Piney Posted October 12, 2023 #51 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: It invalidates an impact but not an airburst. An airburst would leave a geochemical signature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted October 12, 2023 #52 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Piney said: An airburst would leave a geochemical signature. We could reason any airburst low enough to destroy an ancient city would leave micro diamonds in the bedrock from the shockwave. Edited October 12, 2023 by Electric Scooter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted October 12, 2023 #53 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I tend to agree it's a writer of the article issue, radiocarbon vs radiometric. Since the article also seems to imply the researchers (loosely applied) might want to use zircon as a chronometer. Easy enough to mix up, maybe. That being the case, I don't think the researchers know their business either. Given the age of the site, I don't think zircon dating would be very effective. I think it would have to be U-Th disequilibrium dating and the errors would make it inconclusive. Pre-post edit...apparently they can get down to 2.5 ka with U-Th and U-Th-He double dating. Learn something new every day... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted October 12, 2023 #54 Share Posted October 12, 2023 36 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: @cormac mac airt So all these scientists are wrong but the article writer is right…? Hardly. Reference: “A Tunguska sized airburst destroyed Tall el-Hammam a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea” by Ted E. Bunch, Malcolm A. LeCompte, A. Victor Adedeji, James H. Wittke, T. David Burleigh, Robert E. Hermes, Charles Mooney, Dale Batchelor, Wendy S. Wolbach, Joel Kathan, Gunther Kletetschka, Mark C. L. Patterson, Edward C. Swindel, Timothy Witwer, George A. Howard, Siddhartha Mitra, Christopher R. Moore, Kurt Langworthy, James P. Kennett, Allen West and Phillip J. Silvia, 20 September 2021, Scientific Reports. DOI: 10.1038/s41598-021-97778-3 I mean, they did try....but... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #55 Share Posted October 12, 2023 The summit of Mt Everest is marine limestone….so is Uluru…a massive monolith tossed on its side, once an ancient part of the ocean floor now shows its head above the Earth…..too ancient for us to comprehend. Good one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 12, 2023 #56 Share Posted October 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: We could reason any airburst low enough to destroy an ancient city would leave micro diamonds in the bedrock from the shockwave. Yup, among other things and there are also terrestrial imposters such as magnetites, fulgurites, ooides, iberulites, achneliths and rounded mineral grains which is what Howard was showing to people. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted October 12, 2023 #57 Share Posted October 12, 2023 So are we ruling the guy and his team of presumably undergraduates did some phoney research? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted October 12, 2023 #58 Share Posted October 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: The summit of Mt Everest is marine limestone….so is Uluru…a massive monolith tossed on its side, once an ancient part of the ocean floor now shows its head above the Earth…..too ancient for us to comprehend. Good one. Thanks! I do like the quote. Is Uluru not sandstone? I thought for sure it was. Might be some limey-ness in there, of course, but on the main I think it's sandstone. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #59 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said: Thanks! I do like the quote. Is Uluru not sandstone? I thought for sure it was. Might be some limey-ness in there, of course, but on the main I think it's sandstone. It’s arkose. But yes, sandstone. https://www.wasp.edu.au/pluginfile.php? A nearby rock has the other attributes. It doesn’t matter, it’s not applicable to the topic. Good quote. Edited October 12, 2023 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 12, 2023 #60 Share Posted October 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: So are we ruling the guy and his team of presumably undergraduates did some phoney research? Apparently. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 12, 2023 #61 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Electric Scooter said: So are we ruling the guy and his team of presumably undergraduates did some phoney research? And a few department heads and the owner of a environmental restoration company who apparently can't find work. I was part of this group when it first formed before most of these other characters were around. My job was to look for YDI evidence in the thermokarst basins in the East Coast Pine Barrens and as a Token Indian looking for myths related to such a impact. Then I started catching the outright lies and going over Clovis dig reports and sites looking for "black mats"....which weren't everywhere like they kept sayIng. I walked away. Edited October 12, 2023 by Piney brain fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted October 12, 2023 #62 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Piney said: And a few department heads and the owner of a environmental restoration company who apparently can't find work. I was part of this group when it first formed before most of these other characters were around. My job was to look for YDI evidence in the thermokarst basins in the East Coast Pine Barrens and as a Token Indian looking for myths related to such a impact. Then I started catching the outright lies and going over Clovis dig reports and sites looking for "black mats"....which weren't everywhere like they kept say. I walked away. Well, I did notice he is selling a book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 12, 2023 #63 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Electric Scooter said: Well, I did notice he is selling a book. Bingo! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoferox Posted October 12, 2023 #64 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Piney said: Trying to credential bully me with him???? James Kennett is a proven liar who had his papers retracted after a peer review for falsifying evidence. @Carnoferox has the retraction papers and will provide the links. Sorry for the late reply. I think all these papers should be open-access, but if they aren't available for someone then just DM me and I can get you the pdfs. Original Tall el-Hammam "airburst" paper from CRG (September 20, 2021): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3 Refutations of Tall el-Hammam paper (January/February, 2022 & March 25, 2022): https://skepticalinquirer.org/2021/12/sodom-meteor-strike-claims-should-be-taken-with-a-pillar-of-salt/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-08216-x The Tall el-Hammam paper has not been retracted yet, but an investigation is ongoing and it probably will be removed in the near future. https://retractionwatch.com/2023/02/21/journal-investigating-sodom-comet-paper-for-data-problems/ Original Hopewell "airburst" paper from CRG (February 1, 2022): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-05758-y Refutations of Hopewell paper (July 15, 2022 & August 9, 2023): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-16211-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-39866-0 Retraction notice for Hopewell paper (August 30, 2023): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-41237-8 Edited October 12, 2023 by Carnoferox 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 12, 2023 #65 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Carnoferox said: Sorry for the late reply. I think all these papers should be open-access, but if they aren't available for someone then just DM me and I can get you the pdfs. Original Tall el-Hammam "airburst" paper from CRG (September 20, 2021): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3 Refutations of Tall el-Hammam paper (January/February, 2022 & March 25, 2022): https://skepticalinquirer.org/2021/12/sodom-meteor-strike-claims-should-be-taken-with-a-pillar-of-salt/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-08216-x The Tall el-Hammam paper has not been retracted yet, but an investigation is ongoing and it probably will be removed in the near future. https://retractionwatch.com/2023/02/21/journal-investigating-sodom-comet-paper-for-data-problems/ Original Hopewell "airburst" paper from CRG (February 1, 2022): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-05758-y Refutations of Hopewell paper (July 15, 2022 & August 9, 2023): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-16211-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-39866-0 Retraction notice for Hopewell paper (August 30, 2023): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-41237-8 Thanks Bro! None of these ancient field tablets from the environmental business can post links. But I do have 3 of them when one goes flat. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted October 12, 2023 #66 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Obviously remnants of the great battle between the Greys and Lizard people versus two Anunnaki battle stations complete with slave quarters for earth slaves extracting gold. The special dehydrator weapons used instantly evaporate all of the moisture in a human body leaving only a pile of salts. Am I close? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 13, 2023 #67 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, Tatetopa said: Obviously remnants of the great battle between the Greys and Lizard people versus two Anunnaki battle stations complete with slave quarters for earth slaves extracting gold. The special dehydrator weapons used instantly evaporate all of the moisture in a human body leaving only a pile of salts. Am I close? The funniest part of the gold thingy is a technological advanced interstellar civilization could build a ram scoop and extract it in huge quantities right from the dust cloud of a hypernova. No pain in the ass Earth monkeys needed. Edited October 13, 2023 by Piney brain fart 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted October 14, 2023 #68 Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) On 10/12/2023 at 12:01 PM, Electric Scooter said: So are we ruling the guy and his team of presumably undergraduates did some phoney research? He was trying to find evidence of Sodom and Gomorrah to prove the Bible is right. People have been known to misinterpret/fake data to prove that their personal religion was the One True Religion. Edited October 14, 2023 by Kenemet 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 14, 2023 #69 Share Posted October 14, 2023 9 hours ago, Kenemet said: He was trying to find evidence of Sodom and Gomorrah to prove the Bible is right. People have been known to misinterpret/fake data to prove that their personal religion was the One True Religion. I don’t deny this has gone on…but should we relegate every person who might be a Christian…or believer of the Bible, which is many, to be manipulating things to their own advancement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 14, 2023 #70 Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) On 10/13/2023 at 6:25 AM, Electric Scooter said: Well, I did notice he is selling a book. . Edited October 14, 2023 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted October 14, 2023 #71 Share Posted October 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: I don’t deny this has gone on…but should we relegate every person who might be a Christian…or believer of the Bible, which is many, to be manipulating things to their own advancement? Not at all, the Bible dating and historical accounts have proven correct many times. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted October 14, 2023 #72 Share Posted October 14, 2023 2 hours ago, The Puzzler said: I don’t deny this has gone on…but should we relegate every person who might be a Christian…or believer of the Bible, which is many, to be manipulating things to their own advancement? Only those who completely ignore verifiable evidence that runs counter to the Biblical account/s. cormac 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 14, 2023 #73 Share Posted October 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Electric Scooter said: Not at all, the Bible dating and historical accounts have proven correct many times. Can I have a link for that? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 15, 2023 #74 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Piney said: Can I have a link for that? An interesting interlude…not really an answer… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_archaeology Edited October 15, 2023 by The Puzzler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 15, 2023 #75 Share Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, The Puzzler said: An interesting interlude… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_archaeology I'm more than familiar with it. Especially the part about American Bible literalists turning the whole concept into a fringe subset and trying to prove the stories are all real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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