The Great Pyramid's Greatest Secret (Hidden in Plain Sight)

[Wepwawet]

5 minutes ago, Scott Creighton said:

3) The 'Book of the Dead' tells of a flood (of Thoth) that would drown the entire country.  This talks about a flood coming within years and months - not millions and millions of years. As such, it cannot be refering to a metephysical existence (of near-eternal life) but one that will impact soon upon a corporeal existence.

 

 

What do you mean "of Thoth". He is just the interlocutor between Atum and the ba of the deceased, why do you not know this.

Produce the texts that state this flood is "coming within years and months". I'll remind you again that the only time frame given in any version of this myth is of million on millions of years, nothing else, so come on, show your evidence for an imminent flood.

[Scott Creighton]

On 10/2/2023 at 8:56 AM, Scott Creighton said:

In my previous example, I showed how it is possible to mark specific times of the day along a line between 2 ‘time markers’ (i.e. the 2 sets of clocks). The 2 ‘time markers’ (clocks) at each end of the ‘timeline’ permit us to know the duration of time along the timeline, in the previous example 12 hours in one direction and 12 hours in the opposite direction to give our 24 hour day.

As time markers it makes more sense to use key moments in time i.e. pivot points such as 12 noon or 12 midnight when we tip between night/day and day/night.

But what if we want to mark a specific day of the year rather than an hour of the day – how might this be done? This next example extends this concept by using the Earth’s 2 solstices.

During the summer solstice the sun will rise ~23.5° to the north of due east (figure 1).

Figure 1.

This is the furthest extent the sun will reach on this horizon (due to the Earth’s angle of obliquity of ~23.5°). 

At this point it will head back towards the equinoctial point and further onwards until it reaches its winter solstice point ~23.5° south of due east (figure 2)  whereupon the sun will be seen to reverse direction along the eastern horizon and head back to the (Spring) equinoctial point and onwards again to the summer solstice. 

Figure 2.

A never-enduing pendulum cycle of 6 months of the sun travelling this horizon north-to-south and then another 6 months travelling south-to-north.

And just like the first example of marking a specific time of day on a timeline between 2 clocks, we can use the Earth’s 2 solstice points in a similar way.  So, anyone have any idea of the approximate date(s) of the year the 2 obelisks in the image below (figure 3) are aligned to?

Figure 3.

SC

 

So, here's the answer to my earlier question (in the post above):

 

More to follow.

SC

Edited October 3, 2023 by Scott Creighton

[cladking]

2 hours ago, Antigonos said:

Yet it is these very translations that are the only source for your theories.   Since you yourself cannot translate them, what you’re saying effectively is that these translations you make use of can really say or mean anything which effectively demolishes your own arguments. 

This has nothing to do with my interpretation and everything to do with the nature of translating and interpreting incantation in terms of a language and religion that wouldn't exist for 1000  years.  I'm amazed I have to even say this!  They are trying to understand a religion, culture, science, and magic based on a book of incantation!!!  Why isn't it obvious that anyone can read anything they want into the Pyramid Texts!!!!? This is why even the translations are dramatically different and there are six different formats for the interpretation and this number is growing! 

Why don't people even notice that when Allen translates this into English, none of it makes sense?    The very reason to translate anything at all is for it to make sense and much of Allen's translations are in none standard English and little of it makes any sense.  In order to believe you understand Allen's translations it is first necessary to study Egyptological impressions of the gods!!!  Scott Creighton's interpretations are closer to the literal meanings than is Allen!!  Sure, I could tell you exactly what all of these "representations" you call symbols are and how they originated but that isn't 5the topic of this thread is it?  You can say what you beli4eve but if I say what I believe I'm off topic which is what you want.  

Egyptology wants to control the narrative by claiming they already have every answer but all they really have is a bunch of unsupported assumptions about ignorance, superstition, tombs, and brutish labor.  They have nonsense they peddle as simple fact because that is what the greats of the past believed.  It's what Champollion, Breasted, Petrie, and every single et al in good standing believed. They believe that translating a book of incantation into later thinking and what Egyptologists believe is good methodology.  

 

It is not.  

Edited October 3, 2023 by cladking

[cladking]

2 hours ago, Antigonos said:

Yet it is these very translations that are the only source for your theories.

This is not true.

Even though the Pyramid Texts have never been translated, and if I am correct, it is impossible to translate them they are not the sole source of my theory.  I have studied the glyphs themselves and all the physical evidence related to the glyphs and the Pyramid Texts.  

Meanwhile Egyptology studies the pyramids with their backs to them and refuse to do systematic testing or to apply modern knowledge and instrumentation to their understanding.  It is not I with his head buried in the sand looking for gold and dead kings.  

[Wepwawet]

Perusing this thread is now like taking a stroll through the corridors of Bedlam and listening to the cries of the tormented souls in their padded cells.

[Spiros]

2 hours ago, Scott Creighton said:

 

So, here's the answer to my earlier question (in the post above):

 

More to follow.

SC

I was going to say Pentacost. My other thought was 4th of July.

[cladking]

It must be nice to live in a nice orderly world where everything can be determined by some expert merely looking at it.  Nobody seems to ever notice even experts don't see anything until someone points at it or they devise an experiment that shows it.  

My world is far more chaotic and I see many things that don't fit narratives or dogma.  You don't need to fear the fringe, you should instead be afraid of expert opinion.  The fringe never hurt anybody and has always been at the forefront of progress and change.  Expert opinion leads to atrophy, war, and destruction because it solidifies the status quo.  

[Wepwawet]

Such howls and pitiful cries of torment from those whose minds are lost in the abyss. May the Great God Thoth bring light and understanding to their troubled minds, may the Great God Sekhmet protect them from that which torments them, may they pass through the Hall of Judgement and let their healed souls live for millions on millions of years.

[Scott Creighton]

1 hour ago, Spiros said:

I was going to say Pentacost. My other thought was 4th of July.

Hey Spiros - at 13.8 days, I suppose that could just tip it back to 4th July instead of 5th so, good work!

SC

[Trelane]

12 minutes ago, Scott Creighton said:

Hey Spiros - at 13.8 days, I suppose that could just tip it back to 4th July instead of 5th so, good work!

SC

Whoa!!! Hold on there cowboy!

You still have to provide the scientific papers you stated would show that the earth flipped or inverted as you claimed. Don't go off in some other rubbish train of thought just yet.

[cladking]

43 minutes ago, Wepwawet said:

Such howls and pitiful cries of torment from those whose minds are lost in the abyss.

The only minds "lost" are those that can never be changed.   The rest of your post would elicit howls of laughter from those who "prayed" to thot and sekhmet.  

[Hanslune]

7 hours ago, cladking said:

Every single translator for 200 years using Champollion's means has translated everything completely differently.  Many of the translations don't even really have a meaning in English at all.  Obviously some latitude must be given here.

Just a note for lurkers - Cladking cannot read hieroglyphics but he likes to pretend he understands ancient Egyptian when he reads translations in ENGLISH.Seventeen years ago when he showed up interested in Egyptology it was suggested he take the time to learn the language before making statements about 'meaning'. Instead he just reads English translationd of ancient Egyptian and makes up new meanings for the words.....

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Hanslune

[Hanslune]

6 minutes ago, cladking said:

The only minds "lost" are those that can never be changed.   The rest of your post would elicit howls of laughter from those who "prayed" to thot and sekhmet.  

They'd beat you to death for suggesting they didn't believe their religion and the gods didn't exist.

[Wepwawet]

12 minutes ago, cladking said:

The only minds "lost" are those that can never be changed.   The rest of your post would elicit howls of laughter from those who "prayed" to thot and sekhmet.  

Now have a cup of tea and sit back on the couch while I ask some questions. You seem to have a fixation with, what do you call it, "The Book of the Dead", and this seems rather a macabre fixation in itself. Tell me, do you often think of the dead, do you, as a patient of Jung told him, see the dead, hear then calling to you from the grave? Or perhaps this "Book of the Dead" is a metaphor, perhaps for some event in your past life, so tell me, and have another sip of tea first, did this "Book of the Dead" ever visit you in your room and act inappropriately, and so is the cause of your present troubles. Oh, you seem to have dropped your tea, and gone rather red in the face, let me give you an injection, nurse, if you don't mind, and quickly now.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Wepwawet
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[Antigonos]

23 minutes ago, cladking said:

The only minds "lost" are those that can never be changed.   

Which perfectly describes you and your posting history here  and everywhere else for the past decade and a half.

Hoisted on your own petard yet again.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Antigonos

[Windowpane]

 

SC ( #1275 ):

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3) The 'Book of the Dead' tells of a flood (of Thoth) that would drown the entire country.  This talks about a flood coming within years and months - not millions and millions of years.

Regrettably, I can't see any mention of flood to be sent by Thoth here - "The Book of the Dead."  

Still, there are two brief references to "flood" here:

     "these waters of the sky-flood"

and:

     "They can have no power over me; I shall not descend into their cauldrons,
because I know him, I know the name of that one who presses, among them in the house of Osiris,
who shoots with his hand without being seen, who circles the land with flame in his mouth,
who has reported the Nile Flood without being seen."

And there's one here that looks quite hopeful:

     ""May be opened [to me] the mighty flood by Osiris, and "may the abyss of water be opened [to me] by Tehuti-Hapi, "(k) the lord of the horizon, in my name of `Opener' . May there "be granted [to me] mastery over the water-courses as over the "members (5) of Set . I go forth into heaven . I am the Lion- "god Rd. I am the Bull . (6) [1] have eaten the Thigh, and I have "divided the carcase . I have gone round about among the islands "(o) - lakes) of Sekhet-(7)Aaru . Indefinite time, without beginning "and without end, hath been given to me ; I inherit eternity, and "everlastingness hath been bestowed upon me ." [Ch. LXII, pg. 110, PDF 327; Papyrus of Nebseni].  Disappointingly, however, the chapter appears to concern drinking-water in the underworld rather than floods; and, as previously stated, many people might want to treat Budge with some caution.

Another work on the BoD: but, sadly, only one very brief mention of "flood" in passing (although, to compensate, there is rather a fetching poster of Boris Karloff [pg. 169]).

At any rate, I'm afraid I'm unable to find the reference to Thoth's BoD flood.

Could you provide it, please, Scott?

[Spiros]

13 hours ago, Antigonos said:

Hello Spiros! How are you my friend. Your ideas are certainly original 

 

Hello Antigonos. The idea that the pyramids relate to planets is not my own. Clive Ross worked on this idea and uncovered the Mars orbital period, 3 Giza pyramid angle layout. This idea is encompassed in my theory since one of the planets of my three planet to 3 pyramid correlation is Mars. My theory also encompasses Orion, which might seem to relate to Bauval's OCT, but in fact it is encoded in the Greek language, since the isopsephy value of the name Orion(ΩΡΙΩΝ) is 1760 which is the perimeter of Khufu's pyramid expressed in royal cubits. Even my theory that relates it to mountains can't be modern since the isopsephy value of the Greek word for mountain - oros(ΟΡΟΣ) is 440 which is the width of the Khufu pyramid base in royal cubits. Therefore, "Orion's" mathematical value is four times that of "mountain". The Greek civil engineer Athanasios Aggelopoulos ***** a number of books in Greek, two of which relate to isopsephy relations and the Great Pyramid. The titles of these translated into English are "Omphalos - The Last Revelation" and "Cheops - The Great Architect". 

[Hanslune]

11 hours ago, cladking said:

This is not true.

 I have studied the glyphs themselves and all the physical evidence related to the glyphs and the Pyramid Texts. 

Could we, after seventeen years of you declaring this over and over SEE this fabulous study? Oh wait what you are really saying is that you made up a lot of a lot of weird nutty stuff and have absolutely no supporting evidence other than your belief in your own wonderfulness?

[Hanslune]

15 hours ago, cladking said:

There is no fixed way to translate anything at all and this applies a billion times over to a book of incantation.  

YET, you say you know what it says - you've been contradicting yourself on this subject for almost two decades - can't you reach a decision?  IF you say nothing can be translated but then immediately say you know what it means and what the writers meant - doesn't that make you sound a tad, er 'eccentric'?

[Hanslune]

7 hours ago, Antigonos said:

Which perfectly describes you and your posting history here  and everywhere else for the past decade and a half.

Hoisted on your own petard yet again.

Howdy Antigonos: This 'guide' might help you to understand the 'logic'

 

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1st Law: I never lie. I just don't tell the truth and truth and lie are spelled differently.

2nd Law: In my opinion my opinions are fact.

3rd Law: I make up stuff that transforms into scientific fact 81.3 nano seconds after I state it.

4th Law: Personal belief is more important than mere evidence, my visceral gut feeling trumps physical evidence.

5th Law: I have magical powers so if I say something doesn’t exist it ceases to exist and is wiped from this dimension.

6th Law: Until you can prove otherwise this (whatever is being referenced) is the only theory that (I – XXXXXX) have predicted therefore this is most likely.

7th Law: If I  (XXXXXX) said something in the past that was wrong or contradicts something I am saying now then, I obviously did not say it.

 

[cladking]

16 hours ago, Wepwawet said:

 Or perhaps this "Book of the Dead" is a metaphor, perhaps for some event in your past life, so tell me, and have another sip of tea first, did this "Book of the Dead" ever visit you in your room and act inappropriately, and so is the cause of your present troubles. 

Egyptology is married to "the book of the dead"  and I would never allow myself to come between them.  

Actually even though the greatest Egyptologist of all time, E A Wallis Budge, translated this from a language just like ours and did masterful job I have barely even glanced over it.  I went out and bought the book years ago to have a complete library of everything relevant written by Egyptologists, my interest in it is highly limited because I don't care about a religion or language that arose 1300 years after the shafts of the Great Pyramid were set in place. If the book is trying to seduce me or take advantage of me  it has failed utterly.  I wasn't even aware "the book of the dead" was unfaithful to Egyptology.  

If I ever study later Egypt my source material will change but then it seems improbable I ever will.  

 

Budge didn't know what the shafts of the pyramid were for and neither did the authors of the "book of the dead".  But every single writer of the Pyramid Texts knew exactly what they were for. They knew how, when, why, and every means by which every great pyramid was built as well as by whom it was built.  If Egyptology used science instead of moldy old books to study pyramids they might know too.   

Edited October 4, 2023 by cladking

[Scott Creighton]

 

We have seen how using two clocks (set at the pivotal times of 12 midday & 12 midnight), allows us to register a time of the day on the timeline between the 2 clocks.

We have also seen how using the Earth's two solstices (the pivotal points between summer/winter & winter/summer), allows us to register specific day(s) within the year.

But what if we wish to register a specific YEAR (past or future) - how might this be done?  We have to turn to the stars and specifically, the two pivotal moments of the stars, thus:

Figure 1: The Precessional Min and Max Culminations of Orion's Belt.

With the two culminations of Orion's Belt (that are precessionaly separated from each other by around 12,960 years), it then becomes possible to mark a past or future year (figure 2):

Figure 2: The blue vertical bar is at the halfway point between the two culmination points of Orion's Belt (i.e. 12,960 years / 2 = 6480 years).  If we subtract 6480 years from 10,460 BCE (min culmination point), this gives the date of 3980 BCE.  If we add 6480 years to 2500 CE (max culmination point) this gives the date 8980 CE.

More to follow.

SC

[Scott Creighton]

And so - with Orion's Belt as the pivotal time markers, anyone want to have a crack at giving the dates for the following:

 

SC

Edited October 4, 2023 by Scott Creighton

[Antigonos]

1 hour ago, cladking said:

 

Actually even though the greatest Egyptologist of all time, E A Wallis Budge, translated this from a language just like ours and did masterful job I have barely even glanced over it.  

 

This is one of the most retarded things you have ever said.

How do you know Budge did a “masterful job” when you admit in the VERY SAME SENTENCE you’ve “barely glanced over it”???

[Antigonos]

1 hour ago, cladking said:

 I went out and bought the book years ago to have a complete library of everything relevant written by Egyptologists

 

I call absolute bull**** on this. If there’s one thing your posts have proven all these years is that when it comes to ancient Egypt you don’t know your a$$ from a hole in the wall.

And you’ve proven to be openly contemptuous of books on Egypt, always dismissing works of archaeology as either “dusty” or “moldy”  old tomes which readers will notice he does the exact same thing once again at the end of this very post.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Antigonos