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Ryan Graves: subcommittee revelations were just 'tip of the iceberg'


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4 hours ago, Trelane said:

Tip of the anecdotes and stories iceberg.:tu:

Nah. The former Navy pilot is likely right, IMO. Even the ultra no-nonsense Pentagon says that there are clearly some UAS events which are currently unexplainable as to how they could possibly maneuver as sighted, radar tracked, and in some cases even filmed.

I'm old enough to where one might well be laughed at and derided for openly considering "planets outside our own Solar system", "Black holes", "Higgs boson", etc etc to be real.

Those same "naysayers" even often said that research into those issues were a waste of time, money and sanity.

Obviously the naysayers were wrong about those topics.

To firmly think that humans are completely alone in this nearly unimaginably vast Universe are the same people who say that research into it a waste.

They say, "Where's the Proof?" and yet refuse the very idea of investigation to establish proof one way or another!

They set their own Catch-22.

 

 

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'tip of the iceberg' - sounds about right.

If you heed that government report where all military UFO incidents were to be declassified, you would think that all military UFO sightings occurred on or after 2004.

Meanwhile President Trump, while in office, declared that the Roswell incident was classified. 

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1 hour ago, pallidin said:

They say, "Where's the Proof?" and yet refuse the very idea of investigation to establish proof one way or another!


Of course, Pallidin, and that was the practice in this UFO/Alien forum for years. We had regular posters in here that would never give consideration
to any UFO sighting, by *anyone*. But since the government started its reveal program, many have moved out of here, and others do now recognize UAP's as real. 

It's much cozier now :)

 

 

 

 

 

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I never said that there isn't something unexplained. I simply have stated and stand by that these items are not extraterrestrial craft.

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Wake me when they actually show something solid and not more stories and promises of 'disclosure'.

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1 hour ago, Trelane said:

I never said that there isn't something unexplained. I simply have stated and stand by that these items are not extraterrestrial craft.

Isn't calling something unexplained and then claiming to know what it Isn't for no particular reason getting a little redundant to you yet?

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3 hours ago, pallidin said:

They say, "Where's the Proof?" and yet refuse the very idea of investigation to establish proof one way or another!

…do you want to run for President of the United States?

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2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:


Of course, Pallidin, and that was the practice in this UFO/Alien forum for years. We had regular posters in here that would never give consideration
to any UFO sighting, by *anyone*. But since the government started its reveal program, many have moved out of here, and others do now recognize UAP's as real. 

It's much cozier now :)

Don’t worry, we’re still around.

It’s just not worth responding when the believers post the same crap on every thread with nothing new.

The ‘smoking gun’ UFO videos were a complete flop. (Gimbal / gofast / flir)

And this new stuff is too. Unless people actually have something tangible to add.

Otherwise it’s just more people claiming stuff, which probably has worldly mundane explanations.

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47 minutes ago, Nicolette said:

Isn't calling something unexplained and then claiming to know what it Isn't for no particular reason getting a little redundant to you yet?

No, it isn't.

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11 hours ago, UM-Bot said:

The former Navy pilot had spoken out about his own experiences during the recent subcommittee hearing on UFOs.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/369275/ryan-graves-subcommittee-revelations-are-tip-of-the-iceberg

There are many pilots who have had similar UFO encounters for decades, UFO encounters that are backed by radar and other sensor data as well as eyewitness accounts.

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2 hours ago, Trelane said:

I never said that there isn't something unexplained. I simply have stated and stand by that these items are not extraterrestrial craft.

Verifiable technical and other documentation, radar, additional data evidence and credible eyewitness accounts do not agree with you.

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1 hour ago, Timothy said:

It’s just not worth responding when the believers post the same crap on every thread with nothing new.

Excuse me, Timothy? I think you have that backwards. We who believe that UFO's exist, will discuss the possibilities of the sighting in the new thread.
It's the forever-non-believers that keep saying "Nyet" to every incident that is posted. same baloney no matter what.

You should have been around when it was told that in that 1952 UFO flap in Washington DC, there were three sources of radar that picked up the objects in the sky.
There were two Air Force bases and Washington National airport. The Air Force claimed that the radars were tested and were in good working order.

That information was rejected by the skeptics. Imagine that. 

Have a nice day. 

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23 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Excuse me, Timothy? I think you have that backwards. We who believe that UFO's exist, will discuss the possibilities of the sighting in the new thread.
It's the forever-non-believers that keep saying "Nyet" to every incident that is posted. same baloney no matter what.

You should have been around when it was told that in that 1952 UFO flap in Washington DC, there were three sources of radar that picked up the objects in the sky.
There were two Air Force bases and Washington National airport. The Air Force claimed that the radars were tested and were in good working order.

That information was rejected by the skeptics. Imagine that. 

Have a nice day. 

True, but you don’t know how liberating it is to be intellectually unaccountable: the entire world can actually be a train set in your basement (computer)!

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1 hour ago, Cho Jinn said:

True, but you don’t know how liberating it is to be intellectually unaccountable: the entire world can actually be a train set in your basement (computer)!

More so to have a reasonable thought process.

Edit: I’ve said this before and i seemingly need to say it again:

I used to be much more open but the believers arguments with lack of evidence have made me the skeptic I am today.

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2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Excuse me, Timothy? I think you have that backwards. We who believe that UFO's exist, will discuss the possibilities of the sighting in the new thread.
It's the forever-non-believers that keep saying "Nyet" to every incident that is posted. same baloney no matter what.

You should have been around when it was told that in that 1952 UFO flap in Washington DC, there were three sources of radar that picked up the objects in the sky.
There were two Air Force bases and Washington National airport. The Air Force claimed that the radars were tested and were in good working order.

That information was rejected by the skeptics. Imagine that. 

Have a nice day. 

Imagine the best evidence not being enough to prove something…

For decades…

Repeating… 

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3 hours ago, Timothy said:

More so to have a reasonable thought process.

Edit: I’ve said this before and i seemingly need to say it again:

I used to be much more open but the believers arguments with lack of evidence have made me the skeptic I am today.

I believe in what i have seen, and you believe in what you have assumed and expect somebody to talk you out of. This obsession with expecting others to provide evidence to convince you of something and then denying it when officials start presenting it is egotistical and hilarious.

Why do all these weirdos think that we are here talking about things just because we care about changing thier imperceptive minds?

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3 hours ago, Timothy said:

Imagine the best evidence not being enough to prove something…

For decades…

Repeating… 

Says a lot about you. I'll bet it was longer, most likely in a past life you were there to heckle galileo too.

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5 hours ago, Timothy said:

Imagine the best evidence not being enough to prove something…

For decades…

Repeating… 

 

Tell that to Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna and see what she thinks. "While Rep. Luna says she hasn’t seen a UAP herself, she has laid eyes on other evidence ripped straight from a science fiction movie." She also said that "based on the evidence that she had personally seen, "the technology that exists is something that I don't think any government has currently."  That can help explain why Rep. Tim Burchett issued a shocking warning to mankind after reviewing a classified UFO video. He expressed apprehensions that humans may not be able to handle the technology possessed by extraterrestrial life. 

More people are coming out of the woodwork and revealing what they know about UFOs.

 

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5 hours ago, Nicolette said:

I believe in what i have seen, and you believe in what you have assumed and expect somebody to talk you out of. This obsession with expecting others to provide evidence to convince you of something and then denying it when officials start presenting it is egotistical and hilarious.

Why do all these weirdos think that we are here talking about things just because we care about changing thier imperceptive minds?

What officials have presented definitive proof of extraterrestrial crat or visitation? Not talking about some anecdotes from a radar return from 0 years ago that has been explained. I mean a high ranking official holding  a press conference to make an announcement and present their information. I must have missed that part.

The hearings the other week are not evidence. Their testimonies were retellings of stories they have already made public in various platforms. The only exception being Grusch, whose story has been altered from his initial complaint and statement to the DoD Whistleblower branch. Stories are not evidence.

I'm not here to change you or any other person's delusions of aliens. I'm sure you believe what you have seen and I don't recall a post where I tried to change your mind.  I simply post to present a contrasting opinion and counterpoint. Not sorry.

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There are indeed, many, many stories out there, just like this one from an Air Force pilot,  in1980 over in Europe:

 

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1 hour ago, Phantom309 said:

There are indeed, many, many stories out there, just like this one from an Air Force pilot,  in1980 over in Europe:

 

 

Thanks for posting. There are many similar UFO accounts from nations around the world. We are not alone.

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21 hours ago, Timothy said:

Imagine the best evidence not being enough to prove something…

For decades…

Repeating… 

Timothy, no amount of good witnesses can sway you, no photo can make you think about it, and radar is always malfunctioning right?

you put yourself into a cozy little corner where it is impossible to demonstrate that UFO's exist. And you know I do not think that way,

So why do you continue to communicate with me in here? You know you have no chance of changing how I look at it.

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