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The Great Pyramid's Greatest Secret (Hidden in Plain Sight)


Scott Creighton

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The four narrow shafts of the Great Pyramid have long been a source of intrigue and speculation, even among mainstream commentators.  No one (mainstream or alternative) truly knows for certain their true function and every current theory as to what this might be is incomplete and often internally inconsistent.
 
While we observe a clear symmetry between the two Queen's Chamber shafts at ~39 degrees, what is much less obvious is that this apparent symmetry actually extends to and exists between all four pyramid shafts, though only when you consider these features of the Great Pyramid from a quite different perspective.
 
Here's my own (radical) take on the Great Pyramid's shafts.
 

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31 minutes ago, Scott Creighton said:
The four narrow shafts of the Great Pyramid have long been a source of intrigue and speculation, even among mainstream commentators.  No one (mainstream or alternative) truly knows for certain their true function and every current theory as to what this might be is incomplete and often internally inconsistent.
 
While we observe a clear symmetry between the two Queen's Chamber shafts at ~39 degrees, what is much less obvious is that this apparent symmetry actually extends to and exists between all four pyramid shafts, though only when you consider these features of the Great Pyramid from a quite different perspective.
 
Here's my own (radical) take on the Great Pyramid's shafts.
 

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So rather than clickbait, please summarize your idea.   

And what sort of perspective?  What proof do you have that the Egyptians used this perspective?

 

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1 hour ago, Kenemet said:

So rather than clickbait, please summarize your idea.   

And what sort of perspective?  What proof do you have that the Egyptians used this perspective?

 

Good lord! I just clicked the link and now I'm gonna have Scott's videos on my recommendations. :blink:

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48 minutes ago, Piney said:

Good lord! I just clicked the link and now I'm gonna have Scott's videos on my recommendations. :blink:

You poor b******, lucky I read the thread before taking him seriously.

One does wonder why they are not straight - bad construction, religious ideas, general stupidity? One thing I've not seen is a good diagram of their 'paths'.

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47 minutes ago, Piney said:

Good lord! I just clicked the link and now I'm gonna have Scott's videos on my recommendations. :blink:

EEEK!  Quick!  Scrub your cookies!

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Just now, Kenemet said:

EEEK!  Quick!  Scrub your cookies!

More like bleach my eyes!

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4 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

EEEK!  Quick!  Scrub your cookies!

Oh, just to check did I miss any earth shaking revelations? Or is more of...

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2 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Oh, just to check did I miss any earth shaking revelations? Or is more of...

The shaking was just flushing noises. 

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12 hours ago, Scott Creighton said:
The four narrow shafts of the Great Pyramid have long been a source of intrigue and speculation, even among mainstream commentators.  No one (mainstream or alternative) truly knows for certain their true function and every current theory as to what this might be is incomplete and often internally inconsistent.
 
While we observe a clear symmetry between the two Queen's Chamber shafts at ~39 degrees, what is much less obvious is that this apparent symmetry actually extends to and exists between all four pyramid shafts, though only when you consider these features of the Great Pyramid from a quite different perspective.
 
Here's my own (radical) take on the Great Pyramid's shafts.
 

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Sweet baby Jeezus. Wow. You've truly outdone yourself Scott. Regardless of this crazy, the notion these shafts were meant to point at any star is total bunk. 

Quoting from here: Thuban and the Descending Passages-The Key to Dating the Pyramids?

More HERE:

To quote Gantenbrink, again, regarding the question of "are they light or star shafts":

No! All the shafts bend, often several times. In addition, all the shafts begin, at their lower ends, with horizontal sections about 2 meters in length. So there is no way light from any source could ever have penetrated from the outside into either of the chambers. In several parts of the shafts, with the exception of the lower southern one, we even found extreme angle fluctuations. It is therefore ridiculous for anyone to claim that the shafts could ever have pointed precisely to certain stars. Given the many angle fluctuations, the shafts could be construed to be pointing at some 100 different stars, especially if construction of the pyramid is gratuitously redated to match specific stellar constellations.

And what really sucks is of all people who have ever posited such nonsense you know better. But you do it anyways. 

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17 hours ago, Thanos5150 said:

Given the many angle fluctuations, the shafts could be construed to be pointing at some 100 different stars, especially if construction of the pyramid is gratuitously redated to match specific stellar constellations.

And what really sucks is of all people who have ever posited such nonsense you know better. But you do it anyways. 

Very nice links.  

I also found the idea that the southern shafts pointed at anything to be improbable, because there is no "fixed star" in that part of the sky -- as you said, many constellations pass through those "points" in the course of one night.

I have occasionally wondered if they were related to a phase of construction, but AFIK they're unique to the Great Pyramid.

 

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3 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Very nice links.  

I also found the idea that the southern shafts pointed at anything to be improbable, because there is no "fixed star" in that part of the sky -- as you said, many constellations pass through those "points" in the course of one night.

I have occasionally wondered if they were related to a phase of construction, but AFIK they're unique to the Great Pyramid.

 

Its the six thousand or so points of light moving in the sky - sooner than later one will 'align' with any line pointed up at them - at some point! Magic!

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3 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Very nice links. 

Thank you.

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I also found the idea that the southern shafts pointed at anything to be improbable, because there is no "fixed star" in that part of the sky -- as you said, many constellations pass through those "points" in the course of one night.

The real problem is they not are even close to being straight lines ergo they don't "point" at anything. For anyone to say they point at specific stars, for several reasons, is just nonsense. 

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I have occasionally wondered if they were related to a phase of construction, but AFIK they're unique to the Great Pyramid.

Maybe. At they very least it appears they served a functional not symbolic purpose, the latter I find just irresponsible. They have not as yet been found in any other pyramid with most known not to have them.  

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Seriously, if I see one more Great Pyramid topic, I’m gonna puke…they’re worse than Atlantis topics. 

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6 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

Seriously, if I see one more Great Pyramid topic, I’m gonna puke…they’re worse than Atlantis topics. 

At least the Great Pyramid is real. And definitely not located in Florida. 

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12 hours ago, Thanos5150 said:

At least the Great Pyramid is real. And definitely not located in Florida. 

And it’s been relegated to like 6th in the topics list… except I just bought it up to 2nd…I’d rather shave my eyebrows than debate it…however it’s a point to be made…maybe the knowledge of the Great Pyramids is so lost…no matter how real it is. 5000 years ago, not even that, we know nothing about anything. Imagine the time before the pyramids. We know nothing about anything x 500.

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On 7/23/2023 at 5:20 AM, Thanos5150 said:

Sweet baby Jeezus. Wow. You've truly outdone yourself Scott. Regardless of this crazy, the notion these shafts were meant to point at any star is total bunk. 

Quoting from here: Thuban and the Descending Passages-The Key to Dating the Pyramids?

More HERE:

To quote Gantenbrink, again, regarding the question of "are they light or star shafts":

No! All the shafts bend, often several times. In addition, all the shafts begin, at their lower ends, with horizontal sections about 2 meters in length. So there is no way light from any source could ever have penetrated from the outside into either of the chambers. In several parts of the shafts, with the exception of the lower southern one, we even found extreme angle fluctuations. It is therefore ridiculous for anyone to claim that the shafts could ever have pointed precisely to certain stars. Given the many angle fluctuations, the shafts could be construed to be pointing at some 100 different stars, especially if construction of the pyramid is gratuitously redated to match specific stellar constellations.

And what really sucks is of all people who have ever posited such nonsense you know better. But you do it anyways. 

Hi Lee,

Thanks for taking the time to watch my video presentation, and also for your comments.

Believe it or not, I actually agree with much of what you say.

One would think that if the shafts were to ‘target’ four separate stars at meridian transit, then the builders would have taken each star’s altitude more or less at the same time and built their inclinations into the monument.  As such, when we rewind the astronomical clock, (and not withstanding the bends and kinks in the shafts), we should then (in theory) find that the four shaft inclination angles converge on these four stars on the same date (because they would originally, imo, have been recorded on the same date). But, as you rightly point out, this simply isn’t the case – the four shafts do not (and cannot) converge on a single historical date. This fact alone should indicate that these four shafts were not, in fact, ‘targeting’ four different stars at all.  They are actually, imo, indicating how one star is re-located from one part of the sky to a different part of the sky.

The star that all four shafts are ‘associated’ with is Al Nitak in Orion’s Belt. Had the builders wished to associate the Giza monuments with the middle Belt star, Al Nilam, then we would likely have found the four shafts built into Khafre (G2) this, in theory, being the stellar counterpart of this star.

What do I mean by ‘associated’? I don’t take the view that the shafts were designed to ‘shoot’ the deceased’s Ba to Al Nitak and thus required the shafts to be perfectly straight. The open channels (Lehner’s ‘model passages’) were, imo, simply to provide the Ba of the deceased to easily exit the pyramid in the correct quadrant of the celestial sphere i.e. that quadrant of the sky where Orion’s Belt (and Al Nitak) could be found. The shafts could have a dozen loop-the-loops in them but when the Ba finally exits the open shaft, it will always be in the correct sky quadrant and would be able to find Orion (Al Nitak). In summary, the open shafts, imo, were simply about ensuring the Ba of the deceased had easy exit from the pyramid and, upon exit, was placed in the correct quadrant of the sky where Orion/Al Nitak could be found, something that would be very important after each inversion event.

Today, of course, many researchers (myself included) use the angles of the shafts to derive dates from (assumed) stars at the altitudes that match the shaft’s inclinations. I write about the various problems of this approach in my books. But again, even if the shafts had a dozen loop-the-loops, we can still determine what the builder’s intended inclination was meant to be since all we actually require are the start and end points of each shaft.

Thuban – not sure this is correct. In my presentation I suggest (as hinted at by Ed Krupp) that Giza may have been constructed when the Earth was inverted, so the DP would then be upside-down and ‘targeting’ the northern sky of the southern hemisphere (which is not the polar region).

Again, thanks for your comments.

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I don't know much about the Pyramids,  but...if you are building something like a pyramid, with lots of different rooms, it would only make sense that you would have some tunnels here and there to access said rooms.  And it would also make sense that once these rooms were finished, one might have a desire to seal off the paths to keep the air and rodents, etc. out.  So you block off the tunnel to the room.  Then on the way out of the pyramid, you block off the path to the way in.  Seems more like just a construction security issue to me...  

When people start looking at things with some kind of bias in mind, they will always tend to find things confirming said bias...

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2 hours ago, joc said:

I don't know much about the Pyramids, 

I wish I could have cut you off right there. 

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25 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said:

I wish I could have cut you off right there. 

I’m sensing there’s a Gadzooks on the way for that one.

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3 hours ago, Scott Creighton said:

Hi Lee,

Thanks for taking the time to watch my video presentation, and also for your comments.

You are welcome Scott.  

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But again, even if the shafts had a dozen loop-the-loops, we can still determine what the builder’s intended inclination was meant to be since all we actually require are the start and end points of each shaft.

Myself from the Thuban thread:

The QC air shafts were closed off at the chamber ends as well as both terminating approximately 20ft from the outside of the pyramid. Both continue at some distance then make a significant bends upwards. Both shafts are blocked by a series of doors.

The northern KC air shaft makes several zig-zagging bends at various intervals along its 235ft and the southern KC makes two bends. Both exit the exterior of G1 though we have no way of knowing whether they exited the casing stones or not....

The QC has closed entrance and exits for both of its shafts, makes bends, and each shaft is blocked by at least one door if not two (or more)- hardly the stuff of "star shafts" either literally or symbolically. And are we to assume if the pharaoh were buried in the KC he sometimes vacationed in the QC to use those shafts instead to go to different stars? And despite the fact, if we accept mainstream chronology, Khafre would have been present during the construction of G1 if not intimately privy to all of its innovations; star shafts among them, he nor Menkaure incorporated these features into their own pyramids? Regardless, on what planet do we accept viewing a star, either to actually see or shoot a soul at, whether it is at a certain date or not; is to be achieved through a wall, around several bends, through doors, and then through 20+ft of the exterior of the building? Not happening. And the KC is no better as the northern shaft has no less than four bends zigzagging to and fro and the southern shaft has two with a varying shaft size and shape along its length.

It is these very "dozen loop-the-loops", and the multiple blocking doors, closed ends, and not even exiting the structure, that tells us regardless of these angles there was no intention of them to point at anything. And do both ends have the same "inclination"? The angle of the end points of the QC shafts are not directly known as they do not exit the surface, and I'd like to see the primary source of who and when measured the angle of the ends of the KC shafts.

Another problem if not already obvious is with all these bends and zig-zags, even if the beginning and end do share the same angle, the beginning of the shaft does not even remotely line up with end of the shaft and would be off by several if not dozens of feet-both horizontally, vertically, and laterally. Meaning the beginning and ends would not be anywhere near "pointing" at the same spot in the sky let alone a single star.       

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1 hour ago, Thanos5150 said:

Lee: The QC air shafts were closed off at the chamber ends as well as both terminating approximately 20ft from the outside of the pyramid. Both continue at some distance then make a significant bends upwards. Both shafts are blocked by a series of doors.

The northern KC air shaft makes several zig-zagging bends at various intervals along its 235ft and the southern KC makes two bends. Both exit the exterior of G1 though we have no way of knowing whether they exited the casing stones or not....

The QC has closed entrance and exits for both of its shafts, makes bends, and each shaft is blocked by at least one door if not two (or more)- hardly the stuff of "star shafts" either literally or symbolically.

SC: I agree. This doesn’t make much sense in the conventional/mainstream view of the shafts as ‘soul shafts’ or ‘gateways to the stars’.  But that is not what I am saying or how I view the purpose of the shafts. Allow me to explain further by way of example.

As previously stated, the open KC shafts are, imo, simply a means of providing the soul of the deceased with an easy exit from the pyramid whereupon it will find itself in the correct quadrant of the sky i.e. that region of the sky where Sah/Orion can be found.  If I go on a bus to my favourite bookstore, the bus will go all around the houses during the journey. When I finally exit the bus, I see the bookstore ahead and make my way onwards to it, my final destination. Hills, bends, roundabouts or whatever don’t matter a jot – so long as I can exit the bus and see my final destination, the bookstore.

However, one day the bookstore moves to the opposite end of town. Fortunately, I was given prior notice of when this relocation would occur, so I knew I now needed to take a different bus to my destination, the new location of my bookstore. It’s a slightly different journey but there are some hills and bends and so on that are navigated on the journey, until I exit the bus and find myself at the correct new location of my bookstore.

The GP’s open shafts, imo, don’t need to ‘point’ or ‘target’ the specific star.  I think it’s safe to assume that the soul would know which star it wishes to ascend to. It just needs to have an exit (an open shaft) from the pyramid that places it in the correct quadrant of the sky where, upon exit from the shaft, it can observe its final destination i.e. Sah/Orion in the southern sky of the northern hemisphere (pre-inversion) and in the northern sky of the southern hemisphere (i.e. the new post-inversion location of Sah/Osiris).

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Lee: And are we to assume if the pharaoh were buried in the KC he sometimes vacationed in the QC to use those shafts instead to go to different stars?

SC: Again, I agree - from a mainstream point of view, this makes little sense (a point which is made in my video). In my view, the QC shafts were sealed at both ends precisely because they were not to be used by the soul of the deceased as an exit from the pyramid. Their purpose, imo, may simply be to ‘notify’ or 'alert' the soul of the deceased as to when the inversion event will occur (i.e. when Al Nitak in Sah/Orion reaches ~39° above the local Giza horizon) and to, thereafter, use the opposite KC open shaft to find the new sky location of Sah/Orion i.e. now in the northern quadrant of the southern hemisphere.

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Lee: And despite the fact, if we accept mainstream chronology, Khafre would have been present during the construction of G1 if not intimately privy to all of its innovations; star shafts among them, he nor Menkaure incorporated these features into their own pyramids?  

SC: Agreed. No such features have been detected in these pyramids or any other as far as I know. There is, in my view, a very particular reason for this.  It seems to me that, as part of their Project Osiris recovery plans, only the Great Pyramid was built to contain mummified remains (i.e. the 27 ancestor kings and queens of Khufu), thus only the Great Pyramid required a means for the soul of the deceased to easily exit the monument and make its way onwards to Sah/Orion. Hence why the ‘soul shafts’ are confined only to this particular pyramid. (For the one or maybe two of you out there that might be interested in this ‘Project Osiris’, you can read more on my thinking of this here).

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Lee: Regardless, on what planet do we accept viewing a star, either to actually see or shoot a soul at, whether it is at a certain date or not; is to be achieved through a wall, around several bends, through doors, and then through 20+ft of the exterior of the building? Not happening.

SC: Agreed.

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Lee: It is these very "dozen loop-the-loops", and the multiple blocking doors, closed ends, and not even exiting the structure, that tells us regardless of these angles there was no intention of them to point at anything.

SC: To a particular star, no.  Just to that quadrant of the sky where the deceased’s soul would be able to find Sah/Osiris (it likely knew which star it wanted to ascend to) and make its way there, where, seemingly, it would then be ferried across the heavens in the stellar barque of Osiris to the Imperishable stars in the opposite side of the sky (as presented in the video).

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Lee: And do both ends have the same "inclination"? The angle of the end points of the QC shafts are not directly known as they do not exit the surface, and I'd like to see the primary source of who and when measured the angle of the ends of the KC shafts.

SC: Not sure.  I suspect though, if we measured from the first millimetre of where each QC shaft began its incline to the last millimetre at the top of the shaft, and then drew a line between these two points, we would probably find that they created a straight line that was very close to an inclination of 39°. If Gantenbrink’s drawings are still available somewhere, perhaps this could be measured?

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Lee: Meaning the beginning and ends would not be anywhere near "pointing" at the same spot in the sky let alone a single star.

SC: So long as the shaft exits take the soul of the deceased to the right quadrant of the sky i.e. where Sah/Orion will be found, that’s all that mattered – imo.

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1 hour ago, Thanos5150 said:

You are welcome Scott.  

Myself from the Thuban thread:

The QC air shafts were closed off at the chamber ends as well as both terminating approximately 20ft from the outside of the pyramid. Both continue at some distance then make a significant bends upwards. Both shafts are blocked by a series of doors.

The northern KC air shaft makes several zig-zagging bends at various intervals along its 235ft and the southern KC makes two bends. Both exit the exterior of G1 though we have no way of knowing whether they exited the casing stones or not....

The QC has closed entrance and exits for both of its shafts, makes bends, and each shaft is blocked by at least one door if not two (or more)- hardly the stuff of "star shafts" either literally or symbolically. And are we to assume if the pharaoh were buried in the KC he sometimes vacationed in the QC to use those shafts instead to go to different stars? And despite the fact, if we accept mainstream chronology, Khafre would have been present during the construction of G1 if not intimately privy to all of its innovations; star shafts among them, he nor Menkaure incorporated these features into their own pyramids? Regardless, on what planet do we accept viewing a star, either to actually see or shoot a soul at, whether it is at a certain date or not; is to be achieved through a wall, around several bends, through doors, and then through 20+ft of the exterior of the building? Not happening. And the KC is no better as the northern shaft has no less than four bends zigzagging to and fro and the southern shaft has two with a varying shaft size and shape along its length.

It is these very "dozen loop-the-loops", and the multiple blocking doors, closed ends, and not even exiting the structure, that tells us regardless of these angles there was no intention of them to point at anything. And do both ends have the same "inclination"? The angle of the end points of the QC shafts are not directly known as they do not exit the surface, and I'd like to see the primary source of who and when measured the angle of the ends of the KC shafts.

Another problem if not already obvious is with all these bends and zig-zags, even if the beginning and end do share the same angle, the beginning of the shaft does not even remotely line up with end of the shaft and would be off by several if not dozens of feet-both horizontally, vertically, and laterally. Meaning the beginning and ends would not be anywhere near "pointing" at the same spot in the sky let alone a single star.       

Given what is currently known of the KC/QC shafts, function is the only explanation that makes any sense. Air conditioning doesn’t  cut it, and the fact that they are one offs unique to G1 discounts any religious explanations.
The idea that they were constructed to be targeted at certain stars was certainly captivating when first coming across the theories of Badawy, and Trimble, then later Bauval and Gilbert in the early 90s. Having an astronomical explanation seemed more logical at the time than fresh air and magic; at the same time it appeared to be a sound way to date the pyramid’s construction. But in the present these theories don’t hold up either.

Your Thuban thread is excellent for several reasons. Chiefly the central premise which posits that since the descending passages in the pyramids are part of the core structures, if they have astronomical alignments then they are the key to discovering when construction on them began. As you clearly demonstrated, Richard Proctor’s calculations for Thuban appearing over G1’s descending passage are eerily close to the 1984 RCD results. The descending passage is the connection to the night sky that can date G1, not its “star shafts”. 
 

 


 

 

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