Eldorado Posted August 15, 2023 #1 Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) Those between the ages of 10 and 25 are turning away from higher education amid the continuing cost-of-living crisis, new research suggests. A new study, which was carried out by the Co-op and children’s charity Barnardo’s, indicated a shift in financially prioritising basic needs. Over 5,000 10 to 25-year-olds across the UK took part in a survey which uncovered the “stark impact” the rising cost-of-living is having on young people’s access to food, mental wellbeing, and future opportunities. Financial issues were said to be causing young people to struggle to afford to feed themselves. National World report via MSN Edited August 15, 2023 by Eldorado 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted August 15, 2023 #2 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Back in 1983 I left school (at 17) instead of continuing to study for A Levels and thence Uni ..... because I couldn't afford to not be in full time employment. I blame Brexit 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted August 15, 2023 Author #3 Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) Related... A-level leavers will be first generation paying off student loans after they retire Undergraduates who begin their studies this autumn will be the first generation to face repaying their student loans until after they retire, analysis shows. This year’s freshers will be the first cohort to take out the Government’s new “Plan 5” loans, meaning that their debt will not be written off until 40 years after they have graduated, as opposed to 30 years previously. UK Telegraph report via MSN Edited August 15, 2023 by Eldorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar4Truth Posted August 18, 2023 #4 Share Posted August 18, 2023 If they want they can go to trade/vocational schools later on if they want to continue education. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted August 18, 2023 #5 Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 10:43 AM, Essan said: Back in 1983 I left school (at 17) instead of continuing to study for A Levels and thence Uni ..... because I couldn't afford to not be in full time employment. I blame Brexit You are the same cohort as me. University was free then if you got the grades. There may have been another reason why you didn't stay on to take A Levels- I took and passed 4 A levels and an S level about then for free, and was offered a free university place to study law. Those were the good days for us boomers. Brexit of course had nothing to do with it. But you can't beat the University of Life, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted August 18, 2023 #6 Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 1:34 PM, Eldorado said: Related... A-level leavers will be first generation paying off student loans after they retire Undergraduates who begin their studies this autumn will be the first generation to face repaying their student loans until after they retire, analysis shows. This year’s freshers will be the first cohort to take out the Government’s new “Plan 5” loans, meaning that their debt will not be written off until 40 years after they have graduated, as opposed to 30 years previously. UK Telegraph report via MSN There is truth in what @Essan says, in a way, we are returning to the days when higher education will depend on what you parents earn, not your ability. If your parents can afford to pay for private education, your chances of getting into Oxbridge or even a redbrick university is far higher than it is for someone without a monied family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted August 18, 2023 #7 Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 10:31 AM, Eldorado said: Those between the ages of 10 and 25 are turning away from higher education amid the continuing cost-of-living crisis, new research suggests. A new study, which was carried out by the Co-op and children’s charity Barnardo’s, indicated a shift in financially prioritising basic needs. Over 5,000 10 to 25-year-olds across the UK took part in a survey which uncovered the “stark impact” the rising cost-of-living is having on young people’s access to food, mental wellbeing, and future opportunities. Financial issues were said to be causing young people to struggle to afford to feed themselves. National World report via MSN I`m calling their claims out as totally fake based on two reasons. The first is higher education in the UK is education past high school and you dont leave high school until you are 16. The claim 10 year olds are turning away from higher education is both bizarre and funny. The second is that people can apply for a grant and a student loan in the UK. Currently, the student loans on offer mean no one pays anything back until they earn over £25k per annum. I also find the thought of young people struggling to feed themselves to be rather odd baring in mind they are children and teenagers still under the care of their parents. Parents, who receive child benefits to feed and clothe them if their income is low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted August 18, 2023 #8 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: I`m calling their claims out as totally fake based on two reasons. The first is higher education in the UK is education past high school and you dont leave high school until you are 16. Higher education is University, so degree level qualification, which you would typically access having done 2 years of further education (A’levels) at the age of 18+. 22 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: The claim 10 year olds are turning away from higher education is both bizarre and funny. It is a little strange that 10 year olds would have been consulted in this research. 22 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: The second is that people can apply for a grant and a student loan in the UK. Currently, the student loans on offer mean no one pays anything back until they earn over £25k per annum. Even with course fees covered, student loans do not constitute a living wage, and with food and rent prices sky rocketing, the financial support of family is increasingly important, not every family can afford to subsidise their children. 22 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: I also find the thought of young people struggling to feed themselves to be rather odd baring in mind they are children and teenagers still under the care of their parents. 99% of young people accessing higher education are over 18, and living independently. 22 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: Parents, who receive child benefits to feed and clothe them if their income is low. Every parent receives child benefit, it is not means tested, which is in the region of £85 per month. Child benefit ceases when the child is no longer a child, like an 18 year old attending uni. I don’t think this research is fake, however I would be interested in seeing just how representative the research sample is. Edited August 18, 2023 by Grey Area 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gloriia82 Posted February 29 #9 Share Posted February 29 Well, it's actually pretty sad to know that people don't go to universities not because they don't want to do something else, like taking a gap year and so on, but because they can afford it. The tuition prices are very high now, and you also need to pay for accommodation, food, and everything else. Of course, there are scholarships, but the amount is not enough, and not everyone has parents who can support them. But there are trade schools and other places where you can get skills and knowledge without spending a lot of money, but not everyone wants to go there. I was lucky because my parents supported me, and I managed to become a student. Now I have a job, so I can pay for some expenses myself, but it's hard to work, study, and have some time left. But there are so many resources, like CustomWriting, where I can get help with some writing tasks; I have a good library where I can find information, research and so on. But still, it takes me a lot of time to learn something, do all my studies, and then go to work. But without it, it would be hard for me, so I do my best not to drop out and have money for some basic expenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted February 29 #10 Share Posted February 29 In a way, it's a long overdue shift back to the norm and away from the extravagant egalitarian notion that everyone is capable of or desire extensive higher education. For some, life is the best education; they learn throughout the entirety of it. There's a place in society for workers, tradesmen, scholars and professionals, without the archaic stigma of class distinctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted February 29 #11 Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: In a way, it's a long overdue shift back to the norm and away from the extravagant egalitarian notion that everyone is capable of or desire extensive higher education. For some, life is the best education; they learn throughout the entirety of it. There's a place in society for workers, tradesmen, scholars and professionals, without the archaic stigma of class distinctions. But that's exactly the problem this research highlights - it's a return to class distinction rather than aptitude. If people can't afford to go to uni without family help, only the wealthier will be able to study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted February 29 #12 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, Setton said: But that's exactly the problem this research highlights - it's a return to class distinction rather than aptitude. If people can't afford to go to uni without family help, only the wealthier will be able to study. People aren't chosen for aptitude in an egalitarian socialist State. The mediocre are promoted along with rest. Then, they either flunk out, or are placed on a remedial course regimen to learn what they were incapable of learning in 12 years of public school. The rich will always be advantaged, barring descent into totalitarianism--even then, sometimes. A higher education should be the province of the exceptional, whatever their medieval social status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted February 29 #13 Share Posted February 29 Going to University is a right of passage, I would recommend all do it who can. The finances are irrelevant, just student loan it, who cares if some will never pay it off. Get your degree, it opens doors. You wont pay anything back until you are earning over the threshold (meaning you got a decent job). I only have one criticism and that is don`t do a degree in a subject you are very unlikely ever to get to use. If you arent sure which subject to pick, defaulting to a management degree will see you right. Then you can look onto employers with amazement over the retards they have promoted and ask yourself really? You would really promote someone like that? It can get quite funny. After a few years you`ll have the money to have your own go in business and run it properly lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted February 29 #14 Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, Electric Scooter said: Going to University is a right of passage, I would recommend all do it who can. The finances are irrelevant, just student loan it, who cares if some will never pay it off. Get your degree, it opens doors. You wont pay anything back until you are earning over the threshold (meaning you got a decent job). I only have one criticism and that is don`t do a degree in a subject you are very unlikely ever to get to use. If you arent sure which subject to pick, defaulting to a management degree will see you right. Then you can look onto employers with amazement over the retards they have promoted and ask yourself really? You would really promote someone like that? It can get quite funny. After a few years you`ll have the money to have your own go in business and run it properly lol. I've lost count of how many different degrees you've claimed to have over the years 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted February 29 #15 Share Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, Setton said: I've lost count of how many different degrees you've claimed to have over the years 🙄 A friend of mine has made being a student a career. He is albino and legally blind, so he was already getting disability. He recognized that he would probably never be employable so he went to school and collected student loans as he pursued degrees. The loans have no interest or payment as long as he was in school and his plan was for that to be until he died. I haven't seen him for a few decades, but I wonder how he fared and if he is still continuing his err.. career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted February 29 #16 Share Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, Gromdor said: A friend of mine has made being a student a career. He is albino and legally blind, so he was already getting disability. He recognized that he would probably never be employable so he went to school and collected student loans as he pursued degrees. The loans have no interest or payment as long as he was in school and his plan was for that to be until he died. I haven't seen him for a few decades, but I wonder how he fared and if he is still continuing his err.. career. Well if you pick the right degrees your can have two student loans, and then loan up a masters, and then loan up a doctorate. Thats 10-12 years not needing employment it you play it right haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted February 29 #17 Share Posted February 29 12 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: Well if you pick the right degrees your can have two student loans, and then loan up a masters, and then loan up a doctorate. Thats 10-12 years not needing employment it you play it right haha. He was finishing his first masters and starting on a PHD when he moved. I should try finding him and see whatever became of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted February 29 #18 Share Posted February 29 (edited) @Electric Scooter I differ with you on this. Many of societies problems can be traced back to the monetisation of basic services. We cannot build roads or any infrastructure without going to tender, then having a user attached model to fund it. In this case, education. Education should never have become a business and paying back $100,000 loan a disincentive you any young adult starting out in life. Kudos to Biden for recognising such an injustice and wiping off student debt. We need more of this. There is something inherently wrong with a government having a tax base 10 more than 30 years ago but cannot educate, provide health or build anything without a user pay model attached to it. What is the point of paying tax? Edited February 29 by Unusual Tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted February 29 #19 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: @Electric Scooter I differ with you on this. Many of societies problems can be traced back to the monetisation of basic services. We cannot build roads or any infrastructure without going to tender, then having a user attached model to fund it. In this case, education. Education should never have become a business and paying back $100,000 loan a disincentive you any young adult starting out in life. Kudos to Biden for recognising such an injustice and wiping off student debt. We need more of this. There is something inherently wrong with a government having a tax base 10 more than 30 years ago but cannot educate, provide health or build anything without a user pay model attached to it. What is the point of paying tax? Student loans were a socialist idea to increase upward mobility. As the UK couldn`t afford it Blair found student loans which you don`t pay back until you earn over a limit as a compromise. Potentially there is an election winner there for one of the parties `we will scrap all student loans`. But nothing is on the horizon for England yet. Only low skilled employees pay income tax (its true). If you are skilled you get an accountant and for high earners your employer will allow a construct to be setup on your terms to gain you. Even if that means treating you as a business. Edited February 29 by Electric Scooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted February 29 #20 Share Posted February 29 21 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said: Student loans were a socialist idea to increase upward mobility. As the UK couldn`t afford it Blair found student loans which you don`t pay back until you earn over a limit as a compromise. Potentially there is an election winner there for one of the parties `we will scrap all student loans`. But nothing is on the horizon for England yet. Only low skilled employees pay income tax (its true). If you are skilled you get an accountant and for high earners your employer will allow a construct to be setup on your terms to gain you. Even if that means treating you as a business. I’m not advocating for socialism. I’m simply stating a fact. Government spending has skyrocketed above what the tax base can support in most western countries. Governments used to have their own engineers, trades, depots and machinery to build and repair infrastructure. Now every thing goes to private tender and cost blowouts and delays are the norm. As an example: In my home city of Brisbane, the state and local governments with federal funds are widening a major arterial road for 1.5 Km to fit in a dedicated bus lane. The original budget of 500 million dollars and time frame of 2 years has blown out. Granted, Covid slowed things down but it is now finishing after 5 years and a price increase that no body talks about. You do the math. 1.5Km of road widening for half a billion dollars. Calculate what it would cost to build a new road system and it would be fiscally impossible. Privatisation and outsourcing of community services and infrastructure has failed as a business model if government and private companies cannot compete with each other. Allowing private companies to compete with each other only is inviting price gouging and fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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