atalante Posted October 17, 2023 #126 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pettytalk said: Before Plato, apart from Herodotus and his Histories, there seems to be no other sources for making the association of Athena to Neith, and vice versa. Why the Egyptian Delta? And where is the Biblical connection? Pettytalk, Aeschylus (ca 480 BCE) wrote two plays about this (Danaids) theme that connects Athena and Neith : The Suppliants; and Amymone. Edited October 17, 2023 by atalante 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted October 17, 2023 #127 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 hours ago, atalante said: Pettytalk, Aeschylus (ca 480 BCE) wrote two plays about this (Danaids) theme that connects Athena and Neith : The Suppliants; and Amymone. Can you provide page and paragraph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 17, 2023 #128 Share Posted October 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pettytalk said: Can you provide page and paragraph? There are some here who suffer from 'posting-links-anxiety'. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atalante Posted October 17, 2023 #129 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Pettytalk said: Can you provide page and paragraph? This should be adequate. The information is widely known. https://www.jstor.org/stable/629361 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted October 18, 2023 #130 Share Posted October 18, 2023 13 hours ago, atalante said: This should be adequate. The information is widely known. https://www.jstor.org/stable/629361 It's not adequate, as I don't have an account with JSTOR. I read the preview page, but it has no mention or hint on the association of Athena with Neith. Since you initially stated that the association was mentioned by Aeschylus in two of his plays; The Suppliants and Amymone, I assumed you had read the plays, and noted the clear association. That was the reason I asked you to provide the page and paragraph. Now you are basically providing a link to an article written in 1957 by A. Diamantopoulos, The Danaid Tetralogy of Aeschylus. Then I must assume that you never read those two plays, or if you did, there are no direct mention of Athena and Neith being one and the same. Apparently, if you are still maintaining that Aeschylus made the association, you must have gotten the information from this article you have linked. Then, please, be so kind as to provide where in the article, specifically, the association is made, and which leads back to Aeschylus? You can take a picture of the applicable text, and it will suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 18, 2023 #131 Share Posted October 18, 2023 16 hours ago, Abramelin said: There are some here who suffer from 'posting-links-anxiety'. @Harte caught it while fishing in a stream next to a military chemical plant and it's apparently highly contagious. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted October 18, 2023 #132 Share Posted October 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, Piney said: @Harte caught it while fishing in a stream next to a military chemical plant and it's apparently highly contagious. Military chemical plants? What kind bait were you using on your hook? Now that you are here, and hopefully you have had your caffeine fix, enlighten me, if you can on this association of the Egyptian goddess Neith with Athena. Now I'm not even certain Herodotus made mention of it in his Histories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 18, 2023 #133 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pettytalk said: Military chemical plants? What kind bait were you using on your hook? Now that you are here, and hopefully you have had your caffeine fix, enlighten me, if you can on this association of the Egyptian goddess Neith with Athena. Now I'm not even certain Herodotus made mention of it in his Histories. Most of what I knew of Herodotus' writings was removed with my stroke. I don't know anything about a connection between Neith and Athena. If I remember correctly Athena started out as a Minoan palace goddess, but I could be wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted October 18, 2023 #134 Share Posted October 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, Pettytalk said: Now that you are here, and hopefully you have had your caffeine fix, enlighten me, if you can on this association of the Egyptian goddess Neith with Athena. Now I'm not even certain Herodotus made mention of it in his Histories. Classical authors attesting that Greeks widely recognized Neith as the Egyptian equivalent of Athena: Herodotus (2.62) Diodorus Sicilus (5.58) Plato (Timeus 21e) Pausanias (2.36) Plutarch (On Isis and Osiris 9/354C). The writings have been confirmed by archaeology. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 18, 2023 #135 Share Posted October 18, 2023 39 minutes ago, Piney said: Most of what I knew of Herodotus' writings was removed with my stroke. I don't know anything about a connection between Neith and Athena. If I remember correctly Athena started out as a Minoan palace goddess, but I could be wrong. I assume you meant this: https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/362695-the-phoenicians-atlantis-and-the-richat-structure/page/10/#comment-7603706 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted October 18, 2023 #136 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Antigonos said: Classical authors attesting that Greeks widely recognized Neith as the Egyptian equivalent of Athena: Herodotus (2.62) Diodorus Sicilus (5.58) Plato (Timeus 21e) Pausanias (2.36) Plutarch (On Isis and Osiris 9/354C). The writings have been confirmed by archaeology. 2 seconds: The Greek historian Herodotus (c. 484 – c. 425 BC) noted that the Egyptian citizens of Sais in Egypt worshipped Neith. The Greeks sought to draw a syncretic relationship to associate Egyptian deities with those of Greece. They identified Neith with Athena. The Timaeus, a dialogue written by Plato, mirrors that identification with Athena, possibly as a result of the identification of both goddesses with war and weaving.[12] 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted October 19, 2023 #137 Share Posted October 19, 2023 20 hours ago, Thanos5150 said: 2 seconds: The Greek historian Herodotus (c. 484 – c. 425 BC) noted that the Egyptian citizens of Sais in Egypt worshipped Neith. The Greeks sought to draw a syncretic relationship to associate Egyptian deities with those of Greece. They identified Neith with Athena. The Timaeus, a dialogue written by Plato, mirrors that identification with Athena, possibly as a result of the identification of both goddesses with war and weaving.[12] I was going to mention this part by Herodotus….”the Greeks” as a whole…not just Plato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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