William Shatner calls recent UFO revelations 'ridiculous'

[astrobeing]

On 8/6/2023 at 3:17 AM, Roshman said:

Why do these UFOs keep crashing? Boeing has a better 'record.'

And every time a plane crashes it leaves literal tons of physical evidence. These darn flying saucers just go poof into the ether!

[+Desertrat56]

4 minutes ago, astrobeing said:

And every time a plane crashes it leaves literal tons of physical evidence. These darn flying saucers just go poof into the ether!

No they don't, the military shows up almost immediately and takes everything.   Which is why I think they are not aliens from outer space craft crashing, but military test vehicles.

[astrobeing]

Just now, Desertrat56 said:

No they don't, the military shows up almost immediately and takes everything.   Which is why I think they are not aliens from outer space craft crashing, but military test vehicles.

Do they also replace the broken trees, replant all of the damaged plants and foliage, fill in the impact hole, and replace the tons of dirt that is covered in chemicals and metal fragments?

[+Desertrat56]

7 minutes ago, astrobeing said:

Do they also replace the broken trees, replant all of the damaged plants and foliage, fill in the impact hole, and replace the tons of dirt that is covered in chemicals and metal fragments?

Probably if that is part of the crash site evidence.   In new mexico the sites were cordoned off and the ranchers who owned the property were not allowed access until everything was cleaned up.   I don't know about any other places.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Desertrat56

[astrobeing]

58 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Probably if that is part of the crash site evidence.   In new mexico the sites were cordoned off and the ranchers who owned the property were not allowed access until everything was cleaned up.   I don't know about any other places.

There's a huge difference between "cleaned up" and "every microscopic trace of the event being removed". The second is virtually impossible.

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, astrobeing said:

And every time a plane crashes it leaves literal tons of physical evidence. These darn flying saucers just go poof into the ether!

Even a commercial aircraft crash site gets a very thorough examination.  Pieces of the aircraft are not left, but hauled off to a hanger somewhere and reassembled to find possible crash  causes.  Even small pieces are hauled away for whatever clues they hold.

Once the pieces are removed, there may still be indications in the landscape where the crash occurred, holes, broken plants, and furrows.  But generally, jet fuel or hydraulic contamination is subject to remediation.  What farmer or rancher wants his livestock or crops exposed to 500 gallons of jet fuel?

If the crash is military, holes, and furrows that might reveal weight, size, or speed could be removed.  Metallurgical and chemical contamination will be removed where possible.  Whether the craft originated in a secret government program or outside the earth,   every nation will want to keep their knowledge advantage.  Cleaning up a crash site will happen no matter where the craft originates.  And you are right there will always be some traces.  

The question is whether those microscopic traces are definitive enough to reveal origination.   My guess is probably not.  You may have another thought.

 

 

 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 8/7/2023 at 11:49 AM, OverSword said:

You are right of course, possibly we will discover some technology that will make faster than light travel a reality.  But until that happens it must be considered fantasy for the purpose of the argument of whether or not we are being visited by ET I think.

Hi, OS. How helpful do you really think it would be to go twice the speed of light? It would still take you 50,000 years to cross the Milky Way. 

We need to find the short cut, is what we need 

Edited August 12, 2023 by Earl.Of.Trumps

[+OverSword]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Hi, OS. How helpful do you really think it would be to go twice the speed of light? It would still take you 50,000 years to cross the Milky Way. 

We need to find the short cut, is what we need 

Twice the speed of light theoretically would be th same as a thousand times the speed of light tAs far as time is concerned, no?

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

19 hours ago, OverSword said:

Twice the speed of light theoretically would be th same as a thousand times the speed of light tAs far as time is concerned, no?

It's a theoretical problem so who can say, really. 

But I assume that at twice the speed of light, you could go twice as far as light in the same amount of time.

C = 300 million m/s ;  2C = 600 million m/s 

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

It's a theoretical problem so who can say, really. 

But I assume that at twice the speed of light, you could go twice as far as light in the same amount of time.

C = 300 million m/s ;  2C = 600 million m/s 

But in theory if you actually travel at the speed of light from your perspective no time would pass and you would seem to appear instantly at your destination. So if you travel twice the speed of light what would happen? But of course the theory is that nothing with mass can even achieve light speed according to current understanding of physics. 

Edited August 13, 2023 by OverSword

[astrobeing]

On 8/11/2023 at 12:35 PM, Tatetopa said:

Even a commercial aircraft crash site gets a very thorough examination.  Pieces of the aircraft are not left, but hauled off to a hanger somewhere and reassembled to find possible crash  causes.  Even small pieces are hauled away for whatever clues they hold.

Only the parts they find. In 1978 a DC-8 ran out of fuel and crashed into my city leaving a half mile line of destruction as it smashed through trees. People building a house near the crash site twenty two years later dug up fragments of the aircraft. It's impossible to remove everything.

[quiXilver]

The 'ner' should be dropped from his last name.

This would more accurately reflect the character of that unfortunate little man.

 

[Rolci]

On 8/6/2023 at 10:17 PM, Golden Duck said:

Or... , and hear me out, maybe Shatner is aware the Prime Directive is a Rodenberry created allegory.

So you're saying Roddenberry (as a representative of our species and our current level of intelligence) could figure out it would be a good idea, but a highly intelligent species could not do the same in millions of years. Yeah, makes sense.

[Golden Duck]

59 minutes ago, Rolci said:

So you're saying Roddenberry (as a representative of our species and our current level of intelligence) could figure out it would be a good idea, but a highly intelligent species could not do the same in millions of years. Yeah, makes sense.

No, that is not a reasonable interpretation of what I said.  The big clue is the word "allegory".

Edited November 1, 2023 by Golden Duck