Ryan Graves: subcommittee revelations were just 'tip of the iceberg'

[skyeagle409]

4 hours ago, Trelane said:

Over months 5 later.....still nothing new or groundbreaking. All we get is the same regurgitated stories. 

As a reminder, an alien presence here of Earth is a reality.

 

 

[Hazzard]

4 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

As a reminder, an alien presence here of Earth is a reality.

 

 

Did you not see what Antigonos posted on the other thread??

"The lesson here is that one can believe firmly in the existence of extraterrestrial life without also automatically leaping to the conclusion that if it exists it therefore must be visiting our planet. Sagan was passionate about the possibility of intelligent alien life and recognized that only the highest standards of proof would do justice to such a momentous revelation, evidence that unequivocally tells the human race that we are in fact not alone in the universe.

The people who want to believe In UFOS being actual alien craft should be the first, most vocal and most demanding for such high quality evidence. Simply accepting any story or outright  fraud that comes along out of sheer desperation just to have something to point to degrades their arguments and turns the subject itself into a farce." 

 

You, and people like you, are exactly what is wrong with UFOology today.

Slinging nonsense, cherry picking, mixing cases, misrepresentation etc... It is people like you that is turning this very interesting subject into a joke!

[skyeagle409]

1 minute ago, Hazzard said:

 

Did you not see what Antigonos posted on the other thread??

"The lesson here is that one can believe firmly in the existence of extraterrestrial life without also automatically leaping to the conclusion that if it exists it therefore must be visiting our planet. Sagan was passionate about the possibility of intelligent alien life and recognized that only the highest standards of proof would do justice to such a momentous revelation, evidence that unequivocally tells the human race that we are in fact not alone in the universe.

The people who want to believe In UFOS being actual alien craft should be the first, most vocal and most demanding for such high quality evidence. Simply accepting any story or outright  fraud that comes along out of sheer desperation just to have something to point to degrades their arguments and turns the subject itself into a farce." 

 

You, and people like you, are exactly what is wrong with UFOology today.

Slinging nonsense, cherry picking, mixing cases, misrepresentation etc... It is people like you that is turning this very interesting subject into a joke!

As a reminder, the objects that Ryan Graves and other Navy pilots encountered were not weather balloons.

Ryan Graves

Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): “How do you know that these [UAPs] were not our aircraft?” Former Navy fighter pilot Ryan Graves: “These objects were staying completely stationary in Category 4 hurricane winds. These same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds.”

“These objects were staying completely stationary in Category Four hurricane winds,” Graves said. “The same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds, 1.1, 1.2 Mach, and they would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that we don’t—I don’t have an explanation for.”

Former Navy Pilot Testifies to Congress About Chilling UFO Encounter Off Virginia Coast (yahoo.com)

[Trelane]

No.

None of that is true. Not remotely.

[skyeagle409]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

No.

None of that is true. Not remotely.

 Now, let's take a look at what Mr. Reality has said.

Chad Underwood Interview 

"… there’s two types of sensors that we record on the aircraft, active sensors and passive sensors. The FLIR is a passive sensor, the radar however, is what we call an active sensor. So it’s shooting emissions out and receiving data in and an active sensor can be exploited by our enemies if they can see the data that’s on that screen.  Cdr. Underwood said there were two 8mm tapes that recorded data. One tape for each side of his jet display, the radar and FLIR.  Once you acquire your target, from your radar, every other sensor that I have on board my aircraft is a slave to that target. So my FLIR, my electronic warfare systems, and it’s going to lock onto that target, and it’s going to look at that target and focus on that target. That’s what it’s designed to do." 

"We had the tapes … we had the radar tape and the FLIR tape — the FLIR tape is what you guys have seen, but it’s been degraded so many times because it’s been copied.” 

JEREMY CORBELL 
But you’re saying you got radar footage or footage of the radar as well during the Tic Tac UFO event? 

CHAD UNDERWOOD  
I did. Yeah. 

Just goes to show that Mr. Reality is not on your side, and rightly so. 

Edited January 4 by skyeagle409

[Hazzard]

3 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

Yes, and data and documentation as verified by experts, prove the objects are not man-made.

Are you ok?

I really mean this... You seem more repetitive than ever before.

Refusing to engage in a real debate... Walls of copy/paste and repeat, repeat, repeat ad infinitum.

Not even the mods can get through to you!??

I know drugs that can make people behave in this manner, but....?

 

[superman73]

On 8/10/2023 at 7:18 AM, Trelane said:

I look forward to these alleged revelations to be made under testimony so they can be properly examined. I only hope the Senate panel doesn't pussyfoot around with the line of questioning. The hearings two weeks ago were a joke because we are no further in understanding what they allege. It was just more stories and softball questions that they have already discussed in other platforms.

I still am curious why the ETH believer crowd dismiss, deny or ignore explanations that are more terrestrial in nature, when there have been numerous experts to indicate that most if not all can be properly identified and explained. What gives? Why are you guys deniers? 

We don't? But I a guarantee you not every sighting is a weather balloon,swamp gas or space debri! What about the infamous Star wars video shown by Nasa from years ago that shows us firing a missile on an UAP and it completely changes trajectory and hauls ass into space?

[superman73]

On 9/14/2023 at 6:52 AM, Alchopwn said:

The techs that are supposed to have been a result of Alien tech include circuit boards, microchips, those oddly effective Nazi nightscopes, and memory metals/metamaterials.

This is the most likely scenario to me.Going from horse and buggy to our tech now,without another source seems.  Fishy in my view.Maybe we will never know?

[Hazzard]

8 minutes ago, superman73 said:

 What about the infamous Star wars video shown by Nasa from years ago that shows us firing a missile on an UAP and it completely changes trajectory and hauls ass into space?

Is there a link with that story perhaps?

Edited January 5 by Hazzard

[superman73]

27 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

Is there a link with that story perhaps?

I'm not that tech savvy! Lol..It will be on Google.

[Hazzard]

11 minutes ago, superman73 said:

I'm not that tech savvy! Lol..It will be on Google.

What the...   .

[skyeagle409]

7 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Are you ok?

I really mean this... You seem more repetitive than ever before.

But the question is, why didn't you catch the message of reality the first time around?

7 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Refusing to engage in a real debate... Walls of copy/paste and repeat, repeat, repeat ad infinitum.

Let's just say that sometimes I take notes when I post and read a response that rejects what I have posted. So, I post again only this time, I add data, and read the same response. I then post the data again and add a few details that prove the data is what it is, and once, I read the same response. Now, I add that the same data was verified by experts, and once again, it's the same response. 

I mean, how can anyone debate someone who cannot be taken seriously! 

 

7 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Not even the mods can get through to you!?? I know drugs that can make people behave in this manner, but....?

I have apologized, but that doesn't change any facts or the reality of what the scientifically analyzed data and documentation evidence revealed as verified by experts, especially when eyewitnesses accounts from reliable sources are added.

[Hazzard]

1 hour ago, skyeagle409 said:

I have apologized, but that doesn't change any facts or the reality of what the scientifically analyzed data and documentation evidence revealed as verified by experts, especially when eyewitnesses accounts from reliable sources are added.

YOUR reality.

Literaly no one else here is agreeing with your conclusions about anything you have claimed.

Thats not going to change either, until the day (if ever) something new is brought to the table.

We all know that for you, those old cases are enough. Good for you. Keep believing.

But as long as a case is full of holes and could have alternative explanations its a no go for me.

 

 

[Alchopwn]

11 hours ago, superman73 said:

This is the most likely scenario to me.Going from horse and buggy to our tech now,without another source seems.  Fishy in my view.Maybe we will never know?

But we didn't go from horse and buggy to our present tech.  That is a statement without any foundation. Your lack of knowledge of history is making you look like a goofball.  Have you ever heard of Stephenson, or Tesla, or the Wright Brothers?  We have centuries of patents that show exactly how human ideas developed into working technology.  You say "maybe we will never know", well you'll never know if you never crack open a history book on the subject.

This is not to suggest that there are a couple of "fortuitous" inventions without a lot of background that do seem suspicious, but to suggest they are the majority is absurd.  It is possible that our technology is even being led astray by downed alien craft.  I know we give Chinese Military hackers false technical documents all the time, so why wouldn't aliens give us screwy "downed vehicles" to examine?

Edited January 6 by Alchopwn

[skyeagle409]

6 hours ago, Hazzard said:

YOUR reality.

Literaly no one else here is agreeing with your conclusions about anything you have claimed.

Thats not going to change either, until the day (if ever) something new is brought to the table.

We all know that for you, those old cases are enough. Good for you. Keep believing.

But as long as a case is full of holes and could have alternative explanations its a no go for me.

The reality is, I can back up what I present, and have done so as well. 

[skyeagle409]

13 hours ago, superman73 said:

We don't? But I a guarantee you not every sighting is a weather balloon,swamp gas or space debri! What about the infamous Star wars video shown by Nasa from years ago that shows us firing a missile on an UAP and it completely changes trajectory and hauls ass into space?

I can safely say that particular object that was fired upon was not a weather balloon.

[skyeagle409]

17 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Are you ok?

I really mean this... You seem more repetitive than ever before.

Refusing to engage in a real debate... Walls of copy/paste and repeat, repeat, repeat ad infinitum.

Not even the mods can get through to you!??

I know drugs that can make people behave in this manner, but....?

 

You speak of debate, so what happened after it was shown and proven by evidence that certain radar contacts had nothing to do with natural phenomenon, planets, balloons, or misidentifications? Why was that verified evidence ignored, not once, not twice, but repeatedly?

[Hazzard]

2 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

Yes, because the encounter of Ryan Graves has been verified and the objects exhibited performance capabilities that proved the objects were not man-made.

ET or man made... Is that really your premise??

And you call those skeptical of your claims "close minded" 

 

[skyeagle409]

Just now, Hazzard said:

ET or man made... Is that really your premise??

And you call those skeptical of your claims "close minded" 

It's very simple to understand that mankind doesn't have aircraft that are capable of conducting right-angled maneuvers at hypersonic speeds and do so without creating a sonic boom, which means those objects are those of ET and it is just a matter of calling upon the process of elimination to make that accurate determination.

[superman73]

13 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

But we didn't go from horse and buggy to our present tech.  That is a statement without any foundation. Your lack of knowledge of history is making you look like a goofball.  Have you ever heard of Stephenson, or Tesla, or the Wright Brothers?  We have centuries of patents that show exactly how human ideas developed into working technology.  You say "maybe we will never know", well you'll never know if you never crack open a history book on the subject.

This is not to suggest that there are a couple of "fortuitous" inventions without a lot of background that do seem suspicious, but to suggest they are the majority is absurd.  It is possible that our technology is even being led astray by downed alien craft.  I know we give Chinese Military hackers false technical documents all the time, so why wouldn't aliens give us screwy "downed vehicles" to examine?

I know Tesla quite well! There was a certain measure of development throughout history I understand Alc.Look at DaVinci,my opinion is still that we have been "pushed" to a greater extent.

[skyeagle409]

7 minutes ago, Trelane said:

🧐

No. 

Why of course the data evidence has proven the objects are not man-made.

7 minutes ago, Trelane said:

 

I don't think the guy understands I have him on ignore but he feverishly posts something after I do so it stands to reason he's responding. 😂

I simply will refute anything that shows him posting because he is a fraud and liar. And I just think everyone needs to know that.

Reality check:  has already proven you wrong on all counts.

[Golden Duck]

14 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Your lack of knowledge of history is making you look like a goofball.

I thought it was their posts.

[skyeagle409]

1 hour ago, Hazzard said:

ET or man made... Is that really your premise??

The data and supporting documentation that I have been presenting have summed it up quite well as to why the objects are not man-made craft.

1 hour ago, Hazzard said:

And you call those skeptical of your claims "close minded" 

 It has nothing to do with being closed-minded because I am familiar with what the data depicts and know beyond a shadow of a doubt those objects are not what skeptics have suggested. 

[Saru]

On 1/3/2024 at 4:40 PM, skyeagle409 said:

As a reminder, an alien presence here of Earth is a reality.

Do you remember what I said to you about gaslighting ?

[skyeagle409]

9 hours ago, Saru said:

Do you remember what I said to you about gaslighting ?

My apology.