Sodom and Gomorrah

[The Puzzler]

30 minutes ago, Piney said:

I'm more than familiar with it. Especially the part about American Bible literalists turning the whole concept into a fringe subset and trying to prove the stories are all real. 

Did Cyrus alleviate the Jews from bondage in Babylon?….

 

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

Did Cyrus alleviate the Jews from bondage in Babylon?….

 

Yes and he freed the Babylonians from Babylon too. He freed everyone. 

[The Puzzler]

25 minutes ago, Piney said:

Yes and he freed the Babylonians from Babylon too. He freed everyone. 

So…there’s a true story from the Bible that aligns with archaeology….Cyrus certainly lived at this time and did this deed….. I’m not saying every story is true….but we cannot look at this statement from the Old Testament as a moot point. I have no idea what other examples pettytalk has but that’s an example of truth within archaeology of the Bible.

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[+Pettytalk]

47 minutes ago, Piney said:

I'm more than familiar with it. Especially the part about American Bible literalists turning the whole concept into a fringe subset and trying to prove the stories are all real. 

Is it not a fact that the earth is around 6,000 years old, as some Bible literalists argue?  I would be disappointed if they got the age wrong, as I admire youth more than old age. It has always intrigued me as to how these literalists, not being scientists, came up with in dating the earth's age. Dating the earth's age in the same manner is not confined to Biblical literalists. Plato made that very evident, using one of the seven wise men of ancient Greece. In fact, it was none other than the assumed wisest of the seven, Solon. 

[The Puzzler]

31 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

Is it not a fact that the earth is around 6,000 years old, as some Bible literalists argue?  I would be disappointed if they got the age wrong, as I admire youth more than old age. It has always intrigued me as to how these literalists, not being scientists, came up with in dating the earth's age. Dating the earth's age in the same manner is not confined to Biblical literalists. Plato made that very evident, using one of the seven wise men of ancient Greece. In fact, it was none other than the assumed wisest of the seven, Solon. 

True. Should we rely on Bishop Ussher for our Biblical chronology, or worlds chronology to be more correct?…. No.

The Bible is what you make of it. It can contain truth or not….depending on who you listen to…

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[Piney]

5 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

Is it not a fact that the earth is around 6,000 years old, as some Bible literalists argue?  I would be disappointed if they got the age wrong, as I admire youth more than old age. It has always intrigued me as to how these literalists, not being scientists, came up with in dating the earth's age. Dating the earth's age in the same manner is not confined to Biblical literalists. Plato made that very evident, using one of the seven wise men of ancient Greece. In fact, it was none other than the assumed wisest of the seven, Solon. 

James Ussher, a Irish Archbishop decided about 400 years ago the world was created in 4004 BC completely ignoring the Jewish Calendar. 

[Piney]

20 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

So…there’s a true story from the Bible that aligns with archaeology….Cyrus certainly lived at this time and did this deed….. I’m not saying every story is true….but we cannot look at this statement from the Old Testament as a moot point. I have no idea what other examples pettytalk has but that’s an example of truth within archaeology of the Bible.

But it's still exaggerated. 

[The Puzzler]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

But it's still exaggerated. 

Is it? 
Exaggerated or not…like his philosophies, it does not discount truth lying underneath the exaggeration.

In fact, the whole two dialogues are imbued with Biblical connotations.

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[Piney]

3 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

Is it? 
Exaggerated or not…like his philosophies, it does not discount truth lying underneath the exaggeration.

In fact, the whole two dialogues are imbued with Biblical connotations.

The Bible was written down during Ptolemaic Greek rule when they were pushing Greek culture and philosophy on the Hebrews so I would say your observation is the opposite.

[The Puzzler]

12 minutes ago, Piney said:

James Ussher, a Irish Archbishop decided about 400 years ago the world was created in 4004 BC completely ignoring the Jewish Calendar. 

I also mentioned him, we cannot put faith into this one mans “modern” interpretation of time restrains of the Genesis.

[The Puzzler]

5 minutes ago, Piney said:

The Bible was written down during Ptolemaic Greek rule when they were pushing Greek culture and philosophy on the Hebrews so I would say your observation is the opposite.

Ptolemaic Greek rule? What shrooms you on?

At least captive Babylonian times would be rule of thumb.

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

Ptolemaic Greek rule? What shrooms you on?

That's when the Old Testament books were written down and all put together as a whole. 

Bout 350 BC. 

[The Puzzler]

35 minutes ago, Piney said:

James Ussher, a Irish Archbishop decided about 400 years ago the world was created in 4004 BC completely ignoring the Jewish Calendar. 

Where does the Bible say the World was created 4004BC? No where, except from his distorted young creationist nonsense.

Thats working it out at 3/100 generations….Mesthuselah was near,y 1000 years old, that’s 10 x 3/100….we need to fit 300 generations worth in just his lifetime….300x30=9000 generations /300= 9000 oh my, how about that, the exact same time Plato has us believe this Great War started …Ussher was full of ****e

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[The Puzzler]

5 minutes ago, Piney said:

That's when the Old Testament books were written down and all put together as a whole. 

Bout 350 BC. 

Put together as a whole…nice catch.

[+Pettytalk]

5 minutes ago, Piney said:

James Ussher, a Irish Archbishop decided about 400 years ago the world was created in 4004 BC completely ignoring the Jewish Calendar. 

I was being facetious, as I'm familiar with these details, and if I'm not mistaken, we have discussed the Archbishop on UM. And for those that are not familiar, with the beauty (the positive side) of the internet, we can all become wise and rich with "knowledge." "James Ussher, he was a prolific scholar and church leader, who today is most famous for his identification of the genuine letters of the church father, Ignatius of Antioch, and for his chronology that sought to establish the time and date of the creation."

Naturally, as they say, all roads lead to Rome. For me, which will be no big secret for those here that have had exchanges with me, is more like, "all roads lead to Atlantis." After all, we have just about exhausted all possible locations for Atlantis on earth.  

Perhaps this thread is not the location for any discourse on Atlantis, however, the discussions eventually have lead to Biblical literalists. Still, it's ironic that, within the text of the Timaeus, we basically have a "literalist," the wise Solon, and the "scientists," the Egyptian priests, who are arguing, indirectly, on the "age" of earthly events using mythology and supposed real events, which are somewhat parallel to the Biblical stories. Those familiar with the Bible, and also Greek mythology, will no doubt spot the similarities.

To this city came Solon, and was received there with great honour; [22] he asked the priests who were most skilful in such matters, about antiquity, and made the discovery that neither he nor any other Hellene knew anything worth mentioning about the times of old. On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened. Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why.

[+Pettytalk]

37 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

True. Should we rely on Bishop Usher for our Biblical chronology, I’m no Bible nut but I like fair calls.

The Bible is what you make of it. It can contain truth or not….depending on who you listen to…

I listen to Socrates and Plato, as they are real lovers of truth. 

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Pettytalk said:

I was being facetious, as I'm familiar with these details, and if I'm not mistaken, we have discussed the Archbishop on UM. And for those that are not familiar, with the beauty (the positive side) of the internet, we can all become wise and rich with "knowledge." "James Ussher, he was a prolific scholar and church leader, who today is most famous for his identification of the genuine letters of the church father, Ignatius of Antioch, and for his chronology that sought to establish the time and date of the creation."

Naturally, as they say, all roads lead to Rome. For me, which will be no big secret for those here that have had exchanges with me, is more like, "all roads lead to Atlantis." After all, we have just about exhausted all possible locations for Atlantis on earth.  

Perhaps this thread is not the location for any discourse on Atlantis, however, the discussions eventually have lead to Biblical literalists. Still, it's ironic that, within the text of the Timaeus, we basically have a "literalist," the wise Solon, and the "scientists," the Egyptian priests, who are arguing, indirectly, on the "age" of earthly events using mythology and supposed real events, which are somewhat parallel to the Biblical stories. Those familiar with the Bible, and also Greek mythology, will no doubt spot the similarities.

To this city came Solon, and was received there with great honour; [22] he asked the priests who were most skilful in such matters, about antiquity, and made the discovery that neither he nor any other Hellene knew anything worth mentioning about the times of old. On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened. Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why.

I know your being facetious. I'm suffering caffeine deficiency. 

[The Puzzler]

4 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

I was being facetious, as I'm familiar with these details, and if I'm not mistaken, we have discussed the Archbishop on UM. And for those that are not familiar, with the beauty (the positive side) of the internet, we can all become wise and rich with "knowledge." "James Ussher, he was a prolific scholar and church leader, who today is most famous for his identification of the genuine letters of the church father, Ignatius of Antioch, and for his chronology that sought to establish the time and date of the creation."

Naturally, as they say, all roads lead to Rome. For me, which will be no big secret for those here that have had exchanges with me, is more like, "all roads lead to Atlantis." After all, we have just about exhausted all possible locations for Atlantis on earth.  

Perhaps this thread is not the location for any discourse on Atlantis, however, the discussions eventually have lead to Biblical literalists. Still, it's ironic that, within the text of the Timaeus, we basically have a "literalist," the wise Solon, and the "scientists," the Egyptian priests, who are arguing, indirectly, on the "age" of earthly events using mythology and supposed real events, which are somewhat parallel to the Biblical stories. Those familiar with the Bible, and also Greek mythology, will no doubt spot the similarities.

To this city came Solon, and was received there with great honour; [22] he asked the priests who were most skilful in such matters, about antiquity, and made the discovery that neither he nor any other Hellene knew anything worth mentioning about the times of old. On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened. Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why.

“Perhaps this thread is not the location for any discourse on Atlantis,”

To the contrary. Even though many here disclaim anything to do with it…..that’s what drives one on to further research.

[The Puzzler]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

I know your being facetious. I'm suffering caffeine deficiency. 

I think you both are lying. 

[The Puzzler]

Yeah, I need another drink, excuses, excuses.

[+Pettytalk]

5 minutes ago, Piney said:

I know your being facetious. I'm suffering caffeine deficiency. 

I knew you knew, because I have already had my first cappuccino. I never doubt that you know, with or without coffee.

[The Puzzler]

Oh for Gods sake. I got a new topic x

[Piney]

6 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

I knew you knew, because I have already had my first cappuccino. I never doubt that you know, with or without coffee.

I'm having my coffee now. Gotta let the gut settle first.

[+Pettytalk]

7 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

“Perhaps this thread is not the location for any discourse on Atlantis,”

Since it's a Biblical matter, the thread is definitely related to any discussion on Atlantis. But hardly anyone here would agree with the relationship. But I sense I have a helper in you, as we can work together. Anyone with an open mind is a worker/helper in the pursuit of truth.  “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into His harvest field."

[The Puzzler]

Meanwhile…

”I'll start with the Garden of Eden.

So the story says that Adam and Eve once peacefully lived in the Garden of Eden. They had plentiful food and water and lived along with animals, one with God. However, an evil serpent in the garden deceived Eve, who ate the prohibited fruit and gave some to Adam. Then God sent them to Earth, and they didn't have enough crops, etc., and this was the original sin, and humanity no longer lived in the Garden of Eden.

Now, this kind of reminds me of Plato's Atlantis: Adam and Eve representing humanity (When they were living in Atlantis) with abundant resources, close to God. Then they bit the Apple (They've become less close to God + rebelled), and then they were sent to Earth, where they lacked resources and had become corrupted by sin (Atlantis: humanity was once living in a highly advanced civilization, but they've lost the technology and the knowledge”

ITS THE FALL OF MAN that connects it all.

Athenians were the same…out of touch with Godly expectations, to produce a good outcome of man itself.

Edited October 15, 2023 by The Puzzler
https://www.reddit.com/r/atlantis/comments/14qkyg9/two_things_connecting_the_bible_to_platos_atlantis/?rdt=53965