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Saw a being of light (angel/demon?) as a kid and witnessed part of an exorcism as a pre-adolescent.


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3 hours ago, Guyver said:

To be thrown is different than throwing one’s self.  Having had the experience of an “invisible” being touching me before, I do believe it does occur on occasion.  What it is, how it is, I do not know, to this day. However, the one thing that I feel certain about is that it was a power of some kind aside from myself.  For decades I thought it was an angel because the being saved me from physical harm.

In other words, it was not the power of imagination or the human mind that explains the experience I had.  Now, if it can be proven that a person can lift their own body weight off the ground with the power of the mind, I will reconsider the possibilities.

Guyver, ice skaters and gymnasts can lift their body weight off the ground. It is a matter of physical training, technique, strength and body composition. 

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1 hour ago, Guyver said:

A person cannot jump with their feet off the ground.  A quadriplegic cannot jump.  So, the power of the mind has everything to do with being able to jump, and also everything to do with not being able to jump, as I see it.

There seems to be some confusion: I was responding to your brief description of your experience (which seemed to involve vertical displacement from an initial position in contact with the ground). I grasp that you may have been prone, seated, or doing handstands at the time in question. In which case, you didn't jump but nevertheless some part of you was in contact with something that prevented your descent to the center of the earth (on pain of that being an even better story). The issue raised by your experience may still be how you recall the matter.

If you are a quadriplegic, then I have misunderstood many of your posts about golf, musical performance, and other things. Please accept my apologies in that case.

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31 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Going to be honest, it looks extremely fake.

I recall (maybe CBS's 60 minutes used to have some vintage clips on YouTube or the like) that long ago, the transcendental meditation folks claimed that devotees could learn to levitate. There were still images of TM people seated in the lotus position floating maybe a foot or so off the floor. The 60 minutes crew went to a gymnastics team, showed them the pictures, and asked whether they could do likewise.

There was a bit of trial and error, but after a reasonably short time, some of the athletes could get themselves maybe six inches off the floor while maintaining a lotus. The effect on film was a "hop," but remember the target was still images. The news team declared victory. Obviously, the TM subjects had all the time in the world to improve their technique.

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"Extreme violence" and alcoholism? Some people remain drunks or drug addicts for decades. It seems ur parents want a cover for the bad behavior. Since alcohol/drug abuse causes shame and embarrassment. So let's call the priest or blame the "negative entities" again and again.  Please be weary of manipulative people (even in ur family).

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1 hour ago, Sherapy said:

Not necessarily Guyv, cognition can be overridden by the amygdala. 

I love it when you talk scientific! :wub:

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2 hours ago, Sherapy said:

Not necessarily Guyv, cognition can be overridden by the amygdala. 

Would you mind elaborating on what you mean specifically?

 

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3 hours ago, XenoFish said:

You do know that in a crisis situation the mind can distort the perception of reality. Along with altering memories of the event.

Sure, such a thing is possible.  I've experienced it.  Once, when I was flying over a cliff in a sideways spin in my four wheel drive truck, I experienced the effect some people call time dilation.  Others describe their "lives flashing before their eyes."  In my case, I didn't know if I was going to live or die, and I wasn't afraid, and I wasn't thinking about that part of it.  It was more a situation that when I felt my truck "jump" from a rut and catch some air, the momentum carried me and a girlfriend over the side of a cliff.....not terribly high...but we were doing about 60 mph on the dirt.  Anyway, as we were flying through the air and obviously going to roll, the event seemed to take forever to occur....but in reality it was only a few seconds.  I remember hitting the ground first on my side, and rolling a couple more times before coming to a rest wheels down.  Now, the truck was completely totaled, but we were largely unharmed.  I would call that a crisis situation, and yet I have good memories of the event, events leading up to the event, and the events which occurred afterward.  So, in my case at least what you're describing is not an event.

But, in the case of Vesna Vulovic, the stewardess who survived a freefall of some 33,000 feet....she has no recollection of the event. 

PS.  Its funny how you, 8 and Sherapy responded to posts I made, and got likes.....but I got zip.  Not a single like or thanks.  It's pretty clear that readers find the things that other people say worthy of some appreciation, but not what I say, and I speak truth.  That blows, IMHO. 

 

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2 hours ago, Sherapy said:

Guyver, ice skaters and gymnasts can lift their body weight off the ground. It is a matter of physical training, technique, strength and body composition. 

They cannot lift their body off the ground, or any other thing soley with the power of the mind.  And no athlete, no matter how gifted, can jump without their feet being on the ground.  It's simple physics.  Take any human you want, suspend them a foot off the ground with a harness.....and ask them to jump.  See what happens.  

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9 minutes ago, Guyver said:

PS.  Its funny how you, 8 and Sherapy responded to posts I made, and got likes.....but I got zip.  Not a single like or thanks.  It's pretty clear that readers find the things that other people say worthy of some appreciation, but not what I say, and I speak truth.  That blows, IMHO. 

 

You'll live. 

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2 hours ago, eight bits said:

There seems to be some confusion: I was responding to your brief description of your experience (which seemed to involve vertical displacement from an initial position in contact with the ground). I grasp that you may have been prone, seated, or doing handstands at the time in question. In which case, you didn't jump but nevertheless some part of you was in contact with something that prevented your descent to the center of the earth (on pain of that being an even better story). The issue raised by your experience may still be how you recall the matter.

If you are a quadriplegic, then I have misunderstood many of your posts about golf, musical performance, and other things. Please accept my apologies in that case.

I am not a quadriplegic and I don't know how one  could play golf.  The point I made about a person being able to move or jump with the power of the mind was in direct relation to some people attempting to explain away my experience, or Ozzy's by claiming it was an invention of the mind, a result of the power of the mind, or "all in the head" as some people would explain it.  By using such terms, people are dismissive about my experience and similar experiences claimed by others.  If my experience were "all in my head" it's another way of saying it wasn't real.  Now, I may not be the smartest person in the world, but one thing I can say about myself is that I have a good ability to distinguish reality from fantasy.  

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2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

You'll live. 

Yes sir.....it is likely that I will.  Still....just saying.  

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4 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Yes sir.....it is likely that I will.  Still....just saying.  

Look I get it. I've had weird stuff happened a bit in my occult days. But to be honest, I can explain it all through psychology. To myself and perhaps others, your tale is just that, a story. None of us were there and all we have to go on is your recollection. The thing is that whenever we remember something there is a slight edit to that memory. Trying to recount something from 5, 10, 20, plus years ago will not be 100% accurate. 

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2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Look I get it. I've had weird stuff happened a bit in my occult days. But to be honest, I can explain it all through psychology. To myself and perhaps others, your tale is just that, a story. None of us were there and all we have to go on is your recollection. The thing is that whenever we remember something this is a slight edit to that memory. Trying to recount something from 5, 10, 20, plus years ago will not be 100% accurate. 

You're right.  And I do get it.  Most people probably don't believe what I said happened to me, and we all know people lie, so it is easy to dismiss, and difficult to accept as being real.  I do understand this.....and this is why I don't talk about my experiences around here much anymore.  So, yeah....I am whining about it....and yet I do understand why most people, especially atheists and skeptics would not accept my story as truth.  Instead, they may accept that do in fact believe what I'm saying is true as I remember it....but as you pointed out...memories are not always perfectly reliable either.  So yeah....point taken.  

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1 minute ago, Guyver said:

You're right.  And I do get it.  Most people probably don't believe what I said happened to me, and we all know people lie, so it is easy to dismiss, and difficult to accept as being real.  I do understand this.....and this is why I don't talk about my experiences around here much anymore.  So, yeah....I am whining about it....and yet I do understand why most people, especially atheists and skeptics would not accept my story as truth.  Instead, they may accept that do in fact believe what I'm saying is true as I remember it....but as you pointed out...memories are not always perfectly reliable either.  So yeah....point taken.  

I did a spirit evocation on halloween night in a graveyard. Only to wake up the next morning to all the kitchen cabinets open. I drop that on the forum and people would rip it apart. Especially if it was under a different account (no I don't have one). I figure it was my wife and kids having a go at me. Still. It's not like I don't get it. 

When it comes to a lot of this, I figure the motivations might be resentment towards the paranormal, supernatural, spiritual, etc. Resentment, disappointment, doubt, fear, etc. My drive was disappointment and regret. I did a lot of magical practices. Had a ton of results from sigils and even runes, especially runes. Even the psychokinetic events were too inconsistent to convince me it was true. I never really had much of "Oh, hell a ghost/spirit/demon/angel." Weird dreams almost prophetic, sure. But I can not in any way, shape or form prove any of that. It's just a story to everyone. 

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1 hour ago, Guyver said:

I am not a quadriplegic and I don't know how one  could play golf.  The point I made about a person being able to move or jump with the power of the mind was in direct relation to some people attempting to explain away my experience, or Ozzy's by claiming it was an invention of the mind, a result of the power of the mind, or "all in the head" as some people would explain it.  By using such terms, people are dismissive about my experience and similar experiences claimed by others.  If my experience were "all in my head" it's another way of saying it wasn't real.  Now, I may not be the smartest person in the world, but one thing I can say about myself is that I have a good ability to distinguish reality from fantasy.  

Where have I denied that what you or Ozzy report really happened?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Guyver said:

They cannot lift their body off the ground, or any other thing soley with the power of the mind.  And no athlete, no matter how gifted, can jump without their feet being on the ground.  It's simple physics.  Take any human you want, suspend them a foot off the ground with a harness.....and ask them to jump.  See what happens.  

Guyv., to clarify. I stated the following: I take your perspective. 

“Guyver, ice skaters and gymnasts can lift their body weight off the ground. It is a matter of physical training, technique, strength and body composition. “
 

The amygdala can override the frontal cortex in some cases meaning in times of intense fear or stress the amygdala can send signals that impact the frontal cortex leading to an activation of the flight or fight response without much input from rational thinking. There are even therapies that  deal with a hyper sensitive amygdala that come from an abusive childhood etc

 

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How do you deal with a friend who starts talking woo? The best course of action is to nod politely, think twice and say nothing. What matters is that it was real for them. Condescension or medical advice won't help anything.

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19 minutes ago, eight bits said:

Where have I denied that what you or Ozzy report really happened?

 

 

Exactly, and, both you and I stated that we believe Open ezy could be propelled, where we veered was on the reasons why. Admittedly, I tend to err on the side of biology. I am a facts girl, but that doesn’t mean that something didn’t happen physically. I have had experiences myself, so have you. :D

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1 hour ago, Guyver said:

Would you mind elaborating on what you mean specifically?

 

See post 50. 

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1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

How do you deal with a friend who starts talking woo? The best course of action is to nod politely, think twice and say nothing. What matters is that it was real for them. Condescension or medical advice won't help anything.

That's the same response I'd give to someone even though experiencing it myself. Other people's experiences with this even raise a doubting smile with me, it's impossible to accept or you don't want to.

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9 hours ago, Guyver said:

n other words, it was not the power of imagination or the human mind that explains the experience I had.  Now, if it can be proven that a person can lift their own body weight off the ground with the power of the mind, I will reconsider the possibilities

I don't believe it was mind power with me but I'm still hopeful for a rational answer, the alternative is horrifying at best.

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40 minutes ago, openozy said:

That's the same response I'd give to someone even though experiencing it myself. Other people's experiences with this even raise a doubting smile with me, it's impossible to accept or you don't want to.

Few people have not had an inexplicable experience or two; it's just that most don't talk about them. Since our senses can play tricks on us, we're, as often as not, in doubt they even really happened.

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1 hour ago, openozy said:

I don't believe it was mind power with me but I'm still hopeful for a rational answer, the alternative is horrifying at best.

I hear you.  Yours is a rough one.

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