The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #26 Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: MINERALS are non-organic and therefore CANNOT be radiocarbon dated. cormac What out of this article or any says they radio-carbon dated MINERALS? Show me where it’s said they carbon dated minerals…I’ve read it a few times but can’t find that part. https://scitechdaily.com/sodom-and-gomorrah-evidence-that-a-cosmic-impact-destroyed-a-biblical-city-in-the-jordan-valley/#:~:text=Meanwhile%2C fire and brimstone fell,of a cosmic impact event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted October 12, 2023 #27 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, The Puzzler said: What out of this article or any says they radio-carbon dated MINERALS? Show me where it’s said they carbon dated minerals…I’ve read it a few times but can’t find that part. https://scitechdaily.com/sodom-and-gomorrah-evidence-that-a-cosmic-impact-destroyed-a-biblical-city-in-the-jordan-valley/#:~:text=Meanwhile%2C fire and brimstone fell,of a cosmic impact event. From your own post on the 18th: Quote The discovery and radiocarbon dating of unusual minerals in Jordan suggests exactly this happened some 3700 years ago. Try again. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted October 12, 2023 #28 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Piney said: @Carnoferox and I debunked this already. The "evidence" is from the Saqqar impact which happened millions of years ago and several researchers outright lied. This is a apologist joke trying to "prove" events known to be pure myth like the Exodus. There is none. See HERE. As if it couldn't get any worse. You will literally use anyone as a "source" just as long as it has been printed somewhere. Written by one Phillip J. Silvia, PhD from Trinity Southwest University whose "doctrinal position" says: TSU is a trans-denominational institution in the evangelical mainstream of the historic Christian Faith. However, we view “creedal formulations” and “statements of faith” beyond the Bible itself as “grids” that relegate the Word of God to “patient” status, rather than its proper role as “agent” in our lives. Therefore, we humbly submit our minds to the Bible by embracing Scripture (comprised of the ancient Hebrew Tanakh and the New Testament) as the only written, divinely inspired representation of reality given by God to humankind, speaking with absolute and authority in all matters upon which it touches. Gadzooks. Apparently its a race to the bottom of who can be more bat-$$$$ crazy. And where did Silvia get this "PhD" you ask- why Trinity Southwest University of course. And the original paper this comes from was riddled with fraud "corrections": Author Correction: A Tunguska sized airburst destroyed Tall el‑Hammam a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea All those "open minded" folk here you think you are talking to-they're not stupid. If they are reading along time and again the only thing they are learning is all this nonsense from you is complete s[n]ake oil. The consistent and calculated lack of intellectual integrity that is your MO in presenting your ideas is as sad as it is alarming. This is not the way Scott. Edited October 12, 2023 by Thanos5150 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #29 Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: From your own post on the 18th: Try again. cormac “Radioactive dating is a method of dating rocks and minerals using radioactive isotopes. This method is useful for igneous and metamorphic rocks, which cannot be dated by the stratigraphic correlation method used for sedimentary rocks. Over 300 naturally-occurring isotopes are known.” https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/#:~:text=Radioactive dating is a method,naturally-occurring isotopes are known. Maybe you need to try again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 12, 2023 #30 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Thanos5150 said: See HERE. As if it couldn't get any worse. You will literally use anyone as a "source" just as long as it has been printed somewhere. Written by one Phillip J. Silvia, PhD from Trinity Southwest University whose "doctrinal position" says: TSU is a trans-denominational institution in the evangelical mainstream of the historic Christian Faith. However, we view “creedal formulations” and “statements of faith” beyond the Bible itself as “grids” that relegate the Word of God to “patient” status, rather than its proper role as “agent” in our lives. Therefore, we humbly submit our minds to the Bible by embracing Scripture (comprised of the ancient Hebrew Tanakh and the New Testament) as the only written, divinely inspired representation of reality given by God to humankind, speaking with absolute and authority in all matters upon which it touches. Gadzooks. Apparently its a race to the bottom of who can be more bat-$$$$ crazy. And where did Silvia get this "PhD" you ask- why Trinity Southwest University of course. And the original paper this comes from was riddled with fraud "corrections": Author Correction: A Tunguska sized airburst destroyed Tall el‑Hammam a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea All those "open minded" folk here you think you are talking to-they're not stupid. If they are reading along time and again the only thing they are learning is all this nonsense from you is complete s[n]ake oil. The consistent and calculated lack of intellectual integrity that is your MO in presenting your ideas is as sad as it is alarming. This is not the way Scott. Thanks Lee! In my lack of caffeine I missed the TSU part. That dump takes "Diploma Mill" to toilet paper roll level. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 12, 2023 #31 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: “Radioactive dating is a method of dating rocks and minerals using radioactive isotopes. This method is useful for igneous and metamorphic rocks, which cannot be dated by the stratigraphic correlation method used for sedimentary rocks. Over 300 naturally-occurring isotopes are known.” https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/#:~:text=Radioactive dating is a method,naturally-occurring isotopes are known. Maybe you need to try again. Radiometric is a term that includes radiocarbon. They aren't the same. Edited October 12, 2023 by Piney brain fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted October 12, 2023 #32 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, The Puzzler said: “Radioactive dating is a method of dating rocks and minerals using radioactive isotopes. This method is useful for igneous and metamorphic rocks, which cannot be dated by the stratigraphic correlation method used for sedimentary rocks. Over 300 naturally-occurring isotopes are known.” https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/#:~:text=Radioactive dating is a method,naturally-occurring isotopes are known. Maybe you need to try again. Nope, you apparently don’t remotely understand the distinction. RadioCARBON dating is a specific subset of radioACTIVE/radioMETRIC dating. RadioCARBON dating CANNOT be done on non-organic material. cormac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #33 Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Piney said: Radiometric is a term that including radiocarbon. They aren't the same. Maybe the writer of the article didn’t understand the different terminologies…but certainly MINERALS can be dated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #34 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Nope, you apparently don’t remotely understand the distinction. RadioCARBON dating is a specific subset of radioACTIVE/radioMETRIC dating. RadioCARBON dating CANNOT be done on non-organic material. cormac Like I just said to Piney…my guess is the writer got his distinctions wrong, not the scientist. Minerals can be dated. He most likely wrote radio-carbon dates instead of using the correct radio-active/metric dating. I hardly think that’s a reason to kibosh this entirely. Edited October 12, 2023 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted October 12, 2023 #35 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: Like I just said to Piney…my guess is the writer got his distinctions wrong, not the scientist. Minerals can be dated. Your guess is irrelevant to what was written. A con artist BS’d you and you bought it. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #36 Share Posted October 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Your guess is irrelevant to what was written. A con artist BS’d you and you bought it. cormac No, I think you’re using that as an excuse. These article writers are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted October 12, 2023 #37 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, The Puzzler said: No, I think you’re using that as an excuse. These article writers are idiots. Nope, I understand better than you that what was written doesn’t support the claim. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #38 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, cormac mac airt said: Nope, I understand better than you that what was written doesn’t support the claim. cormac lol oh do you now? Ive just said what was written was by someone who doesn’t understand the terminologies…but as usual I’ll go hit my head against a wall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #39 Share Posted October 12, 2023 @cormac mac airt So all these scientists are wrong but the article writer is right…? Hardly. Reference: “A Tunguska sized airburst destroyed Tall el-Hammam a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea” by Ted E. Bunch, Malcolm A. LeCompte, A. Victor Adedeji, James H. Wittke, T. David Burleigh, Robert E. Hermes, Charles Mooney, Dale Batchelor, Wendy S. Wolbach, Joel Kathan, Gunther Kletetschka, Mark C. L. Patterson, Edward C. Swindel, Timothy Witwer, George A. Howard, Siddhartha Mitra, Christopher R. Moore, Kurt Langworthy, James P. Kennett, Allen West and Phillip J. Silvia, 20 September 2021, Scientific Reports. DOI: 10.1038/s41598-021-97778-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted October 12, 2023 #40 Share Posted October 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: @cormac mac airt So all these scientists are wrong but the article writer is right…? Hardly. Reference: “A Tunguska sized airburst destroyed Tall el-Hammam a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea” by Ted E. Bunch, Malcolm A. LeCompte, A. Victor Adedeji, James H. Wittke, T. David Burleigh, Robert E. Hermes, Charles Mooney, Dale Batchelor, Wendy S. Wolbach, Joel Kathan, Gunther Kletetschka, Mark C. L. Patterson, Edward C. Swindel, Timothy Witwer, George A. Howard, Siddhartha Mitra, Christopher R. Moore, Kurt Langworthy, James P. Kennett, Allen West and Phillip J. Silvia, 20 September 2021, Scientific Reports. DOI: 10.1038/s41598-021-97778-3 Go read the report that invalidates it. Source: No mineralogic or geochemical evidence of impact at Tall el‐Hammam, a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-08216-x cormac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 12, 2023 #41 Share Posted October 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: @cormac mac airt So all these scientists are wrong but the article writer is right…? Hardly. Reference: “A Tunguska sized airburst destroyed Tall el-Hammam a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea” by Ted E. Bunch, Malcolm A. LeCompte, A. Victor Adedeji, James H. Wittke, T. David Burleigh, Robert E. Hermes, Charles Mooney, Dale Batchelor, Wendy S. Wolbach, Joel Kathan, Gunther Kletetschka, Mark C. L. Patterson, Edward C. Swindel, Timothy Witwer, George A. Howard, Siddhartha Mitra, Christopher R. Moore, Kurt Langworthy, James P. Kennett, Allen West and Phillip J. Silvia, 20 September 2021, Scientific Reports. DOI: 10.1038/s41598-021-97778-3 The whole crew is from the Comet Research Group and this was peer reviewed and retracted. Google it. George Howard is also the fellow environmental scientist I caught lying and salting sites. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted October 12, 2023 #42 Share Posted October 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: lol oh do you now? Ive just said what was written was by someone who doesn’t understand the terminologies…but as usual I’ll go hit my head against a wall. YOU didn’t even understand the terminologies, yet tried to support it by changing radioCARBON to radioACTIVE. Disingenuous at best. cormac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 12, 2023 #43 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Go read the report that invalidates it. Source: No mineralogic or geochemical evidence of impact at Tall el‐Hammam, a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-08216-x cormac That's the one. @Carnoferox has the PDF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted October 12, 2023 #44 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, Piney said: That's the one. @Carnoferox has the PDF. As do I! cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #45 Share Posted October 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Go read the report that invalidates it. Source: No mineralogic or geochemical evidence of impact at Tall el‐Hammam, a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-08216-x cormac Hmmm, tomorrow is another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #46 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Piney said: The whole crew is from the Comet Research Group and this was peer reviewed and retracted. Google it. George Howard is also the fellow environmental scientist I caught lying and salting sites. I’ll accept it for now. Let’s see if docy has more to add….I tried. Edited October 12, 2023 by The Puzzler 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted October 12, 2023 #47 Share Posted October 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Go read the report that invalidates it. Source: No mineralogic or geochemical evidence of impact at Tall el‐Hammam, a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-08216-x cormac It invalidates an impact but not an airburst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted October 12, 2023 #48 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, The Puzzler said: Hmmm, tomorrow is another day. You’re welcome! cormac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #49 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Electric Scooter said: It invalidates an impact but not an airburst. Oh another contender has appeared to take my place, go for it ES. Night all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 12, 2023 #50 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: As do I! cormac The only reason they can't kick Kennett and Moore to the curb is tenure. But they'd sure as hell like too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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