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Saw a being of light (angel/demon?) as a kid and witnessed part of an exorcism as a pre-adolescent.


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1 hour ago, Sherapy said:

A different perspective: Devils, demons are archetypes symbolizing the internal and external struggles humans face when confronted with their own moral choices and desires, Basically the devil archetype represents the complexities and duality of human nature, aka shadow self that is the unconscious aspects of the undesirable, repressed or suppressed aspects of self. When we examine our own past actions and behaviors that may have led to trouble to begin with, understanding the motivations and underlying unresolved issues that contributed to the choices, by honestly acknowledging one’s shadow aspects in other words taking responsibility for them, the triggers, the behaviors, the beliefs we hold blindly too, biases etc.  

 

The devil’s/demon’s are the ones used to externalize blame, as opposed to taking responsibility for one’s owns actions and learning from them. 
 

I absolutely agree with that 100%..

If humanity could behave themselves in a moral and ethical way, then demons wouldn't exist.

They wouldn't have the oxygen/hatred to survive.

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3 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Such as?

Mara is the chief tempter..

 

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Subjective experience is not the same as the reality of objective experience--it's all in your head.

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47 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Subjective experience is not the same as the reality of objective experience--it's all in your head.

And yet two people can look at the exact same thing, one cry's, and the other laughs..

Yes, its all in your head, guided by ones heart.

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54 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Mara is the chief tempter..

He's not a "demon" in the Western sense. He's a metaphor and the personification of ignorance. There are 4 aspects of him.

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1 minute ago, Piney said:

He's not a "demon" in the Western sense. He's a metaphor and the personification of ignorance. There are 4 aspects of him.

Did you just google that?

Then you obviously don't know that he sent a beautiful young lady to tempt Siddhartha just before his awakening, and when that failed, sent his whole hoard of demons to try and scare the Buddha out of His concentration.

Of course, it didn't work.

Because demons have no power except that to which we choose to give, them!!

Your choice.

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14 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Did you just google that?

Then you obviously don't know that he sent a beautiful young lady to tempt Siddhartha just before his awakening, and when that failed, sent his whole hoard of demons to try and scare the Buddha out of His concentration.

Of course, it didn't work.

Because demons have no power except that to which we choose to give, them!!

Your choice.

No, I'm actually a ordained Sohei who studied at real Temples.

In Buddhism they are nothing more than metaphorical. As with the story itself.

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1 minute ago, Piney said:

No, I'm actually a ordained Sohei who studied at real Temples.

In Buddhism they are nothing more than metaphorical. As with the story itself.

Everything's a metaphor in Buddhism..

An outa expression of an inner feeling, to help one awaken.

At least that's my take.

 

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8 minutes ago, Antivalue said:

Pure bigotry in the community. Pitiful. What a waste of time this has been...

Thanks for uplifting words of wisdom..

Got any more?

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25 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Everything's a metaphor in Buddhism..

An outa expression of an inner feeling, to help one awaken.

At least that's my take.

 

Now your getting it. 

Your demons are your own and no one elses.

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34 minutes ago, Antivalue said:

Pure bigotry in the community. Pitiful. What a waste of time this has been...

Your making unsupported claims to real spiritual advisors and practitioners. There is nothing bigoted about it.

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2 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

And yet two people can look at the exact same thing, one cry's, and the other laughs..

Yes, its all in your head, guided by ones heart.

Or one's lunacy.

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9 hours ago, openozy said:

Not really a believer in God myself or monsters, just good and bad. It's a biggy for me to know what threw me though, some kind of telekinesis? it messed me up very bad at the time and have never found an answer more than 30 years later. My friends witnessed this.

Your report is similar to something others report about an unseen-source's physical intervention in a moment of crisis (including at least one member here who has written about it at some length a few years ago). I get it, and respect, that it felt to you as if someone else or something else physically moved you, not you.

You're probably not going to accept that you yourself did it (or to be more precise, the part of you that knew the danger you were in, one of the parts that neither needs nor asks for your conscious assent to take decisive action). I'm just saying what I think happened, based on what I know of the human experience in general (nowhere near enough).

And I absolutely believe it really happened, but not because I believe in angels or whatever. There's more to us than meets the eye, including our own.

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5 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Everything's a metaphor in Buddhism..

An outa expression of an inner feeling, to help one awaken.

At least that's my take.

 

In Buddhism, flaws are not seen as negatives,  but aspects of human existence. Suffering is an inherent part of existence due to the impermanent and conditioned aspects of life and in the broadest sense it will continue to exist in the world, in Buddhism, the cessation of suffering or “ awakened” basically refers to the possibility of getting to a place where one no longer creates or adds on additional suffering for themselves through their actions, thoughts, or attitudes. 
 

An awakened person will still encounter circumstances that involve challenges what will be observed is an ability to respond with wisdom, compassion and equanimity, in this way one navigates life’s difficulties without amplifying, or perpetuating more suffering. The aim of Buddhism is not to eradicate all frames of suffering from life but offer some insights and tools to deal with the ways ignorance, attachment and aversion can contribute to unnecessary suffering. 
 

For ex: say we have two people Lulu and Rosie, both have received notice that they no longer have a job. Both are upset and worried about the situation. Lulu immediately adopts a mindset that looks at the potential positives, she recognizes that losing a job can happen and sees this as an opportunity for growth and reevaluation and change. She uses her proactive attitude, seeking new employment opportunities, networking with others and focusing on her skills and strengths, looks into updating her skills with an online course. Lulu keeps reminding herself that this setback is temporary and she reminds herself that she is capable of getting thru it, she understands and validates that it is okay to have feelings of discomfort and uncertainty, yet, in adopting a more proactive approach she mitigates her overall suffering therefore minimizing it beyond the initial shock. Rosie on the other hand, immediately falls into a negative spiral, seeing herself as a personal failure and incompetent, she continues to beat herself up until she becomes consumed by feelings of hopelessness which then affects her motivation to seek new opportunities. This turns into months of isolation and self criticism her suffering is exacerbated and the adverse effects become worse and prolonged. 

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1 hour ago, eight bits said:

Your report is similar to something others report about an unseen-source's physical intervention in a moment of crisis (including at least one member here who has written about it at some length a few years ago). I get it, and respect, that it felt to you as if someone else or something else physically moved you, not you.

You're probably not going to accept that you yourself did it (or to be more precise, the part of you that knew the danger you were in, one of the parts that neither needs nor asks for your conscious assent to take decisive action). I'm just saying what I think happened, based on what I know of the human experience in general (nowhere near enough).

And I absolutely believe it really happened, but not because I believe in angels or whatever. There's more to us than meets the eye, including our own.

It's a long story but there were three figures that came in dressed in black. two were what looked like humans, the other had a face covered in black hair. This is the one that picked me up and threw me. My friends didn't see the figures, just me flying across the room. I'll never know if it was just my mind that did this but I didn't go to work for three months and could hardly get out of bed, I was totally traumatized by this. This was by far my worst paranormal experience and the only physical one apart from things walking into me and brushing or bumping. One thing I learnt was to never cross into the bad or evil side of me. It makes me sick talking about it but I've had many beautiful paranormal things happen so I focus on these.

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2 hours ago, eight bits said:

Your report is similar to something others report about an unseen-source's physical intervention in a moment of crisis (including at least one member here who has written about it at some length a few years ago). I get it, and respect, that it felt to you as if someone else or something else physically moved you, not you.

You're probably not going to accept that you yourself did it (or to be more precise, the part of you that knew the danger you were in, one of the parts that neither needs nor asks for your conscious assent to take decisive action). I'm just saying what I think happened, based on what I know of the human experience in general (nowhere near enough).

And I absolutely believe it really happened, but not because I believe in angels or whatever. There's more to us than meets the eye, including our own.

I thought of Helen, the morning I woke up to her standing over me with a pair of scissors getting ready to stab me and how powerful the fear was at propelling my body to move to get to safety while at the same time possessing a hyper vigilance to scan the room for my phone and get to it. I  back flipped out of the bed and grabbed my phone and called 911. Or the time I was hiking with my son and thought I saw a rattler it felt like an invisible force/ hand stopped us cold. Another time, I was so stressed out my body had a strong urge to go for a run, it almost felt like my body was going without me. My body in these cases reacted before it even registered cognitively, you are correct the amygdala is an important part of the limbic system and has a huge part in activating the flight or fight response it prepares the body to fight or flight. It can aLso override cognition the amygdala triggers a rapid and automatic response before the conscious  mind has time to assess the situation. We are biologically wired to survive from potential predators and in the times these things are bonafide situations of danger our bodies respond. For me, it is mind blowing we are wired to do this. It isn’t necessary to undergird it with woo. 
 

I believe open ezy, that he was terrified just not the conclusion as to the cause, to me science explains it pretty good as it is. 

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I suppose I'll bring back an oldie of mine.

Thinking about yawning. The feeling, sound, sensation of yawning. Thinking about other people yawning. Do this mentally over and over again, till you yawn. Then do it to the point where the mere thought brings the urge.

Our thoughts can be very powerful. 

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2 hours ago, Sherapy said:

We are biologically wired to survive from potential predators and in the times these things are bonafide situations of danger our bodies respond. For me, it is mind blowing we are wired to do this. It isn’t necessary to undergird it with woo. 
 

Would you call this genetic memory? I have Jack Russells from working lines, I used to breed a few and they would try to get down holes from about 5 weeks, not always containing rats, rabbits or fox, so no scent. They also knew what snakes were from that age and would jump back in defence as they tried to kill it, like their bodies were in control of their immature brains.

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On 6/29/2023 at 6:33 AM, openozy said:

You could be right, I was thrown upside down against a wall when I was about to do something there was no coming back from. It could have been the power of my not right mind at the time or it could have been Angels in disguise because I didn't go through with it after that, but I was thrown. What are your thoughts on Angels Xeno? If you want to say.

To be thrown is different than throwing one’s self.  Having had the experience of an “invisible” being touching me before, I do believe it does occur on occasion.  What it is, how it is, I do not know, to this day. However, the one thing that I feel certain about is that it was a power of some kind aside from myself.  For decades I thought it was an angel because the being saved me from physical harm.

In other words, it was not the power of imagination or the human mind that explains the experience I had.  Now, if it can be proven that a person can lift their own body weight off the ground with the power of the mind, I will reconsider the possibilities.

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1 hour ago, Guyver said:

In other words, it was not the power of imagination or the human mind that explains the experience I had.  Now, if it can be proven that a person can lift their own body weight off the ground with the power of the mind, I will reconsider the possibilities.

What does the "power of the mind" have to do with it? If you can jump, then you can jump without remembering having wanted to.

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28 minutes ago, eight bits said:

What does the "power of the mind" have to do with it? If you can jump, then you can jump without remembering having wanted to.

A person cannot jump with their feet off the ground.  A quadriplegic cannot jump.  So, the power of the mind has everything to do with being able to jump, and also everything to do with not being able to jump, as I see it.

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11 minutes ago, Guyver said:

A person cannot jump with their feet off the ground.  A quadriplegic cannot jump.  So, the power of the mind has everything to do with being able to jump, and also everything to do with not being able to jump, as I see it.

You do know that in a crisis situation the mind can distort the perception of reality. Along with altering memories of the event.

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On 6/29/2023 at 8:10 PM, openozy said:

Would you call this genetic memory? I have Jack Russells from working lines, I used to breed a few and they would try to get down holes from about 5 weeks, not always containing rats, rabbits or fox, so no scent. They also knew what snakes were from that age and would jump back in defence as they tried to kill it, like their bodies were in control of their immature brains.

I would say the ability to produce adrenaline is genetically determined but the triggering of the flight or fight response is a universal response that is not specific to any particular genetic variation. I would add it is the bodies response to adrenaline which is an innate physiological response that is shared by humans and many animals. When faced with a perceived threat or stressful situation the body releases adrenaline aka epinephrine into the bloodstream. This release triggers physiological changes in the body specifically enhanced physical performance, increased blood flow to the muscles, heightened alertness, dilated pupils and increased heart rate these responses are preparing the body for a quick and efficient response to an emergency situation. 

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1 hour ago, Guyver said:

A person cannot jump with their feet off the ground.  A quadriplegic cannot jump.  So, the power of the mind has everything to do with being able to jump, and also everything to do with not being able to jump, as I see it.

Not necessarily Guyv, cognition can be overridden by the amygdala. 

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