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The Great Pyramid's Greatest Secret (Hidden in Plain Sight)


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Obelisks, what can they tell us about if the earth was flipped or not at any time during Egyptian history from their first use in the Old Kingdom, or rather, due to surviving inscriptions, from the Middle Kingdom. Something very important actually.

Temples were not universally aligned on one specific axis, East -West was good, but Karnak is more SE to NW. However, when obelisks were erected, overwhelming in pairs, there are some exceptions, including at Karnak, one of the pair was always more to the East than the other. No matter to which god the obelisk was primarily dedicated, those of Hatshepsut at Karnak to Amun-Ra, they also had secondary dedications, and it is these dedications that we gain our evidence from.

I'll directly quote from "The Obelisks of Egypt" by Labib Habachi, published in 1977, but still, to my knowledge, the only scholarly book on obelisks on the market.

"The positioning of obelisks followed a regular pattern, Ramesses II gave names to the pair of obelisks which he erected before the pylon of the Luxor Temple. On the pedestal of the eastern obelisk, which is still in situ, the king boasted that 'He made a large obelisk [called] Ramesses-beloved-of-Amun [the rising sun],' The western obelisk, which is now in Paris, was named 'Ramesses-beloved of-Atum [the setting sun]' On the eastern obelisk the king is called 'Beloved of Harakhti' [the rising sun], while on the western one he is styled 'Beloved of Atum.' The names of each obelisk and the epithets on them correspond to the rising of the sun in the east and it's setting in the west"

Those are just two examples, with the same type of inscriptions regarding which one represented the rising and which the setting sun on all obelisks where the inscriptions are still extant. These obelisks cover a large period of Egyptian history, yet all clearly show that they were positioned, if not in a strict East-West orientation, with one more to the East than the other, and all stating that they were the obelisk of the East, rising Sun, or West, setting Sun. There is no wiggle room here for "Earth flipping" over the time that they erected obelisks, the bulk of their history.

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34 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Hans

Worked for me

Yes - apologies - thanks to the people who pointed out the mistaken link, which I subsequently corrected (sorry) ...

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4 hours ago, Scott Creighton said:

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there’s a reason why Plato tells us that the heavens reverse their direction after long intervals; ...

Well, he did: but I think there'd be a bit of a problem with trying to argue that what he said was evidence for pole-flipping:

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There was a time when God directed the revolutions of the world, but at the completion of a certain cycle he let go; and the world, by a necessity of its nature, turned back, and went round the other way ...  [T]he truth is, that there are two cycles of the world, and in one of them it is governed by an immediate Providence, and receives life and immortality, and in the other is let go again, and has a reverse action during infinite ages. This new action is spontaneous, and is due to exquisite perfection of balance, to the vast size of the universe, and to the smallness of the pivot upon which it turns. All changes in the heaven affect the animal world, and this being the greatest of them, is most destructive to men and animals. At the beginning of the cycle before our own very few of them had survived; and on these a mighty change passed. For their life was reversed like the motion of the world, and first of all coming to a stand then quickly returned to youth and beauty. The white locks of the aged became black; the cheeks of the bearded man were restored to their youth and fineness; the young men grew softer and smaller, and, being reduced to the condition of children in mind as well as body, began to vanish away; and the bodies of those who had died by violence, in a few moments underwent a parallel change and disappeared ... [T]he old returned to youth, so the dead returned to life; the wheel of their existence having been reversed, they rose again from the earth: a few only were reserved by God for another destiny.  (Plato, Statesman)

So, in Plato's scheme of things, this reversal of the earth's revolution (and it is revolution, and not pole-flipping as such) would result in everyone getting younger, and even coming back to life (which a lot of people might be quite pleased about, of course! :)  )  

But I don't think I've seen it suggested anywhere that pole-reversal might bring about rejuvenation!  Think of all the beauty salons that would go out of business ...

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20 minutes ago, Windowpane said:

Well, he did: but I think there'd be a bit of a problem with trying to argue that what he said was evidence for pole-flipping:

So, in Plato's scheme of things, this reversal of the earth's revolution (and it is revolution, and not pole-flipping as such) would result in everyone getting younger, and even coming back to life (which a lot of people might be quite pleased about, of course! :)  )  

But I don't think I've seen it suggested anywhere that pole-reversal might bring about rejuvenation!  Think of all the beauty salons that would go out of business ...

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Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals. - Plato, Timaeus

To an earth-based observer, all they would apparently observe would be the sky 'revolving' (when, in fact, it's inverting - as it has to do so in spiral-fashion).  A "reversal of the earth's revolution" simply cannot occur unless the Earth itself inverts. This inversion, however, must occur by the Earth's surface precessing through its 'fixed' axis of rotation. If the Earth  simply topples over along with its axis of rotation, then there would be no reversal of the sunrise/sunset - it would be the same as it is now in both northern and southern hemispheres. This "reversal of the earth's revolution" can only occur with the Earth precessing (fairly rapdily) through its axis of rotation which remains 'fixed' and does not turn over with the body of the planet.

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13 minutes ago, Scott Creighton said:

To an earth-based observer, all they would apparently observe would be the sky 'revolving' (when, in fact, it's inverting - as it has to do so in spiral-fashion).  A "reversal of the earth's revolution" simply cannot occur unless the Earth itself inverts. This inversion, however, must occur by the Earth's surface precessing through its 'fixed' axis of rotation. If the Earth  simply topples over along with its axis of rotation, then there would be no reversal of the sunrise/sunset - it would be the same as it is now in both northern and southern hemispheres. This "reversal of the earth's revolution" can only occur with the Earth precessing (fairly rapdily) through its axis of rotation which remains 'fixed' and does not turn over with the body of the planet.

 

Oh, yes? 

And the rejuvenation ... ?

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48 minutes ago, Wepwawet said:

Obelisks, what can they tell us about if the earth was flipped or not at any time during Egyptian history from their first use in the Old Kingdom, or rather, due to surviving inscriptions, from the Middle Kingdom. Something very important actually.

Temples were not universally aligned on one specific axis, East -West was good, but Karnak is more SE to NW. However, when obelisks were erected, overwhelming in pairs, there are some exceptions, including at Karnak, one of the pair was always more to the East than the other. No matter to which god the obelisk was primarily dedicated, those of Hatshepsut at Karnak to Amun-Ra, they also had secondary dedications, and it is these dedications that we gain our evidence from.

I'll directly quote from "The Obelisks of Egypt" by Labib Habachi, published in 1977, but still, to my knowledge, the only scholarly book on obelisks on the market.

"The positioning of obelisks followed a regular pattern, Ramesses II gave names to the pair of obelisks which he erected before the pylon of the Luxor Temple. On the pedestal of the eastern obelisk, which is still in situ, the king boasted that 'He made a large obelisk [called] Ramesses-beloved-of-Amun [the rising sun],' The western obelisk, which is now in Paris, was named 'Ramesses-beloved of-Atum [the setting sun]' On the eastern obelisk the king is called 'Beloved of Harakhti' [the rising sun], while on the western one he is styled 'Beloved of Atum.' The names of each obelisk and the epithets on them correspond to the rising of the sun in the east and it's setting in the west"

Those are just two examples, with the same type of inscriptions regarding which one represented the rising and which the setting sun on all obelisks where the inscriptions are still extant. These obelisks cover a large period of Egyptian history, yet all clearly show that they were positioned, if not in a strict East-West orientation, with one more to the East than the other, and all stating that they were the obelisk of the East, rising Sun, or West, setting Sun. There is no wiggle room here for "Earth flipping" over the time that they erected obelisks, the bulk of their history.

And we know that, once upon a time, things were quite different when the sun god Harakhte is said to have risen in the west (though now, of course, rises in the east). That's what the AE priests tell us - they observed that the sunrise and sunset changed positions twice.

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Just now, Windowpane said:

Oh, yes? 

And the rejuvenation ... ?

Sorry - don't have all the answers. But a "declination of the bodies moving around the heavens" along with a "revolution" being observed is a pretty good description of an earth inversion event that many other cultures across the world tell us occurred in antiquity.

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2 minutes ago, Scott Creighton said:

And we know that, once upon a time, things were quite different when the sun god Harakhte is said to have risen in the west (though now, of course, rises in the east). That's what the AE priests tell us - they observed that the sunrise and sunset changed positions twice.

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Wepwawet and Kenemet have explained that this is a misinterpretation of AE cosmological and theological thought.

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11 minutes ago, Windowpane said:

Wepwawet and Kenemet have explained that this is a misinterpretation of AE cosmological and theological thought.

Well, they would say that, wouldn't they!  But this inscription accords with what AE priests told Herodotus, that the sunrise formerly occurred in the west. So why wouldn't there be an inscription that concurs with the words of the AE priests? 

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40 minutes ago, Scott Creighton said:

And we know that, once upon a time, things were quite different when the sun god Harakhte is said to have risen in the west (though now, of course, rises in the east). That's what the AE priests tell us - they observed that the sunrise and sunset changed positions twice.

SC

What, really. The obelisks still standing, or the remaining pedestals of twinned obelisks, are across all time periods orientated at least roughly on an East-West axis. If at any time the Earth had flipped, obelisks from that time would be orientated differently to reflect this, and the inscriptions for the East and West obelisks would be the reverse of what they actually are. This should be very clear.

Also, if the Earth had flipped, then while not all temples are orientated on a strict East-West axis, some today would be orientated the oposite way, but none are. The mortuary temple of Hatshepsut points at the rising sun of the winter solstice, if the earth had been flipped in her time it would be pointing not to a sunrise, but a sunset, but is not, and do you not think that there would be quite some evidence for this, if it happened, but there is zero.  All structures orientated on Heliopolis would find that while still pointed at Heliopolis would now be facing at one of the points of the compass on the Western arc, and the priests called "Westeners", but there is not the slightest shred of real evidence for this. basically you are basing this on one inscription for Horemheb, it's potential real meaning I have already ventured, and ignoring everything else, a vast corpus of work, that does not support your opinion. Do you really think it wise to ignore 99.99999% of the evidence in favour of 0.00001% of evidence, if it even is evidence, and I do not see that at all. Then there is the issue of you using the Horemheb inscription as "evidence" but ignore the real evidence contra your idea in the Book of Gates in his tomb.

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Windowpane said:

Oh, yes? 

And the rejuvenation ... ?

SC said:

Sorry - don't have all the answers.

 

If pole-flipping did take place in other locations, as you allege, and if the results included rejuvenation of the sort described by Plato in his scheme of prehistory, why is that not recorded in the various traditions to which you refer? 

Why don't we hear of rejuvenated Ancient Egyptians?  Rejuvenated Ancient Romans?  Rejuvenated Ancient Chinese?  Rejuvenated Ancient Semitic peoples?

 

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12 hours ago, Scott Creighton said:

Well, they would say that, wouldn't they!  But this inscription accords with what AE priests told Herodotus, that the sunrise formerly occurred in the west. So why wouldn't there be an inscription that concurs with the words of the AE priests? 

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You have never shown any sign of any decent knowledge of AE religion, and I strongly suspect that you had zero knowledge of the inscriptions on obelisks and their implications for your hairbrained scheme. Did you even know that the Temple of Hatshepsut was orientated to the rising sun of the winter solstice, I doubt it, because you cherry pick the dubious work of others instead of gaining knowledge and doing worthwhile research, hence your utterly risible and flippant dismissal of the obelisk evidence, you don't understand it, you don't like it, so you trash it out of hand. What is your knowledge of the Netherworld books and the information they contain that confounds your ideas, or rather, again, the ideas of others that you have hijacked for your own, zero I suspect. Like all the fringe, you lack any real greater depth knowledge of the AE, particularly their religion, a seemingly no go area for the fringe, probably because it requires some work putting in, not least learning at least the rudiments of understanding hieroglyphs, another no go area for the fringe. Did you know that the two strokes under Horakhty indicated the two horizons, by your reply to me I doubt it. Do some real learning and then come back with your fantasies, if your learning has not opened your eyes to some realities about the AE.

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1 minute ago, Wepwawet said:

[to SC] ... you chery pick the dubious work of others ...

And then accuse those who criticise such work of removing low-hanging fruit ...

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1 hour ago, Wepwawet said:

What, really. The obelisks still standing, or the remaining pedestals of twinned obelisks, are across all time periods orientated at least roughly on an East-West axis. If at any time the Earth had flipped, obelisks from that time would be orientated differently to reflect this, and the inscriptions for the East and West obelisks would be the reverse of what they actually are. This should be very clear.

Not if it flipped back the next day.

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1 hour ago, Windowpane said:
 

If pole-flipping did take place in other locations, as you allege, and if the results included rejuvenation of the sort described by Plato in his scheme of prehistory, why is that not recorded in the various traditions to which you refer? 

Why don't we hear of rejuvenated Ancient Egyptians?  Rejuvenated Ancient Romans?  Rejuvenated Ancient Chinese?  Rejuvenated Ancient Semitic peoples?

 

Many cultures the world over tell of the end of a former age and the beginning of a new age, a “new sun”. It is not difficult to imagine that, if these new ages arose out of the aftermath of a catastrophic Earth inversion event, then the world would, naturally, have to begin anew – rising phoenix-like from the ashes of the former world, a rebirth of sorts; a rejuvenation. Indeed, as you undoubtedly know, that is precisely what I believe Surid was preparing for with the construction of the pyramids. These were, imo, built as ‘Recovery Vaults’ to ensure the rebirth/rejuvenation of the kingdom after the worst effects of the cataclysm had passed. 

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Many cultures the world over tell of the end of a former age and the beginning of a new age, a “new sun”. It is not difficult to imagine that, if these new ages arose out of the aftermath of a catastrophic Earth inversion event, then the world would, naturally, have to begin anew – rising phoenix-like from the ashes of the former world, a rebirth of sorts; a rejuvenation. Indeed, as you undoubtedly know, that is precisely what I believe Surid was preparing for with the construction of the pyramids. These were, imo, built as ‘Recovery Vaults’ to ensure the rebirth/rejuvenation of the kingdom after the worst effects of the cataclysm had passed. 

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Edgar Cayce pole flip crap......Time for us to step in.

So where is the geological evidence that the planet flopped over? When did it happen? 

The magnetic field hasn't moved more than 5 degrees over the past 130 million years. 

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2 hours ago, Wepwawet said:

What, really. The obelisks still standing, or the remaining pedestals of twinned obelisks, are across all time periods orientated at least roughly on an East-West axis. If at any time the Earth had flipped, obelisks from that time would be orientated differently to reflect this, and the inscriptions for the East and West obelisks would be the reverse of what they actually are. This should be very clear.

Yes - "from that time".  When was the last inversion event? How old is the oldest AE obelisk?

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Also, if the Earth had flipped, then while not all temples are orientated on a strict East-West axis, some today would be orientated the oposite way, but none are. The mortuary temple of Hatshepsut points at the rising sun of the winter solstice, if the earth had been flipped in her time it would be pointing not to a sunrise, but a sunset, but is not, and do you not think that there would be quite some evidence for this, if it happened, but there is zero.

When were they built?  When was the last inversion event?  Were they built atop the remains of an even older temple as many ancient monuments were?  How was the older temple aligned?

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basically you are basing this on one inscription for Horemheb

Which is backed up by what AE priests told Herodotus and by other cultures elsewhere.

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 it's potential real meaning I have already ventured, and ignoring everything else, a vast corpus of work, that does not support your opinion.

The natural reading of that inscription is clear: (long ago) the sun rose in the west - just as the AE priests told Herodotus and as we are told from other cultures eslewhere. You don't like that simple truth so you had to go away and invent your own c0ck-and-bull nonsense. You can kid yourself with it if you want to.

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4 minutes ago, Piney said:

@Doc Socks Junior

Edgar Cayce pole flip crap......Time for us to step in.

I'm monitoring the situation, hah.

4 minutes ago, Piney said:

So where is the geological evidence that the planet flopped over? When did it happen?

Some say in the Jurassic. And the Cambrian. Various paleomagic evidence. Distribution of climatic zones, that sort of thing.

4 minutes ago, Piney said:

The magnetic field hasn't moved more than 5 degrees over the past 130 million years. 

 This made me think of APWPs. Obviously not the field actually moving, instead it's reflecting the continents. For instance, a Cenozoic N. American view here from some interesting recent work (https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2023GL103436) that rethinks APWP construction:

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But I would describe the field as constantly moving. Secular variation of the field taking it around its average hypothetical position like a drunk around a lamp post.

Also, all the flips and excursions have it rolling along pretty hot reasonably often.

People want to make a case for Hilina Pali or Tianchi, but the last best one of those would be Laschamps.

Needless to say, I trust in GAD pretty far back, which is to say that yes...it ain't moving much in relation to the spin axis, on average. Just had that paper rattling around in my head.

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2 minutes ago, Scott Creighton said:

Yes - "from that time".  When was the last inversion event?

When were they built?  When was the last inversion event?  Were they built atop the remains of an even older temple as many ancient monuments were?  How was the older temple aligned?

Which is backed up by what AE priests told Herodotus and by other cultures elsewhere.

The natural reading of that inscription is clear: (long ago) the sun rose in the west - just as the AE priests told Herodotus and as we are told from other cultures eslewhere. You don't like that simple truth so you had to go away and invent your own c0ck-and-bull nonsense. You can kid yourself with it if you want to.

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Yes when was this event? Because it wasn't recorded in the geological or human record in the Americas.

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1 hour ago, Piney said:

@Doc Socks Junior

Edgar Cayce pole flip crap......Time for us to step in.

So where is the geological evidence that the planet flopped over? When did it happen? 

The magnetic field hasn't moved more than 5 degrees over the past 130 million years. 

Edgar Cayce is certainly full of crap, but a recently discovered Magnetic Pole shift occurred approximately 42,000 years ago that caused a mass extinction.

“”Nearly 42,000 years ago, when Earth’s magnetic fields reversed, this triggered major environmental changes, extinction events, and long-term changes in human behavior, a new study reports. The findings, made possible by a new radiocarbon record derived from New Zealand’s ancient kauri trees, raise important questions about the evolutionary impacts of geomagnetic reversals and excursions throughout the deeper geological record, the authors say. “Before this work,” says author Chris Turney in a related video, “we knew there were a lot of things happening around the world at 42,000 years ago, but we didn’t know precisely how… For the first time, we’ve been able to precisely date what happened when Earth’s magnetic fields last flipped.””.

https://scitechdaily.com/earths-magnetic-field-reversal-42000-years-ago-triggered-a-global-environmental-crisis/?expand_article=1

A global environmental crisis 42,000 years ago: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abb8677

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17 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Edgar Cayce is certainly full of crap, but a recently discovered Magnetic Pole occurred approximately 42,000 years ago that caused a mass extinction.

“”Nearly 42,000 years ago, when Earth’s magnetic fields reversed, this triggered major environmental changes, extinction events, and long-term changes in human behavior, a new study reports. The findings, made possible by a new radiocarbon record derived from New Zealand’s ancient kauri trees, raise important questions about the evolutionary impacts of geomagnetic reversals and excursions throughout the deeper geological record, the authors say. “Before this work,” says author Chris Turney in a related video, “we knew there were a lot of things happening around the world at 42,000 years ago, but we didn’t know precisely how… For the first time, we’ve been able to precisely date what happened when Earth’s magnetic fields last flipped.””.

https://scitechdaily.com/earths-magnetic-field-reversal-42000-years-ago-triggered-a-global-environmental-crisis/?expand_article=1

A global environmental crisis 42,000 years ago: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abb8677

The Laschamps (Adams Event) wasn't as bad as they say. The Neanderthals and H.H.S weren't too affected.

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8 hours ago, Wepwawet said:

Well, by strange coincidence it just happens to be those dates. This brackets the "Sun rising in the West" inscription between the last full use of the Amduat, with the Sun rising in the East and setting in the West, in WV22, a few reigns before Horemheb, and the first use of the Book of Gates by Seti I two reigns after Horemheb. Btw, the Book of Gates of course has the rising and setting of the Sun in the East and then West, it also says some other pertinant things with a bearing about "Gods in the West" and Ra, but I don't think they will be welcome.

Oh wait, I forgot, Seti I is not the first use of the Book of Gates, it first appears in the tomb of Horemheb. So, his tomb has the sun rising in the East and setting in the West, which contradicts the fringe interpretation of this inscription, or, in Horemheb's time did the Sun rise and set in the East and West at the same time, who knows the truth, oh, riiiight....

...Perhaps TWO suns? Chuckle

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30 minutes ago, Piney said:

The Laschamps (Adams Event) wasn't as bad as they say. The Neanderthals and H.H.S weren't too affected.

That’s certainly true, let’s just hope it doesn’t happen while we are still alive.:D

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8 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Your inability to read hieroglyphs here really hampers you.

...another outstanding trait he shares with his co-fringer Cladking........who knows we might be only weeks away from Scott declaring the AE built the pyramid using a CO2 geyser!

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1 hour ago, Piney said:

@Doc Socks Junior

Edgar Cayce pole flip crap......Time for us to step in.

So where is the geological evidence that the planet flopped over? When did it happen? 

The magnetic field hasn't moved more than 5 degrees over the past 130 million years. 

While that may sound like a big deal, pole reversals are common in Earth’s geologic history. Paleomagnetic records tell us Earth’s magnetic poles have reversed 183 times in the last 83 million years, and at least several hundred times in the past 160 million years. The time intervals between reversals have fluctuated widely, but average about 300,000 years, with the last one taking place about 780,000 years ago. https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3104/flip-flop-why-variations-in-earths-magnetic-field-arent-causing-todays-climate-change/

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