The Great Pyramid's Greatest Secret (Hidden in Plain Sight)

[Kenemet]

3 hours ago, Scott Creighton said:

SC: I agree. This doesn’t make much sense in the conventional/mainstream view of the shafts as ‘soul shafts’ or ‘gateways to the stars’.  But that is not what I am saying or how I view the purpose of the shafts. Allow me to explain further by way of example.

As previously stated, the open KC shafts are, imo, simply a means of providing the soul of the deceased with an easy exit from the pyramid whereupon it will find itself in the correct quadrant of the sky i.e. that region of the sky where Sah/Orion can be found.  If I go on a bus to my favourite bookstore, the bus will go all around the houses during the journey. When I finally exit the bus, I see the bookstore ahead and make my way onwards to it, my final destination. Hills, bends, roundabouts or whatever don’t matter a jot – so long as I can exit the bus and see my final destination, the bookstore.

However, one day the bookstore moves to the opposite end of town. Fortunately, I was given prior notice of when this relocation would occur, so I knew I now needed to take a different bus to my destination, the new location of my bookstore. It’s a slightly different journey but there are some hills and bends and so on that are navigated on the journey, until I exit the bus and find myself at the correct new location of my bookstore.

The GP’s open shafts, imo, don’t need to ‘point’ or ‘target’ the specific star.  I think it’s safe to assume that the soul would know which star it wishes to ascend to. It just needs to have an exit (an open shaft) from the pyramid that places it in the correct quadrant of the sky where, upon exit from the shaft, it can observe its final destination i.e. Sah/Orion in the southern sky of the northern hemisphere (pre-inversion) and in the northern sky of the southern hemisphere (i.e. the new post-inversion location of Sah/Osiris).

If they wanted to do that, all they would have to do is position a ka statue where it could view that part of the sky and then open the eyes and mouth of the statue.  These statues were very common and often placed in protected niches where they could watch what was happening in the area of the tomb and receive offerings from priests and others.

There's a very nice ka statue for Khafre, for example.

And there was no "inversion" of the planet.

[Scott Creighton]

16 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

If they wanted to do that, all they would have to do is position a ka statue where it could view that part of the sky and then open the eyes and mouth of the statue.  These statues were very common and often placed in protected niches where they could watch what was happening in the area of the tomb and receive offerings from priests and others.

There's a very nice ka statue for Khafre, for example.

SC: I believe there once were Ka statues within the Great Pyramid - one for each of the 27 ancestor kings and queens of Khufu I believe will be found within the Big Void.  You can read my view on this here.

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And there was no "inversion" of the planet.

SC: Many, many ancient sources, not just from Egypt but from all over the world, disagree with you.

SC 

[Hanslune]

25 minutes ago, Scott Creighton said:

SC: I believe there once were Ka statues within the Great Pyramid - one for each of the 27 ancestor kings and queens of Khufu I believe will be found within the Big Void.  You can read my view on this here.

SC: Many, many ancient sources, not just from Egypt but from all over the world, disagree with you.

SC 

Reality isn’t a popularity contest - that people unversed in science might 'believe' something unscientific isn't an indication it's true. There is no evidence or any physical method that our planet mass could have flipped over or the plates gone skipping around the crust.

[Scott Creighton]

28 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Reality isn’t a popularity contest - that people unversed in science might 'believe' something unscientific isn't an indication it's true.

SC: No one but you has suggested it to be a "popularity contest".  Clearly it wasn't. What it was is something many ancient sources witnessed with their own eyes. Point is - when you have many witnesses all testifying to have witnessed the same thing, I tend not to simply dismiss it.

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There is no evidence or any physical method that our planet mass could have flipped over or the plates gone skipping around the crust.

SC: That view may have held sway in the 20th century but it's outdated. There are now many scientific papers that have been published over the past 10 years or so that demonstrate (from a maths/physics analysis) that the Earth can indeed rapidly invert itself and that it can do so without requiring the catastrophic effect of a direct impact with another mass object, thereby vapourising all life on the planet. Indeed, the process involved - a very specific form of planetary precession - not only results in the Earth inverting north and south, but it also causes the sun to swap horizons (rising in the west and setting in the east).  And here's the kicker - it all happens without ever violating the law of the conservation of angular momentum. Yes, the sunrise changes horizon with the Earth continuing to rotate in the same direction.

As the video says - science only believes things to be impossible only until someone shows and proves that it is possible.

SC  

[Hanslune]

12 minutes ago, Scott Creighton said:

SC: No one but you has suggested it to be a "popularity contest".  Clearly it wasn't. What it was is something many ancient sources witnessed with their own eyes. Point is - when you have many witnesses all testifying to have witnessed the same thing, I tend not to simply dismiss it.

SC: That view may have held sway in the 20th century but it's outdated. There are now many scientific papers that have been published over the past 10 years or so that demonstrate (from a maths/physics analysis) that the Earth can indeed rapidly invert itself and that it can do so without requiring the catastrophic effect of a direct impact with another mass object, thereby vapourising all life on the planet. Indeed, the process involved - a very specific form of planetary precession - not only results in the Earth inverting north and south, but it also causes the sun to swap horizons (rising in the west and setting in the east).  And here's the kicker - it all happens without ever violating the law of the conservation of angular momentum. Yes, the sunrise changes horizon with the Earth continuing to rotate in the same direction.

As the video says - science only believes things to be impossible only until someone shows and proves that it is possible.

SC  

Okay please link to these witnesses? These scientific papers - care to link to one? Now pole reversing does happen. However you seem to think the planet can turn upside down? Why do you discount the stabilizing effect of the Moon?

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[docyabut2]

 I still believe  Khufu `s  pyramid was Khufu `s in his inters organs 

The bodies of the pharaohs and their queens might still be buried somewhere in the pyramids

https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/great-pyramid-khufu-giza

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 7/24/2023 at 6:25 AM, The Puzzler said:

Seriously, if I see one more Great Pyramid topic, I’m gonna puke…they’re worse than Atlantis topics. 

Oh, come on, Puzzler. At least we know the Great Pyramid is real 

[Hanslune]

4 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Oh, come on, Puzzler. At least we know the Great Pyramid is real 

Well lets come up with a substitute then.....hmmmm. How about what fringe ideas originated with Helena Blavatsky? Did Harte REALLY date Cleopatra's younger sister? (I suspect it was bravado). Who was the first person to note that Churchward and Plongeon didn't see the joke about 'founding the continent of Mu' when it was really just a mistake when one of them misspelled Woo

[The Puzzler]

3 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Well lets come up with a substitute then.....hmmmm. How about what fringe ideas originated with Helena Blavatsky? Did Harte REALLY date Cleopatra's younger sister? (I suspect it was bravado). Who was the first person to note that Churchward and Plongeon didn't see the joke about 'founding the continent of Mu' when it was really just a mistake when one of them misspelled Woo

I’ll tell you what…I believe Herodotus is correct in saying  the pyramids were built in the early Iron Age.

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[The Puzzler]

He clearly tells us how it was built, by whom it was built, how they were paid and why it was built.

I find it hard to NOT believe his version as there is iron in it..and I’m yet to see any image of the pyramid pre 1000BC…if Egypt is so old….why isn’t he saying the same here? Suddenly the priests, who he got his info from,  telling him this are like…we can show you wooden effigies of our Kings back to 11,000 years ago….we are so old a culture but hey, we only built the pyramids 500 years before your time….that’s what he has stated from information gathered by those who knew and I believe it.

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[Trelane]

"Inverted"    I can't believe that hasn't gained more attention here.

Ok maverick.

[Hanslune]

Herodotus: Book two: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2707/2707-h/2707-h.htm#link22H_4_0001

 

[Thanos5150]

22 hours ago, Scott Creighton said:

SC: I agree. This doesn’t make much sense in the conventional/mainstream view of the shafts as ‘soul shafts’ or ‘gateways to the stars’.  But that is not what I am saying or how I view the purpose of the shafts. Allow me to explain further by way of example.

As previously stated, the open KC shafts are, imo, simply a means of providing the soul of the deceased with an easy exit from the pyramid whereupon it will find itself in the correct quadrant of the sky i.e. that region of the sky where Sah/Orion can be found. 

You seem to be contradicting yourself. The idea they are "soul shafts" is still bogus all the same. 

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If I go on a bus to my favourite bookstore, the bus will go all around the houses during the journey. When I finally exit the bus, I see the bookstore ahead and make my way onwards to it, my final destination. Hills, bends, roundabouts or whatever don’t matter a jot – so long as I can exit the bus and see my final destination, the bookstore.

 

That is quite a stretch Scott. Let's say for a moment the KC shafts were meant as soul shafts. Very important to the king. Yet from one end to the other the builders otherwise could care less about the King's journey and put all these bends, zig zags, and doors in his way for no apparent reason? To play the game where we can just make up whatever about these shafts, mainstream and alt/fringe alike, all of these impediments would have to have meaning and be part of the journey i.e. we assume the Duat which is pretty lame as well and doesn't explain the need for two (four really) shafts anyways.     

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However, one day the bookstore moves to the opposite end of town. Fortunately, I was given prior notice of when this relocation would occur, so I knew I now needed to take a different bus to my destination, the new location of my bookstore. It’s a slightly different journey but there are some hills and bends and so on that are navigated on the journey, until I exit the bus and find myself at the correct new location of my bookstore.

Not really following this. I just buy books online now anyways.  

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The GP’s open shafts, imo, don’t need to ‘point’ or ‘target’ the specific star.

That's good news because they don't. 

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I think it’s safe to assume that the soul would know which star it wishes to ascend to. It just needs to have an exit (an open shaft) from the pyramid that places it in the correct quadrant of the sky where, upon exit from the shaft, it can observe its final destination i.e. Sah/Orion in the southern sky of the northern hemisphere (pre-inversion) and in the northern sky of the southern hemisphere (i.e. the new post-inversion location of Sah/Osiris).

About this inversion business, in your video you say Surid had a dream the earth had overturned and the stars had veered off their normal course. His priests measured these stars which foretold a great Flood would come which is what prompted Surid to build G1. Meaning G1 was built post inversion, i.e. as it is today which seems to contradict your theory, no? Which makes sense regardless because G1 is aligned almost perfectly to true north (not magnetic north) and all the OK pyramid align towards true north as do their descending passages align to the north celestial pole. If this was all done oriented to the south and the earth flipped how is this possible? 

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SC: Not sure.  I suspect though, if we measured from the first millimetre of where each QC shaft began its incline to the last millimetre at the top of the shaft, and then drew a line between these two points, we would probably find that they created a straight line that was very close to an inclination of 39°. If Gantenbrink’s drawings are still available somewhere, perhaps this could be measured?

 

I don't see how any of them could be even close to a straight line. You said previously:

But again, even if the shafts had a dozen loop-the-loops, we can still determine what the builder’s intended inclination was meant to be since all we actually require are the start and end points of each shaft.

Which I replied:

The angle of the end points of the QC shafts are not directly known as they do not exit the surface, and I'd like to see the primary source of who and when measured the angle of the ends of the KC shafts.

I think its bunk and no one has ever known and just made assumptions to make whatever theory they wanted work.  

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SC: So long as the shaft exits take the soul of the deceased to the right quadrant of the sky i.e. where Sah/Orion will be found, that’s all that mattered – imo.

Bah. It is absolute nonsense to take no responsibility for all that is in the middle just as long as the first few mm and last few mm may or may not have the same angle assuming they even remotely line up from one end to the other in the first place which apparently no one really knows. Doesn't make it right, but its ok though- you are not alone.  

[Windowpane]

On 7/22/2023 at 4:23 PM, Scott Creighton said:

The four narrow shafts of the Great Pyramid have long been a source of intrigue and speculation, even among mainstream commentators.  No one (mainstream or alternative) truly knows for certain their true function and every current theory as to what this might be is incomplete and often internally inconsistent.

 

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The problem with any discussion about the pyramid shafts is that no one theory from any quarter presents compelling and decisive evidence.  It's therefore doubtful if the arbitrary construct “mainstream” versus “alternative” is useful and applicable here.

[The Puzzler]

21 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Herodotus: Book two: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2707/2707-h/2707-h.htm#link22H_4_0001

 

Regardless of what’s being debated in this thread, Herodotus does give  a wonderful description and depiction of the building processes from his learned life.

Thanks for the link, I was being slack.

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[Hanslune]

4 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

Regardless of what’s being debated in this thread, Herodotus does give  a wonderful description and depiction of the building processes from his learned life.

Thanks for the link, I was being slack.

Most people have never read the original and have only seen quotes

[Thanos5150]

On 7/25/2023 at 10:33 PM, Hanslune said:

Did Harte REALLY date Cleopatra's younger sister? (I suspect it was bravado). 

The one with a lazy eye, buck teeth, and a hair lip? Sounds about right. 

[The Puzzler]

On 7/26/2023 at 7:49 AM, Scott Creighton said:

SC: I believe there once were Ka statues within the Great Pyramid - one for each of the 27 ancestor kings and queens of Khufu I believe will be found within the Big Void.  You can read my view on this here.

SC: Many, many ancient sources, not just from Egypt but from all over the world, disagree with you.

SC 

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You know, I’m just gonna shut up on this right now

[Thanos5150]

On 7/26/2023 at 2:54 AM, The Puzzler said:

He clearly tells us how it was built, by whom it was built, how they were paid and why it was built.

I find it hard to NOT believe his version as there is iron in it..and I’m yet to see any image of the pyramid pre 1000BC…if Egypt is so old….why isn’t he saying the same here? Suddenly the priests, who he got his info from,  telling him this are like…we can show you wooden effigies of our Kings back to 11,000 years ago….we are so old a culture but hey, we only built the pyramids 500 years before your time….that’s what he has stated from information gathered by those who knew and I believe it.

Heavens to Murgatroyd. Where to even begin. 

[The Puzzler]

21 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said:

Heavens to Murgatroyd. Where to even begin. 

I know….I think I have a topic on it somewhere…don’t waste your time in this one, I’ve heard it all before. 

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[Thanos5150]

2 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

I know….I think I have a topic on it somewhere…don’t waste your time in this one, I’ve heard it all before. 

Then why on earth would you keep saying these things...? This isn't you is it: HERE.

[The Puzzler]

7 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said:

Then why on earth would you keep saying these things...? This isn't you is it: HERE.

No, I don’t think so.

 

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[The Puzzler]

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[The Puzzler]

1730-1575 BC - The earliest accounts of Giza record that it was a site of pilgrimage for 'Sabian' star worshippers from Harran.
 

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/ghizahistoricaccounts.htm

Interesting site.

Edited July 27 by The Puzzler

[Thanos5150]

On 7/25/2023 at 10:38 AM, Antigonos said:

Given what is currently known of the KC/QC shafts, function is the only explanation that makes any sense. Air conditioning doesn’t  cut it, and the fact that they are one offs unique to G1 discounts any religious explanations.
The idea that they were constructed to be targeted at certain stars was certainly captivating when first coming across the theories of Badawy, and Trimble, then later Bauval and Gilbert in the early 90s. Having an astronomical explanation seemed more logical at the time than fresh air and magic; at the same time it appeared to be a sound way to date the pyramid’s construction. But in the present these theories don’t hold up either.

I do not know what they are for and neither does anyone else at this point which for those compelled to try and give an explanation anyways its surprising how poor they have been on all levels. 

Supposedly they are going to make another shaft run this year with more robots to get behind the 2nd door, so should be awesome. 

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Your Thuban thread is excellent for several reasons. Chiefly the central premise which posits that since the descending passages in the pyramids are part of the core structures, if they have astronomical alignments then they are the key to discovering when construction on them began. As you clearly demonstrated, Richard Proctor’s calculations for Thuban appearing over G1’s descending passage are eerily close to the 1984 RCD results. The descending passage is the connection to the night sky that can date G1, not its “star shafts”. 

The lack of participation was surprising. Egyptologists agree the DP's of the 4D pyramids were "polar passages" meant to point at the celestial pole which given Thuban was the pole star it stands to reason it would be its specific focus. If so then when each DP would align to Thuban would therefore date when the DP (and at the very least it core) was made. Seems pretty logical to me. 

This is interesting: 

"I would update this to note that current observations place the date for Thuban's closest position to the North Celestial Pole at 2787BC.  Right near the middle of the RCD ranges of the great pyramids."

 

 

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