More Americans than ever now believe in UFOs, polls suggest

[Hazzard]

1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

who do you think you are mate!!!? == <What did you learn?> what an arrogant MFer! NAFF off!!!

Sorry, this has really pi**ed me off!

Sure is full of himself isnt he  Sadly, the "evidence" he presented thus far isnt even close to what people with even the smallest skeptical mindset is looking for. An orgy of the same old newspaper clips, 60 year old he said/she said testimony and those wacky radar numbers.

His entire case is built on 50 yo eyewitness testimony and "What else could it have been." 

Zero substance if peer reviewed... and he knows it.

Thats why we keep seeing this annoying attitude. Precariously close to trolling if you ask me. 

[skyeagle409]

8 hours ago, Hazzard said:

There was a time when everyone believed in withches, did that make them real? It doesnt matter who (or how many) believes in the paranormal... if its not real.

All that matter is the evidence and how good it is.

So far, its waaay below anything even remotely resembling scientific standard.

 

Scientific standards have been used to prove that an extraterrestrial presence here on earth is a fact. Seems you missed reports where scientist reported tracking flying saucers. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by skyeagle409

[skyeagle409]

6 hours ago, Dejarma said:

who do you think you are mate!!!? == <What did you learn?> what an arrogant MFer! NAFF off!!!

Sorry, this has really pi**ed me off!

I've learned a lot, which is why I have stated that an ET presence is a fact. We can also take a look here.

A monumental UFO scandal is looming 

Grusch has stated that he provided a wealth of highly classified evidence to the powerful internal investigative agencies overseeing the Department of Defense and the U.S intelligence community, but he has not presented any such evidence publicly. 

However, the officials and lawmakers who have reviewed Grusch’s classified evidence are taking his extraordinary allegations seriously. The inspector general of the intelligence community deemed Grusch’s allegations that UFO-related information was inappropriately concealed from Congress “credible and urgent.” Senate Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) confirmed the inspector general’s finding. 

To that end, it is safe to assume that more than three dozen individuals did indeed tell Grusch of a decades-long UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering program, and that those with “first-hand knowledge” provided corroborating information to the intelligence community inspector general. 

A monumental UFO scandal is looming | The Hill 

 

David Grusch was not the only person who was aware of UFO retrievals and remember, someone had made Senator Barry Goldwater aware of UFO retrievals as well.

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[Hazzard]

12 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

 

Scientific standards have been used to prove that an extraterrestrial presence here on earth is a fact. Seems you missed reports where scientist reported tracking flying saucers. 

Link please. 

[skyeagle409]

5 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Link please. 

Okay, we can start here.

HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER

How Scientists Tracked A Flying Saucer - TRUE, 1950 (nicap.org)

 

At what altitude are the objects hovering?

 

 

Who was the person tracking flying saucers?

 

Now, let's go here.

 

Project Magnet was an unidentified flying object (UFO) study programme established by Transport Canada in December 1950 under the direction of Wilbert Brockhouse Smith, senior radio engineer for Transport Canada's Broadcast and Measurements Section. In April 1952 the Canadian government established Project Second Storey, a parallel UFO research project, with Smith also involved. It consisted of a group of scientists and military officers who met periodically to consider the UFO question and to recommend government action. Smith reported to Second Storey on some of Project Magnet's findings and conclusions. 

 

[Hazzard]

2 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

Okay, we can start here.

HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER

How Scientists Tracked A Flying Saucer - TRUE, 1950 (nicap.org)

 

Who was the person tracking flying saucers?

 

All I see is some guy that sent the good Dr a letter telling him what he thinks he saw. Not exactly living up to the hype  But there you go again with the deliberate misenterpretation... 

 

Thats your thing, when the chips are all on the plate and your argument fails...you dodge and gives us the old circular run-around nonsense...

* Posts the 60 year old nonsense and wacky radar numbers.

*Claims that NASA, NORAD, USAF, all know about these visitors. 

* Ask.. "was the craft ours or those of ETs." 

* Claims..There is more to that story.

* Do the inside play.. In the public eye the military says unknown, but when their doors are closed they say ET 

* Re-defines words like Scientific, Irrefutable, Physical, Evidence, etc.

* Posts a long list of scientists, military personel, CIA, FBI, Doctors, Astronomers, Astronauts, that, like him, all believe that some UFOs might be ET crafts. (They dont have any proof either, they are only stating their opinion.)

 

Annoying to most people here Im sure... but me, after all these years I just find it a little sad. 

Imagine all the time you spent here trying to convince evryone of your belief... and still nothing that people (without those funny shiny hats) would even consider calling good evidence.

 

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[skyeagle409]

7 hours ago, Hazzard said:

All I see is some guy that sent the good Dr a letter telling him what he thinks he saw. Not exactly living up to the hype  But there you go again with the deliberate misenterpretation... 

 

Thats your thing, when the chips are all on the plate and your argument fails...you dodge and gives us the old circular run-around nonsense...

* Posts the 60 year old nonsense and wacky radar numbers.

*Claims that NASA, NORAD, USAF, all know about these visitors. 

* Ask.. "was the craft ours or those of ETs." 

* Claims..There is more to that story.

* Do the inside play.. In the public eye the military says unknown, but when their doors are closed they say ET 

* Re-defines words like Scientific, Irrefutable, Physical, Evidence, etc.

* Posts a long list of scientists, military personel, CIA, FBI, Doctors, Astronomers, Astronauts, that, like him, all believe that some UFOs might be ET crafts. (They dont have any proof either, they are only stating their opinion.)

 

Annoying to most people here Im sure... but me, after all these years I just find it a little sad. 

Imagine all the time you spent here trying to convince evryone of your belief... and still nothing that people (without those funny shiny hats) would even consider calling good evidence.

 

 

Let us remember that you asked me to post a link about scientist, so I honored your request and what they report tracking? Flying saucers.  It's all there in their reports. I might add that radar data is evidence that can prove whether or not an object is an extraterrestrial craft or a conventional aircraft, if you want to add scientific and irrefutable evidence. 

As far as astronauts, how about Astronaut Ed Mitchell? Or Astronaut Joe Walker who took pictures of a UFO in space.  I am surprised that you added the CIA considering that it was the CIA that released sensitive documentation confirming the 1976 Iranian UFO incident. Let's take a look at what was revealed by the CIA after it lost a lawsuit to Ground Saucer Watch (GSW) a large group that consist of scientist and engineers, and you will notice that the Department of Defense and intelligence agencies are listed as well as the White House. Review the link I posted.

 

C.I.A. PAPERS DETAIL U.F.O. SURVEILLANCE

“After reviewing the documents, Ground Saucer Watch believes that U.F.O.'s do exist, they are real, the U.S. Government has been totally untruthful and the cover‐up is massive,” William Spaulding, head of the group, said a C.I.A. memo of Aug. 1, 1952, recommends continued agency surveillance of “flying saucers,” saying, “It is strongly urged, however, that no indication of C.I.A. interest or concern reach the press or public, in view of their probably alarmist tendencies to accept such interest as ‘confirmatory’ of the soundness of ‘unpublished facts’ in the hands of the U.S. Government,” the document said.

Among the documents are several detailed reports of Air Force attempts to either intercept or destroy U.F.O.'s. In a 1976 incident in Iran, one report says, two F‐4 Phantom jet fighter-bombers pursued a large U.F.O. that, seemed to send out smaller craft. One of the smaller craft “headed straight toward the F‐4 at a very fast rate of speed, "the report said. “The pilot attempted to fire an AIM‐9 missile at the object but at that instant his weapons control panel went off and he lost all communications.” The pilot eluded the craft, then watched as “returned to the primary object for a perfect rejoin,” the report continued.

Special to The New York Times

The C.I.A. has repeatedly said that investigated and closed its books on U.F.O.'s during 1952, according to Ground Saucer Watch, a nation‐wide research organization of about 500 scientists, engineers and others who seek to scientifically prove or disprove the existence of U.F.O.'s, but 1,000 pages of documents obtained under a freedom of information suit, show “the Government has been lying to us all these years,” it said.

“After reviewing the documents, Ground Saucer Watch believes that U.F.O.'s do exist, they are real, the U.S. Government has been totally untruthful, and the cover‐up is massive,” William Spaulding, head of the group, said.

https://www.nytimes.com/1979/01/14/archives/cia-papers-detail-ufo-surveillance-agencys-secret-studies-convince.html

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88-01315R000300070007-8.pdf

 

The Link 

joint_chiefs_staff_report.pdf (nsa.gov)

 

Jim Semivan

He added “… nothing is even close to this … I was privy to some of this stuff and I can tell ya there’s absolutely no way on God’s green earth that these things are terrestrial or belong to a government.

 

UFOs buzzing US warships may be aliens: Top spy chief

UFO’s buzzing warships and being reported by US pilots could be of alien origin, America’s top spy chief has said in a stunning admission. Avril Haines, the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), who oversees all 16 US spy agencies including the FBI and CIA, was speaking at the Our Future in Space event at the Washington National Cathedral.

 

Chad Underwood Interview

… there’s two types of sensors that we record on the aircraft, active sensors and passive sensors. The FLIR is a passive sensor, the radar however, is what we call an active sensor. So it’s shooting emissions out and receiving data in and an active sensor can be exploited by our enemies if they can see the data that’s on that screen.  Cdr. Underwood said there were two 8mm tapes that recorded data. One tape for each side of his jet display, the radar and FLIR.  Once you acquire your target, from your radar, every other sensor that I have on board my aircraft is a slave to that target. So my FLIR, my electronic warfare systems, and it’s going to lock onto that target, and it’s going to look at that target and focus on that target. That’s what it’s designed to do. 

That darting off to the left, because, you know, as I’m tracking it, you know, from my radar to my FLIR, I see that kind of stuff daily. However, my radar and FLIR should be able to account for that kind of discrepancy. And so once it shot off to the left, immediately aggressively maneuver my fire to the left to try to require and it moved with a velocity that I’ve not seen, I should be able to reacquire that aircraft, or whatever it was. I mean, this thing shot off at beyond hypersonic speed. If you can’t bank the aircraft, and then re acquire it, something, it shot off. 

CHAD UNDERWOOD 

“We had the tapes … we had the radar tape and the FLIR tape — the FLIR tape is what you guys have seen, but it’s been degraded so many times because it’s been copied.”

JEREMY CORBELL
But you’re saying you got radar footage or footage of the radar as well during the Tic Tac UFO event?

CHAD UNDERWOOD 
I did. Yeah. 

 

 

 

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[skyeagle409]

8 hours ago, Hazzard said:

All I see is some guy that sent the good Dr a letter telling him what he thinks he saw. Not exactly living up to the hype  But there you go again with the deliberate misenterpretation... 

 

Thats your thing, when the chips are all on the plate and your argument fails...you dodge and gives us the old circular run-around nonsense...

*Claims that NASA, NORAD, USAF, all know about these visitors. 

* Ask.. "was the craft ours or those of ETs." 

I had to break your post in order to add additional information. First, let's take a look at NASA.

1960 Brookings Report to NASA

SPACE-LIFE REPORT COULD BE SHOCK,

UFOI, Vol. I, No. II (Dec 1960 - Jan 1961 issue)

The discovery of intelligent space beings could have a severe effect on the public, according to a research report released by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The report warned that America should prepare to meet the psychological impact of such a revelation. The 190-page report was the result of a $96,000 one-year study conducted by the Brookings Institution for NASA's long-range study committee. Public realization that intelligent beings live on other planets could bring about profound changes, or even the collapse of our civilization, the research report stated.

Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs, often referred to as "the Brookings Report", was a 1960 report commissioned by NASA and created by the Brookings Institution in collaboration with NASA's Committee on Long-Range Studies. It was submitted to the House Committee on Science and Astronautics of the United States House of Representatives in the 87th United States Congress on April 18, 1961

http://www.nicap.org/waves/1960BrookingsNYT1215.htm

http://www.nicap.org/waves/1960BrookingsNYT1215.htm

Now, take a look at NORAD.

Fast Walker UFO

MAY 5, 1984, an alert was triggered at the North America Air Defense Command. Moving at 22,000 miles per hour, it was heading toward Earth and had been determined to NOT be incoming ballistic missiles, or any other type of conventionally explainable object. Once tracked, it was code-named "Fast Walker". This object was first spotted by the ultra-sensitive orbiting USDSP satellites our county uses for detailed surveillance and air defense. These satellites have the infra-red capability to spot small heat sources on the surface of the earth and are time-proven as effective monitoring devices.

At 1400 hours zulu time, an object was spotted by a USDSP satellite and tracked as it sped first directly toward the Earth and passed if front and within 15 miles of the USDSP satellite. It suddenly and without impact or contact with other devices or obstructions curved outward, away from the Earth. It was tracked for another 9 minutes until it then disappeared. What the data resolved was that it was a hot, fast, solid object that swept in from outer space. This information would probably have been totally kept from public view, but it was leaked.

The statement was "Where it appeared in the (satellite's) sensor field would indicate that the object came into the sensor field from outer-space, went in front of the sensor, and left, departing back into deep space. It would indicate that it was some type of craft that had the ability to maneuver. And there you have hard evidence. You have telemetry from that satellite, you have information, you have systems, you have data that you can go back and investigate and check and verify. In the past, usually UFO events are of just eye-witness testimony... There you have a very sensitive defense system that sent you information to the ground. I don't even know if you can solve it... maybe it's one of those enigmas that's just gonna be with us forever. What type of craft would have that ability? Some people might say, 'A UFO'."

"Fast Walker" is a term NORAD (North American Air Defense Command) invented to categorize objects that approach from space, enter our atmosphere, maneuver strangely about, and then leave the atmosphere again. "The Air Force NORAD facility, it has been convincingly reported, observes these "Fast Walkers" from its subterranean facility deep inside Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, and tracks a rough average of 500 of them (UFOs for the uninitiated) each YEAR as they enter the Earth's atmosphere from deep space, maneuver around, and then leave again.

This is not a fiction. It corroborates a similar report from AeroJet General engineers Lee Graham and Ron Regehr, who have revealed to the well-respected UFO researcher Don Ecker documents indicating that Aerojet's DSP satellite system, alone, routinely detects UFOs flying into Earth's atmosphere from deep space up to two to three times per month."

 

Now, the USAF

INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II

CHAPTER XXXIII

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS

DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF

UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY

About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude. The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time. It was definitely saucer-shaped."

" As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away. When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer. He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance."

The Muroc AFB Case

Muroc Case Report (nicap.org)

Ex-Air Force Personnel: UFOs Deactivated Nukes 
 
September 27, 2010, CBS News 
 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-...tivated-nukes/[/b] 

 
 Ex-Air Force officers call UFOs and nukes a real 'security concern' 
 
September 27, 2010, USA Today 
 
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.WkcrK_kwi9I 
 
 UFOs eyed nukes, ex-Air Force personnel say 
 
September 27, 2010, CNN Blog 
 
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/27...personnel-say/ 
   
Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers 
 
September 23, 2010, Fox News 
 
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2010/09/...-officers.html 

Edited August 8, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Hazzard]

So, still not answering any speciffic questions, just the usual spamming in response... ok.

Where are those "clear photos of and alien spaceship" that you claimed you had in possession?

Edited August 8, 2023 by Hazzard

[Essan]

One of the strangest things about alien visitations is that even to this very day, they never ever show themselves to anyone with a decent camera.   Hence (aside from hoaxes) the only photos taken of alien aircraft/spacecraft are indeterminate blobs or lights.  

Given how easy it is to very clearly photograph a jet airliner flying at 20,000 feet, a supersonic jet fighter and even the ISS, the simple fact that no-one has ever taken a similar clear photo of an alien craft (which seem to be quite common, especially across the skies of the USA - according to reports, anyway) is most intriguing  

 

[Trelane]

I'm sure people believe there are unexplained aerial phenomenon. 

I just don't think that number is the same as people who believe in extraterrestrial visitation.

[Golden Duck]

[Saru]

@skyeagle409 - repeatedly reproducing huge reams of quotes and links won't help your case - please keep your replies concise and to the point.

[skyeagle409]

13 hours ago, Hazzard said:

So, still not answering any speciffic questions, just the usual spamming in response... ok.

Where are those "clear photos of and alien spaceship" that you claimed you had in possession?

 

Where they keep other classified items. However, we do have verifiable data and documentation that proves the objects are not man-made.

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

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More Americans than ever now believe in UFOs, polls suggest

Slow little by little exposure through movies especially, so if disclosure happens, people are conditioned or trained already on what to believe 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

21 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Slow little by little exposure through movies especially, so if disclosure happens, people are conditioned or trained already on what to believe 

Yes, it is conceivable that the revealing is just softening us up for a more full disclosure.

What I have never been able to figure, is what the motive would be for the government to be propagandizing us - aka lying. 

And I should add that I know that UFO's exist, so that much of what the Pentagon says is true.