Ryan Graves: subcommittee revelations were just 'tip of the iceberg'

[Phantom309]

18 hours ago, Nicolette said:

I believe in what i have seen, and you believe in what you have assumed and expect somebody to talk you out of. This obsession with expecting others to provide evidence to convince you of something and then denying it when officials start presenting it is egotistical and hilarious.

Why do all these weirdos think that we are here talking about things just because we care about changing thier imperceptive minds?

Well spoken Nicolete. Best tactic that I have found though is to simply toss them into "ignore" status, that way you never have to hear/see them again. Heck, I bet I have 7-8 of these clowns in there. They lost, but they can't accept it.

[skyeagle409]

4 hours ago, Phantom309 said:

Well spoken Nicolete. Best tactic that I have found though is to simply toss them into "ignore" status, that way you never have to hear/see them again. Heck, I bet I have 7-8 of these clowns in there. They lost, but they can't accept it.

I look forward to the day when additional military personnel, intelligence officials, commercial pilots and radar operators come forward on what they know about UFOs. Ryan Graves is correct when he said that revelations were just 'tip of the iceberg.' I would like to see FAA and military radar operators reveal what they know about UFOs as well.

Speaking of radar operators, that brings up the case of JAL 1628 where FAA and military radars tracked a very large UFO that was trailing JAL 1628. The radar tapes were later analyzed which confirmed that the UFO trailing JAL 1628 was in fact, extremely large.

 

 

[Trelane]

I look forward to these alleged revelations to be made under testimony so they can be properly examined. I only hope the Senate panel doesn't pussyfoot around with the line of questioning. The hearings two weeks ago were a joke because we are no further in understanding what they allege. It was just more stories and softball questions that they have already discussed in other platforms.

I still am curious why the ETH believer crowd dismiss, deny or ignore explanations that are more terrestrial in nature, when there have been numerous experts to indicate that most if not all can be properly identified and explained. What gives? Why are you guys deniers? 

[DyktaT]

Personally, I am surprised how mass media in my country (Poland) avoid this topic. For many years, UFO or UAP was criticized. Now we have one of the most important moments in history and just a few media companies are talking about that.

The problem is that senate and this comission is made by republicans, maybe for political reasons not for people.

[pallidin]

On 8/8/2023 at 4:56 PM, Timothy said:

Don’t worry, we’re still around.

It’s just not worth responding when the believers post the same crap on every thread with nothing new.

The ‘smoking gun’ UFO videos were a complete flop. (Gimbal / gofast / flir)

And this new stuff is too. Unless people actually have something tangible to add.

Otherwise it’s just more people claiming stuff, which probably has worldly mundane explanations.

So... you're OK with a full-blown Congressional inquiry and any access to secret information (if there is) on the subject???

Or not??? A waste of time and money?

And as far as "The ‘smoking gun’ UFO videos were a complete flop. (Gimbal / gofast / flir)", from where or whom do you base that on? Did the Pentagon say that?

The Pentagon is rightfully concerned about those objects being from a hostile country(s), not an ET-connection, but if there is an ET-connection I doubt the Pentagon will disclose that anytime soon.

Feel free to name your sources, because my sources (Pilot, Pentagon) portend "undetermined", and warranting further investigation... not "a complete flop"

And, they were never described as a "smoking gun" from any official Pentagon statement. Rather, some overzealous people (like news reporters) in the public arena described it that way.

 

[skyeagle409]

44 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Feel free to name your sources, because my sources (Pilot, Pentagon) portend "undetermined", and warranting further investigation... not "a complete flop"

And, they were never described as a "smoking gun" from any official Pentagon statement. Rather, some overzealous people (like news reporters) in the public arena described it that way.

 

The Pentagon and the Air Force recently blocked members of Congress during what they thought, would be UFO a briefing. Now, why would the Pentagon and Air Force do such a thing? After they relented to a certain extent, two of the members understood why those objects could not have been man-made.  In the case of the  three videos, prove the objects in those videos were man-made, otherwise, ET will take yet another victory lap.

Edited August 10 by skyeagle409

[skyeagle409]

9 hours ago, Trelane said:

I look forward to these alleged revelations to be made under testimony so they can be properly examined.

They already have. According to reports, BMD radar detected some of the objects in low earth orbit before they descended to 80,000 feet.

[pallidin]

For myself, I can easily consider that our Universe has much life beyond just on our own planet... many basic forms, some advanced, and likely some far, far more advanced than us.

I have no problem with that at all, and in fact given the 200 billion (by one estimate on Wiki) galaxies out there, for there to be zero life besides our own here on Earth just seems extraordinarily improbable. And in my opinion down-right impossible.

Of course, whether we have been "visited" is a different focus entirely, as the distances out-there are so very great would require great technology or multi-generational travel I suppose.

But as far as ET-aliens being on other planets far away, I personally have no doubt even though I have no proof.

Some say there IS tangible proof, if only certain governments (including the U.S.) would open up their closed doors. It appears "whistleblowers" claim this is the case, but obviously that simply is not enough... though a step in the right direction I feel.

In the meantime we have suggestions that some of the sighting/tracking reports might be highly advanced, earth-based super hush-hush drones being tested or in action by ourselves and/or others for intelligence gathering or future sudden military strikes.

Could be! Why not?! I have a great DJI drone for example (consumer drone) that can do all sorts of crazy stuff because of itself out-of-the-box and because I added things to it (all for fun and curiosity and all legal)

So yeah, maybe drones could explain some of the reports/tracking, but certainly NOT ALL in my opinion- based on released object data indicating extraordinary maneuvers, sudden start/stop, sudden sharp vector turns, etc, etc...

Sorry for the long post. Great topic.

 

 

[skyeagle409]

3 hours ago, pallidin said:

For myself, I can easily consider that our Universe has much life beyond just on our own planet... many basic forms, some advanced, and likely some far, far more advanced than us.

I have no problem with that at all, and in fact given the 200 billion (by one estimate on Wiki) galaxies out there, for there to be zero life besides our own here on Earth just seems extraordinarily improbable. And in my opinion down-right impossible.

Of course, whether we have been "visited" is a different focus entirely, as the distances out-there are so very great would require great technology or multi-generational travel I suppose.

But as far as ET-aliens being on other planets far away, I personally have no doubt even though I have no proof.

Some say there IS tangible proof, if only certain governments (including the U.S.) would open up their closed doors. It appears "whistleblowers" claim this is the case, but obviously that simply is not enough... though a step in the right direction I feel.

In the meantime we have suggestions that some of the sighting/tracking reports might be highly advanced, earth-based super hush-hush drones being tested or in action by ourselves and/or others for intelligence gathering or future sudden military strikes.

Could be! Why not?! I have a great DJI drone for example (consumer drone) that can do all sorts of crazy stuff because of itself out-of-the-box and because I added things to it (all for fun and curiosity and all legal)

So yeah, maybe drones could explain some of the reports/tracking, but certainly NOT ALL in my opinion- based on released object data indicating extraordinary maneuvers, sudden start/stop, sudden sharp vector turns, etc, etc...

Sorry for the long post. Great topic.

 

 

What David Grusch is saying is well-known. In fact, General Arthur E. Exon, former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB, OH, had stated during an interview that extraterrestrial retrievals were conducted and sent to his base. He was also the Air Force officer who overflew the Roswell crash sites. Drones are not involved because the demonstrated advanced technology and performance capabilities exclude anything made by humans and there are places where we conduct such operations, and we don't do it by creating safe-of-flight issues with military and commercial aircraft.

We still use chemical rockets to access space, and still working on the problem of sonic booms. Apparently, UFOs are known to exceed the speed-of-sound without creating sonic booms and revealed by governments around the world. To further add, the FAA still restricts supersonic flights over the United States because we are still working on the problem of sonic booms and why we still have FAA regulation "14 CFR § 91.817 - Civil aircraft sonic boom" active to this very day, and yet, in 1952, a UFO was tracked over Washinton D. C. as it maneuvered at 7200 mph and no sonic boom was ever heard. One pilot in the sky that night had commented about the fantastic exit speed of the UFO, a visual confirmation that corroborated the fantastic speed of the UFO that was tracked on ground-based radar screens.

Others with firsthand knowledge have confirmed Grusch's as accurate as well. For an example, Jonathan Grey, generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance has stated that non-human intelligence phenomenon is real and that "we are not alone,” He also said that "retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States.  Christopher Mellon, who spent nearly twenty years in the U.S. Intelligence Community and served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena has said that a number of well-placed current and former officials have shared detailed information with him as well. Now, we find that many others have already confirmed that David Grusch's claim is accurate. Senator Barry Goldwater was made aware of extraterrestrial retrievals and requested access to a particular building at Wright-Patterson AFB but was denied access by an angry General Curtiss E. LeMay.

What is happening now is that the floodgates are opening on UFO retrievals, and Ryan Graves in right on the money sightings are just a tip of the iceberg and I think that those Navy videos had a lot to do with UFOs going mainstream.

Edited August 11 by skyeagle409

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 8/10/2023 at 7:18 AM, Trelane said:

I still am curious why the ETH believer crowd dismiss, deny or ignore explanations that are more terrestrial in nature, when there have been numerous experts to indicate that most if not all can be properly identified and explained. What gives? Why are you guys deniers? 

This is really very simple, Trelane. 

I don't come into the UFO/Alien forum to discuss weather balloons or anything else that can be "properly identified and explained". 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

19 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

Senator Barry Goldwater was made aware of extraterrestrial retrievals and requested access to a particular building at Wright-Patterson AFB but was denied access by an angry General Curtiss E. LeMay.

General Curtiss LeMay, ahhh, yes. 

President Truman called General LeMay to find out what was going on in his hangar at Wright-Patterson. LeMay's response - "Sir, you do not have clearance"

I had trouble with that. 

[Phantom309]

On 8/11/2023 at 9:05 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

This is really very simple, Trelane. 

I don't come into the UFO/Alien forum to discuss weather balloons or anything else that can be "properly identified and explained". 

Well said Earl - nice and succient. We could care less about the 90% or so of sightings that are hoaxes, balloons, planets, crazed birds, or swamp gas. It's the final 10% that is of true interest. 

 

[Phantom309]

The evidence is out there - but locked up damn tight:

 

 

[Trelane]

4 hours ago, Phantom309 said:

Well said Earl - nice and succient. We could care less about the 90% or so of sightings that are hoaxes, balloons, planets, crazed birds, or swamp gas. It's the final 10% that is of true interest. 

 

Yes, the 10% that there isn't enough evidence to conclude anything. Anything to include extraterrestrial visitation.

[esoteric_toad]

Full disclosure any day now.....just you wait....any day now. Really, I swear....

 

[Dejarma]

5 hours ago, Phantom309 said:

We could care less about the 90%

couldn't

[Phantom309]

Some good commentary from Rep. Andre Carson. So just how would they break news of this magnitude? Sounds like it's an on going debate:

 

 

[esoteric_toad]

40 minutes ago, Phantom309 said:

Some good commentary from Rep. Andre Carson. So just how would they break news of this magnitude? Sounds like it's an on going debate:

 

 

I think the whole "people couldn't handle the truth" thing is so overplayed and the lamest of excuse. Just look at the world and how they handle earth shattering news these days. Maybe a gasp or two and then it falls to the background barely noticed. 

[Dejarma]

1 hour ago, esoteric_toad said:

I think the whole "people couldn't handle the truth" thing is so overplayed and the lamest of excuse

if aliens land for the world to see it will be a sudden world news thing like how we all couldn't believe what we were seeing when 9/11 happened.
The reality of it IN_MY_OPINION going by the data put forward for the past 90 years of so called modern ufology is:

 the authorities know as much about extraterrestrial life as we the public do= which of course is fek all with regards to facts!

Anyone can tell <A STORY> & if the likes of my good self need more than this to believe I'm classed as:

 'someone who can't handle the truth' is the most unintelligent/ illogical attitude to have when trying to debate the possibility!

What truth??

[Dejarma]

4 hours ago, esoteric_toad said:

Full disclosure any day now.....just you wait....any day now. Really, I swear....

Like Dr. Steven M. Greer's Disclosure Project.

10/15 years later & what? Apart from Tons of cash earned via TV interviews/ books/ Documentaries/ Lectures etc etc, eeer= fek all!

Will this be any different do you think? We all know the answer to that, don't we

David Grusch= Six months/ 5 years/ 10 years of nothing-- do you think the likes of us will get an apology from those who feel we're <frightened of the truth>?

Time will tell-- oh what fun

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

2 hours ago, esoteric_toad said:

I think the whole "people couldn't handle the truth" thing is so overplayed and the lamest of excuse.

I used to feel the same way, ET. But being in here long term made me think twice. 

The real sceptic stalwarts in here have left the forum since the government started it's reveal program. 
They never could accept the fact that UFO's exist, or that *any* incident that we ever reviewed here was a legit UFO incident.

And it made me think that maybe they are paranoid. I think so anyway.

[Dejarma]

8 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I used to feel the same way, ET. But being in here long term made me think twice. 

The real sceptic stalwarts in here have left the forum since the government started it's reveal program. 
They never could accept the fact that UFO's exist, or that *any* incident that we ever reviewed here was a legit UFO incident.

And it made me think that maybe they are paranoid. I think so anyway.

With regards to the UFO Congress Hearing:

What do you feel will happen?

What <more> do you feel we will know in hmmm, let's say 2 years time or even 3 months time?

My response to this question will be fek all like Dr. Steven M. Greer's Disclosure Project.

What do YOU feel?

I put this question to everyone --- oh what joy

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

15 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

With regards to the UFO Congress Hearing:

What do you feel will happen?

These are good questions. 
I can't tell if it's all for show or not. Seriously. 
The US government for years now, has been laying out these bread crumbs in a trail for us to follow. They will look awfully darn foolish is this just dies and goes away.
So, I suspect we will continue to hear more from the oversight committee on matters raised by the whistleblowers. 

 

15 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

What <more> do you feel we will know in hmmm, let's say 2 years time or even 3 months time?

I think that the way the knowledge is being disseminated now we'll be getting eyebrow-raising news items thrown our way every 3 months or so. 

 

15 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

My response to this question will be fek all like Dr. Steven M. Greer's Disclosure Project.

What do YOU feel?

I put this question to everyone --- oh what joy

I don't know about Greer's Disclosure Project. 

I think a more full disclosure is coming. We'll see what happens

[Dejarma]

18 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I think a more full disclosure is coming. We'll see what happens

yeah, i'm sure you do think that- what do you think it will be? give me an example of what you're hoping for...

my example will be== fek all, & i'll bet i'm right!

[skyeagle409]

9 hours ago, Trelane said:

Yes, the 10% that there isn't enough evidence to conclude anything. Anything to include extraterrestrial visitation.

It only takes one authentic case and its game over. In fact, there are many such cases. 

Edited August 19 by skyeagle409