pellinore Posted July 6, 2023 #1 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) Tanya Howes has avoided jail despite admitting to the possession of indecent images of children. A trans woman has been spared jail after her case was delayed while officials debated whether she should go to a male or female prison. Magistrates told Tanya Howes, 66, the offences - which included being caught with indecent images of children, would usually attract an immediate custodial sentence. But they had decided to suspend a 12-month jail term due to the delays to her case. Trans paedophile avoids jail | UK | News | Express.co.uk Edited July 6, 2023 by pellinore 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 6, 2023 #2 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Asses... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted July 6, 2023 #3 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Only 12 months for so many offences? There's always solitary confinement. No gender issues then. The law itself seems inadequate here. 12 months? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted July 6, 2023 #4 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, pellinore said: Tanya Howes has avoided jail despite admitting to the possession of indecent images of children. Mandatory death sentence preferable in all cases of the "Child Addicted". Zero tolerance imo. If someone can't understand that we must protect our young, not rape them, they aren't human enough to live. Edited July 6, 2023 by Alchopwn 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted July 6, 2023 Author #5 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Alchopwn said: Mandatory death sentence preferable in all cases of the "Child Addicted". Zero tolerance imo. If someone can't understand that we must protect our young, not rape them, they aren't human enough to live. Hold on. if someone just downloads images and has fantasies he/she doesn't act on, a death sentence is a bit harsh, don't you think? I know viewers of all sorts of porn are funding the industry, but people can't help their innate urges. They can just choose not to act on them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted July 6, 2023 Author #6 Share Posted July 6, 2023 3 hours ago, psyche101 said: There's always solitary confinement. No gender issues then. I think the most significant aspect of this case is the dilemma trans prisoners pose. Solitary would be too expensive, I think. Perhaps a totally separate prison for trans people? The problem here is the trans person is also a sex offender. I guess trans people can be incarcerated for all sorts of offences. This report suggests they are discriminated against and disadvantaged both in and out of prison:What the Survey of Prison Inmates tells us about trans people in state prison | Prison Policy Initiative 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 6, 2023 #7 Share Posted July 6, 2023 The state needs to get them executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted July 6, 2023 #8 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 hours ago, pellinore said: Hold on. if someone just downloads images and has fantasies he/she doesn't act on, a death sentence is a bit harsh, don't you think? I know viewers of all sorts of porn are funding the industry, but people can't help their innate urges. They can just choose not to act on them. Beside hackers putting images on someone else computer could be a thing, proof of someone doing it with full knowledges make him prone to be put on fresh organs provider short list and dismembered for beter uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted July 6, 2023 #9 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, pellinore said: Hold on. if someone just downloads images and has fantasies he/she doesn't act on, a death sentence is a bit harsh, don't you think? I know viewers of all sorts of porn are funding the industry, but people can't help their innate urges. They can just choose not to act on them. If they are downloading images of children being molested, then they are contributing to an industry of child molesters, and that is even worse in many ways than molesting a single child, surely? If anyone happens to stumble across kiddie porn, the best and only recourse is to record the site details and go straight to the police imo. Edited July 6, 2023 by Alchopwn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 6, 2023 #10 Share Posted July 6, 2023 There is quite a lot of science and engineering in how the internet, emails, modems, and systems work. If you ever get hacked just go to the police. You`ll get investigated but as soon as they start going through the technical side and making requests to your ISP they will know it was hacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 6, 2023 #11 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Alchopwn said: If they are downloading images of children being molested, then they are contributing to an industry of child molesters, and that is even worse in many ways than molesting a single child, surely? If anyone happens to stumble across kiddie porn, the best and only recourse is to record the site details and go straight to the police imo. If we aren`t going to execute all the perve`s. Then after my disappoint wears off the state has to at least brand them right on the middle of their foreheads with a P. In some ways it would be worse for them, the public will get them told and sorted out. By sorted out I mean `fixed` as in snip snip. Edited July 6, 2023 by Electric Scooter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted July 6, 2023 Author #12 Share Posted July 6, 2023 I 48 minutes ago, Alchopwn said: If they are downloading images of children being molested, then they are contributing to an industry of child molesters, and that is even worse in many ways than molesting a single child, surely? If anyone happens to stumble across kiddie porn, the best and only recourse is to record the site details and go straight to the police imo. I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm open to persuasion, but I'm tending to think capital punishment is too harsh for a passive viewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 6, 2023 #13 Share Posted July 6, 2023 36 minutes ago, pellinore said: I I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm open to persuasion, but I'm tending to think capital punishment is too harsh for a passive viewer. Snip snip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted July 6, 2023 #14 Share Posted July 6, 2023 What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted July 7, 2023 #15 Share Posted July 7, 2023 12 hours ago, pellinore said: Hold on. if someone just downloads images and has fantasies he/she doesn't act on, a death sentence is a bit harsh, don't you think? I know viewers of all sorts of porn are funding the industry, but people can't help their innate urges. They can just choose not to act on them. There is a VAST gulf of a difference between someone viewing porn (which is consensual, if it’s not its exploitation) and child 3xploitstion (which is not consensual). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted July 7, 2023 #16 Share Posted July 7, 2023 13 hours ago, pellinore said: I think the most significant aspect of this case is the dilemma trans prisoners pose. Solitary would be too expensive, I think. Perhaps a totally separate prison for trans people? The problem here is the trans person is also a sex offender. I guess trans people can be incarcerated for all sorts of offences. This report suggests they are discriminated against and disadvantaged both in and out of prison:What the Survey of Prison Inmates tells us about trans people in state prison | Prison Policy Initiative If anything it strikes me as at least a stop gap measure until more appropriate arrangements are incorporated into the system. If expensive it could expedite the process. I agree with you that death is harsh, but I don't think letting this slide is in the best interests of anyone except the perpetrator. Public backlash is also going to be highly critical. It's a can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 7, 2023 #17 Share Posted July 7, 2023 17 hours ago, Alchopwn said: Mandatory death sentence preferable in all cases of the "Child Addicted". Zero tolerance imo. If someone can't understand that we must protect our young, not rape them, they aren't human enough to live. There are many cases of people being falsely accused of this in custody cases, probably 10% of all accusations so they need to make sure of guilt before they neck people. Also it's a bit much on a child knowing they are involved in someone's execution. I do think they should be locked away forever though as I believe it's an incurable drive and they are a danger to society. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 7, 2023 #18 Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, openozy said: There are many cases of people being falsely accused of this in custody cases, probably 10% of all accusations so they need to make sure of guilt before they neck people. Also it's a bit much on a child knowing they are involved in someone's execution. I do think they should be locked away forever though as I believe it's an incurable drive and they are a danger to society. In psychology there is evidence that genetics are at least partly involved. Maybe thats the double check? Edited July 7, 2023 by Electric Scooter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted July 7, 2023 #19 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, openozy said: There are many cases of people being falsely accused of this in custody cases, probably 10% of all accusations so they need to make sure of guilt before they neck people. Also it's a bit much on a child knowing they are involved in someone's execution. I do think they should be locked away forever though as I believe it's an incurable drive and they are a danger to society. Fair point openozy and I totally agree. Custody cases bring out the very worst in people and accusations of pedophilia made under such circumstances are to be viewed with immense skepticism by the public imo. I was referring to the cases where "child addicts" are preying on children from other families. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 7, 2023 #20 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Electric Scooter said: In psychology there is evidence that genetics are at least partly involved. Maybe thats the double check? I've heard that too. Maybe educate all kids about the horrors of this, you can't single out kids from an offender on the off chance. Some of these accusations are just outright lies and the only thing nearly as bad as a peado is the person that falsely accuses an innocent person of this crime. If it is genetic you will have to kill generation after generation or kill the children of the offenders before they offend, that's not right and another reason they should abolish the death penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 7, 2023 #21 Share Posted July 7, 2023 I personally taught my daughters to punch anyone who touches them in the face and scream loudly, then come and tell me. They were only little but they listened as I've always been open and honest with them and they have grown into sensible, caring parents themselves. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted July 7, 2023 #22 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Whats the problem? Chop his dangly thingies, and he can go to female prison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted July 7, 2023 #23 Share Posted July 7, 2023 4 hours ago, bmk1245 said: Whats the problem? Chop his dangly thingies, and he can go to female prison. I kind of agree. He/she should have went to the prison of his biological gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted July 7, 2023 #24 Share Posted July 7, 2023 53 minutes ago, Myles said: I kind of agree. He/she should have went to the prison of his biological gender. If fully transitioned (male to female, with all male parts removed), I say one can go to female prison, otherwise not. Anyway, what prison transmen (female to male) are choosing... I bet, biology going in first. Imagine Ellen/Elliot Page in male prison... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 7, 2023 #25 Share Posted July 7, 2023 6 hours ago, bmk1245 said: Whats the problem? Chop his dangly thingies, and he can go to female prison. People criticise the Muslims for chopping hands off thieves and stuff, but I`m all for castration of those convicted of paedo crimes who also carry the genes indicated to be involved. How does one start a national campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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