see this leave a reaction. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story. Once again, you have proven yourself vulnerable to the Air Force's disinformation and misinformation campaigns. You posted that the" Air Force has claimed there was nothing attributed to extraterrestrials in the Minot AFB case," while at the same time, the Air Force was misleading the public and falsely claiming that a weather balloon was responsible for the Roswell incident and then, the Air Force discarded its false weather balloon cover story and substituted a classified Project Mogul balloon flight #4 as responsible for the Roswell incident, but Project Mogul records show that there no such thing as Project Mogul balloon flight #4 and let's not forget that in 1997, the Air Force claimed that 6-foot test dummies and accident victims of the 1950s were the small alien bodies people saw in 1947. At some point in time, you have to realize just how vulnerable you are to the Air Force's disinformation and misinformation campaigns and let's not forget that the Air Force also claimed that UFOs over Malmstrom AFB were disproven when in fact Air Force personnel who were involved in the Malmstrom AFB incidents had reported that UFOs were in fact, seen overhead during the missile shutdowns, which was confirmed by Boeing's tech rep and the investigation team leader and I know from firsthand experience just how the Air Force has been misleading the public on UFOs for years. Remember, the Air Force misleads the public when the door is open but reveals a different explanation behind closed doors. You also posted that the "Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials," but that is not what airmen who were involved have said. In fact, the B-52 crew recorded the UFO on their own radar screen. Initial Ground-visual Observations Early in the morning of 24 October 1968, Oscar-Flight Security Controller Staff Sgt. William Smith received a report from a Camper Team posted at the Launch Facility (LF) designated Oscar-6 (O-6). According to Smith, the team was providing aboveground security for a Target Alignment Team working underground in the missile silo when they observed a large glowing object that "went down by some trees not far away." Shortly after, at 2:30 a.m., a missile maintenance team of Airman First Class Robert O'Connor and A1C Lloyd Isley were en route to the November-7 (N-7) Launch Facility when they reported an unusual light in the east to Base Operations. The strange light appeared to be pacing their vehicle while growing brighter. By the time they arrived at N-7, the bright UFO had taken up a position circling to the south.[4] In response, the Base Operations dispatcher patched in the observers at N-7 with the ground controllers at Radar Approach Control (RAPCON), established an open-line for reporting, and kept a log of the UFO activity over the next two hours. Soon, Flight Security Controllers (FSC) — the officers responsible for the security requirements at the Launch Control Facilities (LCF) — were also reporting sightings via their communications network linked to missile Wing Security Control (WSC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 19, 2023 #89 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. I'm proving a point so if you see this leave a reaction. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 19, 2023 #90 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. I'm proving a point so if you see this leave a reaction. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story Sorry, but that won't work for you, so once again, so simply consider yourself another victim of the Air Force's disinformation and misinformation campaign. For an example, the Air Force claimed the UFO that Air Force personnel saw over Minot AFB was a star and a B-52. _________________________________________________________________________________ Project Blue Book Conclusion for the Minot AFB UFO Sightings Reference SSO message 071540Z, with regards to evaluations of UFO reports from Minot AFB. The following conclusions have been reached after a thorough study of the data submitted to the Foreign Technology Division. The ground visual sightings appear to be of the star Sirius and the B-52 which was flying in the area. _________________________________________________________________________________ Well, let's take a look at the "star" the Air Force claimed was the "UFO" that was recorded on the radar scope of the "B-52" the Air Force also claimed was the UFO that Air Force personnel saw over Minot AFB. · Photos 772-773. The position of the UFO echo changes respectively from 1.12 nm at 244 degrees, to 1.05 nm at 039 degrees. This corresponds to a displacement of 2.12 nm in 1.29 seconds, which is an average relative speed of (6808 mph). The question is, how long are you going to continue to allow yourself to be a victim of the Air Force's disinformation and misinformation campaigns? Edited July 19, 2023 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 19, 2023 #91 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. Clearly, he's not reading this. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 19, 2023 #92 Share Posted July 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. Clearly, he's not reading this. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story I noticed that you failed to address what was posted at post #90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 19, 2023 #93 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. The fact he hasn't responded to this highlights his real purpose here. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story, game set and match. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 19, 2023 #94 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. The fact he hasn't responded to this highlights his real purpose here. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story, game set and match. I like the part where you relied on the Air Force as a means of support in regard to the Minot AFB UFO incident, but most importantly, your failure to address the specifics at post #90 which proved that the Air Force made a mockery of what you have been posting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 20, 2023 #95 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. The fact he hasn't responded to this sentence highlights his real purpose here. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story, game set and match. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 20, 2023 #96 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. The fact he hasn't responded to this sentence highlights his real purpose here. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story, game set and match. You posted "Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials." No such determination can be made in that respect especially when the following information is taken into consideration. So, let's take a look here because the following document provides an insight that says otherwise. What altitude did the UFO climb as reported by radar? The description of the UFO made by the B-52 co-pilot who attempted to look inside the craft as his aircraft flew past the object at close range. Image of the UFO on the B-52's radar scope The UFO was witnessed by personnel from 3 difference missiles sites. Edited July 20, 2023 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 20, 2023 #97 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. The fact he hasn't responded to this sentence highlights his real purpose here. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story, game set and match. Thanks for playing folks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 20, 2023 #98 Share Posted July 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Trelane said: Post #70 answers malfunctions succinctly, as well as previous posts that provided links to the actual investigation summaries and results. There were two completely separate investigative bodies that arrived at the same conclusions in their findings. A special note, a third and separate inquiry was made by the US Department of Energy into the Malmstrom case and it validated the previous investigations associated. The fact he hasn't responded to this sentence highlights his real purpose here. Additionally, the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency conducted a follow up inquiry to the Minot case, and it found nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. So yes, reality and logic has answered these cases long ago. End of story, game set and match. Thanks for playing folks. Let's remember, you also used the Air Force as a source where the Air Force claimed that reports of UFOs over Malmstrom AFB were disproven, which investigators and Air Force personnel who were involved have indicated that the Air Force's claim was false. And once again, you have used the Air Force as a source regarding the Minot AFB incident, but again, its conclusion which you have posted has been proven false by Air Force personnel and investigators. Now, where's your evidence the craft over Minot AFB was man-made? No evidence on your part and you have no case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 21, 2023 #99 Share Posted July 21, 2023 As has been repeated numerous times. There were separate investigative bodies that initially looked into the Minot case and concluded nothing attributable to extraterrestrials or alien craft. Subsequently, a separate inquiry was made by the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency which also concluded its report with nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted July 21, 2023 #100 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Trelane said: As has been repeated numerous times. There were separate investigative bodies that initially looked into the Minot case and concluded nothing attributable to extraterrestrials or alien craft. Subsequently, a separate inquiry was made by the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency which also concluded its report with nothing that would be deemed unexplained or attributable to extraterrestrials. Apparently, Air Force personnel who witnessed the object firsthand, in addition to the collected data and documentation on that object have proven the object was not man-made which simply means the object was an extraterrestrial craft, as stated by the co-pilot of the B-52 when he attempted to look inside the UFO as his aircraft flew near the object. You would have known that if you had listened to his video interview. Edited July 21, 2023 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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