Ryan Graves: subcommittee revelations were just 'tip of the iceberg'

[Golden Duck]

4 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I used to feel the same way, ET. But being in here long term made me think twice. 

The real sceptic stalwarts in here have left the forum since the government started it's reveal program. 
They never could accept the fact that UFO's exist, or that *any* incident that we ever reviewed here was a legit UFO incident.

And it made me think that maybe they are paranoid. I think so anyway.

I've been on this forum longer than you and I have never seen anyone say unidentified flying objects don't exist.

[esoteric_toad]

If aliens have been visiting for a supposed long time why have they only chosen to crash (or visit) in a country that wants to hide everything? Is the US somehow blessed and other countries left out? Seems to me that other countries might not want to hide everything yet no one is saying anything (maybe because there really isn't anything to divulge).

Also with roughly 100,000 flights a day taking off all around the globe you would think there would be a LOT more evidence of these UAP's but to the best of my knowledge there's nothing that is out there that screams "not of this earth". Think about that, literally hundreds of thousands of people are in the air at any one time and nothing*.

Billions of high resolution cameras out there and not a single highly detailed image or video. Claims of ships flying over major metropolitian areas and yet there is one blurry pic or a 10 second crappy video clip. The real mystery is that with so many people on this globe there are not more detailed sightings than ever before.

Seems like a tough faith to follow.

I haven't looked into it really but I saw a video of someone stating that every time the US 'looks into' UFO's it is typically in a cold war type of situation. It was implied that it was all for show and a distraction. That is more believable than aliens visiting the earth IMO.

PS- I would love for there to be something out there incidentally. Something REAL and not wishful thinking.

*"Ever wonder how many people are flying in an airplane right now, at this very minute? Depending on source, about 500,000 people are estimated to be up in the air at any given time. If the average length of a flight is two hours, that means six million people fly somewhere everyday."

Edited August 20, 2023 by Saru
Removed quote - do not misrepresent another member's name/quote, especially if the purpose is to insult them.

[Phantom309]

More info on the Eglin AFB incident from Ross Coulthart.

Great description of the Eglin commanding general who initially blocked the Burchett/Luna/Gaetz meeting -  "A little tin ass in a uniform"

Apparantly at least one of the Air Force pilots shot video of the objects on his iPhone - Coulthart has seen it:

 

 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

16 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

I've been on this forum longer than you and I have never seen anyone say unidentified flying objects don't exist.

The stalwarts NEVER agreed that a UFO incident was just that. they had an excuse for any evidence posted,
from photos to eyewitnesses to radar reports. Never happened. 

And they only recently have agreed that UFO's exist but they are not ET. 

[Golden Duck]

7 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

The stalwarts NEVER agreed that a UFO incident was just that. they had an excuse for any evidence posted,
from photos to eyewitnesses to radar reports. Never happened. 

And they only recently have agreed that UFO's exist but they are not ET. 

I don't agree. 

I think you are misinterpreting the long prevailing attitudes of this site.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

1 hour ago, esoteric_toad said:

If aliens have been visiting for a supposed long time why have they only chosen to crash (or visit) in a country that wants to hide everything? Is the US somehow blessed and other countries left out? Seems to me that other countries might not want to hide everything yet no one is saying anything (maybe because there really isn't anything to divulge).

Hey, toad.
I wish I had answers for your questions. The only thing I can say for certain is that UFO's exist.

 

1 hour ago, esoteric_toad said:

Also with roughly 100,000 flights a day taking off all around the globe you would think there would be a LOT more evidence of these UAP's but to the best of my knowledge there's nothing that is out there that screams "not of this earth". Think about that, literally hundreds of thousands of people are in the air at any one time and nothing*.

Well, it's not exactly nothing. That pilot turned whistleblower, Graves, has pilots sending their accounts to him and he posts to X. 

 

1 hour ago, esoteric_toad said:

Billions of high resolution cameras out there and not a single highly detailed image or video. Claims of ships flying over major metropolitian areas and yet there is one blurry pic or a 10 second crappy video clip. The real mystery is that with so many people on this globe there are not more detailed sightings than ever before.

Seems like a tough faith to follow.

I haven't looked into it really but I saw a video of someone stating that every time the US 'looks into' UFO's it is typically in a cold war type of situation. It was implied that it was all for show and a distraction. That is more believable than aliens visiting the earth IMO.

They certainly seem to have a lot of appearances with the military, yes. Of course, the military is far better suited to record such encounters.
Whether we hear about it is just a question of whether or not the US is in reveal mode, I guess. Surely the US military had such visits years ago

too.

1 hour ago, esoteric_toad said:

PS- I would love for there to be something out there incidentally. Something REAL and not wishful thinking.

*"Ever wonder how many people are flying in an airplane right now, at this very minute? Depending on source, about 500,000 people are estimated to be up in the air at any given time. If the average length of a flight is two hours, that means six million people fly somewhere everyday."

I just had a thought... UFO's are not bound to fly at the same altitudes as commercial liners or even military craft.
The USS Princeton of GoFast fame, for example, saw the UFO's at 80,000 feet. One day many in unison fell in altitude, but mostly they travelled at high altitude

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

17 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

I don't agree. 

I think you are misinterpreting the long prevailing attitudes of this site.

First of all, you were NOT one of the old guard, the guys who were in every thread and never missed a beat.

But with that said, I still want to ask you, can you name ONE UFO thread where one of the old guard agreed that the incident was in fact of a real UFO? 

they ripped everything to shreds, like a pack of rottweilers. You won't find such a thread, BTW, so don't actually reaserch it. 

[Golden Duck]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

First of all, you were NOT one of the old guard, the guys who were in every thread and never missed a beat.

But with that said, I still want to ask you, can you name ONE UFO thread where one of the old guard agreed that the incident was in fact of a real UFO? 

they ripped everything to shreds, like a pack of rottweilers. You won't find such a thread, BTW, so don't actually reaserch it. 

Like I said l.  I was here before you.  So which old guard are referring to?

You're asking me to find a negative.  However, the prevailing attitude is to find an answer to the unexplained. You should see the Alt History forum if you the think ET forum is too mean.

This thread doesn’t have any of the dog-like behaviour you are insinuating.  Of you find something objectionable you can always complain to Saru.  I recall a few threads you were involved in being locked.  And some of your posts mysteriously disappearing.

[Dejarma]

5 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Like I said l.  I was here before you.  So which old guard are referring to?

You're asking me to find a negative.  However, the prevailing attitude is to find an answer to the unexplained. You should see the Alt History forum if you the think ET forum is too mean.

This thread doesn’t have any of the dog-like behaviour you are insinuating.  Of you find something objectionable you can always complain to Saru.  I recall a few threads you were involved in being locked.  And some of your posts mysteriously disappearing.

playing the victim card is rife these days

[Saru]

9 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

And they only recently have agreed that UFO's exist but they are not ET. 

I think the prevailing stance is that UFOs exist, but we *don't know* whether or not they are extraterrestrial.

[Trelane]

What? Who? How did this get in here???

"Advanced drones that can fly 'without any signs of propulsion' "

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping/advanced-drones-that-can-fly-without-any-signs-of-propulsion/ar-AA1ftSGv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6872df3815b14718a930b2b99e3214fc&ei=21

[Grey Area]

11 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

But with that said, I still want to ask you, can you name ONE UFO thread where one of the old guard agreed that the incident was in fact of a real UFO?

I don’t get this?  What is a REAL UFO?  By virtue of the Acronym anything in the sky that you are not sure about fits the description.

You would be fool if your position was that UFO’s don’t exist.  I myself have seen hundreds of UFO’s over the years, they exist.

[skyeagle409]

On 8/20/2023 at 4:43 AM, Trelane said:

What? Who? How did this get in here???

"Advanced drones that can fly 'without any signs of propulsion' "

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping/advanced-drones-that-can-fly-without-any-signs-of-propulsion/ar-AA1ftSGv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6872df3815b14718a930b2b99e3214fc&ei=21

Does mankind have drones that are capable of performing right-angled maneuvers at hypersonic speeds? How about in 1952 where UFOs were tracked on radar and visually of doing just that? In addition, as Graves shared his story with Newsweek, "The UAP had no lifting surfaces, “could remain motionless in Category-4 hurricane w..."

Former US Navy lieutenant, Ryan Graves describes how his testimony regarding UAPs is just the 'tip of the iceberg' (deccanherald.com)
 

Edited August 21, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 8/20/2023 at 5:06 AM, Saru said:

I think the prevailing stance is that UFOs exist, but we *don't know* whether or not they are extraterrestrial.

I would agree, That is the majority opinion but being in the majority does not guarantee that the opinion is correct.

I think back to the Battle of LA, 1943, and many others that occurred before one could ever conceive that humans controlled those ships.
And that is not "proof" of Aliens either, but I like my chances

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 8/20/2023 at 7:49 AM, Grey Area said:

I don’t get this?  What is a REAL UFO?  By virtue of the Acronym anything in the sky that you are not sure about fits the description.

You would be fool if your position was that UFO’s don’t exist.  I myself have seen hundreds of UFO’s over the years, they exist.

I could have been more clear. 
By context in this conversation, take "UFO" to mean - an engineered, geometrically shaped aircraft that is intelligently flown.

But, it's been a while. Let it go, if you like.

[Trelane]

It's been over a month since the subcommittee meeting. Where are all the other "revelations"? Tip of the iceberg huh? I'm calling it the tip of the mound of B.S. 

graves called the testimony "revelations". They weren't though. It was three guys repeating stories they had already spoken about in prior interviews and podcasts. graves most notably, honing about his stuff anywhere and everywhere he could. Nothing new was revealed though. 

 

[Golden Duck]

There are many layers to an iceberg

[Portre]

On 8/20/2023 at 4:43 AM, Trelane said:

What? Who? How did this get in here???

"Advanced drones that can fly 'without any signs of propulsion' "

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping/advanced-drones-that-can-fly-without-any-signs-of-propulsion/ar-AA1ftSGv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6872df3815b14718a930b2b99e3214fc&ei=21

Cool toy, but this from the article doesn't match descriptions of UFO/UAP: The company hopes to demonstrate a 15-minute flight with noise levels below 70dB this year

I also wonder who is controlling these possible drones and from where? How close can one get to a carrier strike group with being noticed?

[Trelane]

27 minutes ago, Portre said:

Cool toy, but this from the article doesn't match descriptions of UFO/UAP: The company hopes to demonstrate a 15-minute flight with noise levels below 70dB this year

I also wonder who is controlling these possible drones and from where? How close can one get to a carrier strike group with being noticed?

I'll counter with, what is the most logical explanation? One clue, it isn't from out of this world (or dimension). In response to your last question about advance on carriers, it has been shown previously that highly motivated individuals can maneuver within deadly striking distance. Even minimally trained terrorists in small boats apparently.

Anyway, the items you allude to have been reasonably been explained. Whether you or anyone accepts them is irrelevant. I have no interest in the doom loop of childish conjecture these topics have become.

[Portre]

Of course, the logical explanation in human made. That is where your curiosity ends. That is where mine begins. I accept the testimony and interviews of the pilots, not their interpretation, but just what they experienced. Multiple objects appearing over multiple days. Radar operator tells pilots multiple objects appearing at 80,000ft (i.e., space). What man-made object can re-enter Earth's atmosphere without burning up? You are talking about an attack on one ship in port. I'm talking about a carrier strike group on a training mission. How does a small boat putt-putt through 195 miles of radar coverage and a great number of ships on active watch without being noticed? I will accept any logical explanation.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

13 minutes ago, Portre said:

Of course, the logical explanation in human made.

And I, of course, would disagree. All the old ones could not be human made. 

[Portre]

17 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

And I, of course, would disagree. All the old ones could not be human made. 

D'accord. This raises questions, such as, if UFOs are from some distant world, how did they find us?

Edited August 30, 2023 by Portre

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

6 hours ago, Portre said:

D'accord. This raises questions, such as, if UFOs are from some distant world, how did they find us?

That is a great question, one that could make for a long lasting thread in here. I will give a *possible* scenario, using this recently released estimate: 
300 million planets in the Milky Way that can support life. Lets assume that to be true since just after the galaxy/(universe) was created. And let us further assume 
that about 3 million planets host intelligent life, and have so since about 2 billion years after the galaxy was created, giving 11.6 billion years. 
As the different species find each other, they organize their exploration and eventually map the galaxy. I am sure drones or autonomous crafts would be involved.

Here's the catch. I believe - without proof, that these explorers have found the "shortcut" - that way to transport vast distances in little time. 
One such example is the wormhole, another is interdimensional travel, and of course, they could have something different that we have yet to discover. 

There is one thing I know, and that is, "they" are here, and I highly doubt they are human. 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Earl.Of.Trumps

[astrobeing]

On 8/8/2023 at 11:22 AM, pallidin said:

Nah. The former Navy pilot is likely right, IMO. Even the ultra no-nonsense Pentagon says that there are clearly some UAS events which are currently unexplainable as to how they could possibly maneuver as sighted, radar tracked, and in some cases even filmed.

The no-nonsense Pentagon also told us there were definitely weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

I would guess that you grew up after the Vietnam War was over.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 8/29/2023 at 6:40 PM, Portre said:

Cool toy, but this from the article doesn't match descriptions of UFO/UAP: The company hopes to demonstrate a 15-minute flight with noise levels below 70dB this year

I also wonder who is controlling these possible drones and from where? How close can one get to a carrier strike group with being noticed?

From your link:
"A new drone which flies almost silently without wings or propellers has raised questions about how many supposed UFO sightings might actually be man-made craft."

Proponents of domestic/human made UFO's love that story. But it could never be used to explain away the UFO in Battle of LA, or any of the older ones.
It's just a copout for them.