Sodom and Gomorrah

[docyabut2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah#:~:text=Sodom and Gomorrah (%2Fˈs,19%3A1–28).

Just where are the cities that disappeared? It was said the cities are buried in a dead sea  by a small asteroid  that hit them.

 

The site of the present Dead Sea Works, a large operation for the extraction of Dead Sea minerals, is called "Sdom" (סדום) according to its traditional Arab name, Khirbet as-sudūm (خربت السدوم). Nearby is Mount Sodom (הר סדום in Hebrew and جبل السدوم in Arabic) which consists mainly of salt. In the Plain of Sdom (מישור סדום) to the south there are a few springs and two small agricultural villages, Neot HaKikar and Ein Tamar.

 

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[Grim Reaper 6]

5 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah#:~:text=Sodom and Gomorrah (%2Fˈs,19%3A1–28).

Just where are the cities that disappeared? It was said the cities are buried in a dead sea  by a small asteroid  that hit them.

Apparently, researchers believe that the cities could be located in a fertile plain North of the Dead Sea, but their location has never been proven. Docy, the link below has a great deal of information on the subject I sincerely hope this helps.

Hope you're doing ok and well!!!!

 Biblical Archaeology Society: Where Is Sodom? - Biblical Archaeology Society                                    

[The Puzzler]

“The effect would have been of biblical proportions: a superheated asteroid exploding into a massive fireball and shockwave over the Dead Sea.

The discovery and radiocarbon dating of unusual minerals in Jordan suggests exactly this happened some 3700 years ago.

Trinity Southwest University archaeologist and biblical researcher Phillip Silvia says preliminary findings based on crystallised rock suggests a massive airburst meteor blasted a 25km wide circular plain on the northeastern edge of the Dead Sea, now called Middle Ghor.”

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/how-an-asteroid-destroyed-sodom/news-story/7034528b5e51ee8cbd706acd2afab9e2

[The Puzzler]

“The phenomenon resulting in the destruction of civilisation on ‘the well watered plain of the Jordan’ and repelling reoccupation for so many centuries is now coming to light through analyses performed by ‘impact’ researchers from seven participating universities,” the archaeologists’ website reports. “That the most productive agricultural land in the region, which had supported flourishing civilisations continuously for at least 3000 years, should suddenly relinquish, then resist, human habitation for such a long period of time has begged investigation.”

“King James Version: Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.”

[Cho Jinn]

But where is the evidence? #skeptic

[The Puzzler]

On 10/1/2023 at 2:46 PM, Cho Jinn said:

But where is the evidence? #skeptic

Post #3

[Piney]

On 9/18/2023 at 7:28 AM, The Puzzler said:

“The effect would have been of biblical proportions: a superheated asteroid exploding into a massive fireball and shockwave over the Dead Sea.

The discovery and radiocarbon dating of unusual minerals in Jordan suggests exactly this happened some 3700 years ago.

Trinity Southwest University archaeologist and biblical researcher Phillip Silvia says preliminary findings based on crystallised rock suggests a massive airburst meteor blasted a 25km wide circular plain on the northeastern edge of the Dead Sea, now called Middle Ghor.”

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/how-an-asteroid-destroyed-sodom/news-story/7034528b5e51ee8cbd706acd2afab9e2

@Carnoferox and I debunked this already. The "evidence" is from the Saqqar impact which happened millions of years ago and several researchers outright lied. 

On 7/30/2023 at 5:15 PM, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Biblical Archaeology Society: Where Is Sodom? - Biblical Archaeology Society                                    

This is a apologist joke trying to "prove" events known to be pure myth like the Exodus.

On 9/30/2023 at 11:46 PM, Cho Jinn said:

But where is the evidence? #skeptic

There is none. 

[Piney]

On 9/18/2023 at 7:28 AM, The Puzzler said:

“The effect would have been of biblical proportions: a superheated asteroid exploding into a massive fireball and shockwave over the Dead Sea.

The discovery and radiocarbon dating of unusual minerals in Jordan suggests exactly this happened some 3700 years ago.

Trinity Southwest University archaeologist and biblical researcher Phillip Silvia says preliminary findings based on crystallised rock suggests a massive airburst meteor blasted a 25km wide circular plain on the northeastern edge of the Dead Sea, now called Middle Ghor.”

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/how-an-asteroid-destroyed-sodom/news-story/7034528b5e51ee8cbd706acd2afab9e2

Oh just so you know. You can't carbon date minerals. Just organics.

[The Puzzler]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

@Carnoferox and I debunked this already. The "evidence" is from the Saqqar impact which happened millions of years ago and several researchers outright lied. 

This is a apologist joke trying to "prove" events known to be pure myth like the Exodus.

There is none. 

You debunking it and science debunking it are two different things, no disrespect.

[Piney]

Just now, The Puzzler said:

You debunking it and science debunking it are two different things, no disrespect.

I was a actual field assistant who worked with the Comet Research Group when it was first founded and have a minor geology background as a former Resource Specialist. You know, a scientist. 

Well since I worked in land management under my wife sometimes technically I still am......well until she became ill...

I  also caught George Howard lying and salting sites and the rest of that crew knowingly agreeing with him. 

I thought you knew this. 

 

 

[Duke Wellington]

On 9/18/2023 at 12:28 PM, The Puzzler said:

“The effect would have been of biblical proportions: a superheated asteroid exploding into a massive fireball and shockwave over the Dead Sea.

The discovery and radiocarbon dating of unusual minerals in Jordan suggests exactly this happened some 3700 years ago.

Trinity Southwest University archaeologist and biblical researcher Phillip Silvia says preliminary findings based on crystallised rock suggests a massive airburst meteor blasted a 25km wide circular plain on the northeastern edge of the Dead Sea, now called Middle Ghor.”

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/how-an-asteroid-destroyed-sodom/news-story/7034528b5e51ee8cbd706acd2afab9e2

I have read the links and it does seem that an airburst would be consistent with the evidence.

Science hasn`t ascertained yet how common huge airbursts are, we know Russia had one early last century, but we don`t know about others. Perhaps they are quite common as in one every few centuries.

[The Puzzler]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

I was a actual field assistant who worked with the Comet Research Group when it was first founded and have a minor geology background as a former Resource Specialist. You know, a scientist. 

Well since I worked in land management under my wife sometimes technically I still am......well until she became ill...

I  also caught George Howard lying and salting sites and the rest of that crew knowingly agreeing with him. 

I thought you knew this. 

 

 

You and your Comet Research Group…you’re no fun.

[The Puzzler]

Just now, Electric Scooter said:

I have read the links and it does seem that an airburst would be consistent with the evidence.

Science hasn`t ascertained yet how common huge airbursts are, we know Russia had one early last century, but we don`t know about others. Perhaps they are quite common as in one every few centuries.

In more populated areas they would be quite something imo.

[Piney]

Just now, The Puzzler said:

You and your Comet Research Group…you’re no fun.

It was all fun running around for them during my 6 month blows from Corporate Measures until somebody started broadcasting manure and I stepped in it. 

[Antigonos]

22 minutes ago, Piney said:

This is an apologist joke trying to "prove" events known to be pure myth like the Exodus.

Like Vardiman and other creation scientists discussing ice core research.

[The Puzzler]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

It was all fun running around for them during my 6 month blows from Corporate Measures until somebody started broadcasting manure and I stepped in it. 

Emeritus professor of Earth Science at the University of California….can we call him fake too? Piney, maybe you need to move on from your previous negative experiences in this realm if we are to get anywhere here…or I’m giving up all together.

”It’s an incredibly culturally important area,” said James Kennett, emeritus professor of earth science at the University of California, Santa Barbara. “Much of where the early cultural complexity of humans developed is in this general area.”

”An Ancient Disaster: Researchers present evidence that a cosmic impact destroyed a biblical city in the Jordan Valley.

Scientists have found evidence of a cosmic airburst event around 1650 BCE that devastated the ancient city of Tall el-Hammam in the southern Jordan Valley, causing extreme temperatures and depositing high concentrations of salt. This event, potentially inspiring the biblical tales of Sodom and Jericho’s destruction, might have also led to a mass abandonment of cities in the region during the “Late Bronze Age Gap.”

https://scitechdaily.com/sodom-and-gomorrah-evidence-that-a-cosmic-impact-destroyed-a-biblical-city-in-the-jordan-valley/#:~:text=Meanwhile%2C fire and brimstone fell,of a cosmic impact event.

 

[The Puzzler]

Such a little part but such a big story…true or just words of wisdom?

Genesis 19:24.

 

[Piney]

35 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

Emeritus professor of Earth Science at the University of California….can we call him fake too? Piney, maybe you need to move on from your previous negative experiences in this realm if we are to get anywhere here…or I’m giving up all together.

”It’s an incredibly culturally important area,” said James Kennett, emeritus professor of earth science at the University of California, Santa Barbara. “Much of where the early cultural complexity of humans developed is in this general area.”

”An Ancient Disaster: Researchers present evidence that a cosmic impact destroyed a biblical city in the Jordan Valley.

Scientists have found evidence of a cosmic airburst event around 1650 BCE that devastated the ancient city of Tall el-Hammam in the southern Jordan Valley, causing extreme temperatures and depositing high concentrations of salt. This event, potentially inspiring the biblical tales of Sodom and Jericho’s destruction, might have also led to a mass abandonment of cities in the region during the “Late Bronze Age Gap.”

https://scitechdaily.com/sodom-and-gomorrah-evidence-that-a-cosmic-impact-destroyed-a-biblical-city-in-the-jordan-valley/#:~:text=Meanwhile%2C fire and brimstone fell,of a cosmic impact event.

 

Trying to credential bully me with him???? 

James Kennett is a proven liar who had his papers retracted after a peer review for falsifying evidence.  

@Carnoferox has the retraction papers and will provide the links. 

 

[cormac mac airt]

2 hours ago, Piney said:

Oh just so you know. You can't carbon date minerals. Just organics.

I have to wholeheartedly agree with you, anyone claiming to be able to radiocarbon date anything NON-organic is outright lying to their audience. It’s impossible! 
 

cormac

[theascen]

Hello,

 

Sounds like a great theory. Seems to me everything hasn't been taken into context or placement. Everyone loves a great story, especially with proof.

 

For example, What is this Palace/Temple being excavated on the north side of the Dead Sea?

How is this 25km blast area pertain to Sodom and Gomorrah which is 52 miles south supposedly in shallow water?

Are they supposing this was one location and evidence, or of many locations and blast; having nothing to do with the ill fated cities?

 

Secondly, If both condemned cities were destroyed, and this Palace excavation shows evidence, of a 25Km blast?

Is this just one 25km blast of many, or a very large blast area of about 100km in area if Sodom and Gomorrah are miles from each other?

Are there glass fragments from both areas?

 

Last, this sounds very similar to Greek mythology, Orpheus and Eurydice were forbidden to look back?

Wouldn't have Lot, have been turned to stone looking back to see her been already turned to stone?

How did Lot survive the blast then the next day looking down on Sodom and Gomorrah?

 

In conclusion, I want to believe both sides, it would be nice for any first written history to match up with present evidence.

I dont think its a far cry to say the heavens held the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah it its hands. We all are; no coincidence there.

 

Thank you, and have a great day.

 

 

[The Puzzler]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

Trying to credential bully me with him???? 

James Kennett is a proven liar who had his papers retracted after a peer review for falsifying evidence.  

@Carnoferox has the retraction papers and will provide the links. 

 

Ok ok you win…for now.

[The Puzzler]

16 minutes ago, theascen said:

Hello,

 

Sounds like a great theory. Seems to me everything hasn't been taken into context or placement. Everyone loves a great story, especially with proof.

 

For example, What is this Palace/Temple being excavated on the north side of the Dead Sea?

How is this 25km blast area pertain to Sodom and Gomorrah which is 52 miles south supposedly in shallow water?

Are they supposing this was one location and evidence, or of many locations and blast; having nothing to do with the ill fated cities?

 

Secondly, If both condemned cities were destroyed, and this Palace excavation shows evidence, of a 25Km blast?

Is this just one 25km blast of many, or a very large blast area of about 100km in area if Sodom and Gomorrah are miles from each other?

Are there glass fragments from both areas?

 

Last, this sounds very similar to Greek mythology, Orpheus and Eurydice were forbidden to look back?

Wouldn't have Lot, have been turned to stone looking back to see her been already turned to stone?

How did Lot survive the blast then the next day looking down on Sodom and Gomorrah?

 

In conclusion, I want to believe both sides, it would be nice for any first written history to match up with present evidence.

I dont think its a far cry to say the heavens held the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah it its hands. We all are; no coincidence there.

 

Thank you, and have a great day.

 

 

Thank you….for the thought provoking questions indeed.

[The Puzzler]

27 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

I have to wholeheartedly agree with you, anyone claiming to be able to radiocarbon date anything NON-organic is outright lying to their audience. It’s impossible! 
 

cormac

What non organic substance are you referring to? So I’m on the same page…

[The Puzzler]

So, all these people are liars?…

Reference: “A Tunguska sized airburst destroyed Tall el-Hammam a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea” by Ted E. Bunch, Malcolm A. LeCompte, A. Victor Adedeji, James H. Wittke, T. David Burleigh, Robert E. Hermes, Charles Mooney, Dale Batchelor, Wendy S. Wolbach, Joel Kathan, Gunther Kletetschka, Mark C. L. Patterson, Edward C. Swindel, Timothy Witwer, George A. Howard, Siddhartha Mitra, Christopher R. Moore, Kurt Langworthy, James P. Kennett, Allen West and Phillip J. Silvia, 20 September 2021, Scientific Reports.

[cormac mac airt]

8 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

What non organic substance are you referring to? So I’m on the same page…

MINERALS are non-organic and therefore CANNOT be radiocarbon dated. 
 

cormac