Telepathy

[+Desertrat56]

On 8/26/2023 at 4:33 AM, Piney said:

I talked about this before. That little chunk of magnetite in the prefrontal cortex is a person's natural compass. 

I think mine is in backwards.   If I am not familar with an area I get north and south confused.   My daughter has a pigeon brain and can find north in a dark cave.  I only mean she has the magnetic ability of a pigeon, she actually has a large brain.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Desertrat56

[Antigonos]

Duplicate post

 
 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Antigonos

[Antigonos]

20 minutes ago, openozy said:

Definitely, I wouldn't call that subtle and a biggy on the telepathy thread. I feel this is classed as paranormal but these things can't be repeated at will. This is the difficult part when it comes to proving it.

You nailed it. There may be a reason why they can’t be repeated but we still have not discovered why. I have wondered why it did not happen more than it did, but I’m not going to discount what I know I personally experienced because of that.

 

[XenoFish]

I do wonder what degree mindset plays in the perception of such experiences. Not just on a conscious, but a sub/unconscious level. 

[+Desertrat56]

19 hours ago, Antigonos said:

There are none that can be said to have reliably objectively proved the reality of telepathy, (or clairvoyance and precognition) but I recommend the studies of Professor Joseph Banks Rhine of Duke University if you’re looking for an in depth look at scientific examination of this subject.

Rhine founded Duke University’s parapsychology lab, the Parapsychology Association and the Journal of Parapsychology. His studies were done at a time when scientists had been taking a serious interest in investigating paranormal phenomena for nearly fifty years. He was a member of England’s Society for Psychical Research which had been founded in 1882.

If you only read one work of his I would choose Extra Sensory Perception published in June 1935. For further reading I would recommend J.B.Rhine: Letters 1923-1939 ESP and the Foundations of Parapsychology in which his letters chronicle his efforts to find reliable evidence of psychic ability in the research lab.

Ultimately you have to decide what his research and conclusions are worth for yourself but I don’t think you’ll find a better or more sober treatment of the subject than Rhine’s examination of it. 

I was responding to @papageorge1 because he claimed there were studies and I want to know what studies he is talking about.  Thanks for the recomendation, it does sound interesting.   In the 70's & 80's I read a lot of stuff like that but I can't remember if I read that one or not.

[XenoFish]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/debunking-myths-the-mind/201804/the-biology-telepathy

[Abramelin]

On 8/17/2023 at 2:26 AM, writtenfromadarkness said:

I am curious to know how many members here believe that telepathy is possible and happens between people without their even knowing it is happening to them, and mistake the voices they are hearing as amental illness? Also, does anyone believe that mentally directing thought forms into one's psyche is possible? I have a viable reason as to why these questions are important to me, and would appreciate this topic being taken seriously enough for mature answers. Thanks.

I think telepathy is possible, although I have no idea how it works.

I've experienced things that I can't explain in another way.

My best 'example':

During the 80s of the past century I worked as a lab assistent in an Eastman-Kodak lab.

Next to the lab was the 'mix room', where thousands of liters of developing, stop, and bleach baths were prepared for several kinds of film emulsions.

One of my collegues, Karin, had been talking with Shimon in that mix room for a while. They were far out of sight of the lab I was in.

At some point they both entered the lab, and I asked this Karin, "What did you mean when you said so and so?"

Both Karin's and Shimon's mouths fell open.

What I had thought she had asked me was like a couple of dozen words in a couple of sentences.

Then Karin said, "But how the hell can you possibly know what I told Shimon when we were at least 30 meters away, and outside of the lab?"

The lab had special safety double glazing, and you could only hear a bomb explode outside of it.

I don't know if it explains anything, but this Karin was madly in love with me, but I didn't give a damn thing about her; she was absolutely not my type.

[openozy]

4 hours ago, Abramelin said:

I don't know if it explains anything, but this Karin was madly in love with me, but I didn't give a damn thing about her; she was absolutely not my type

That's a shame mate, you two sounded very in tune and on the same level, as they say.

[Tatetopa]

Anybody who possessed of a high degree of telepathy would already know that  if they value life and freedom it is a bad idea to ever tell anybody.

[openozy]

7 hours ago, XenoFish said:

I do wonder what degree mindset plays in the perception of such experiences. Not just on a conscious, but a sub/unconscious level. 

I don't know but heaps of people will be thinking about someone and then get a phone call from them. I don't know if that's called mindset.

[XenoFish]

I think that the evil eye and mirror neurons are related in some sense. Perhaps the effect of gazing into another eyes and the use of words induces a hypnosis type of effect? I need to look into this more.

[+joc]

On 8/27/2023 at 6:54 PM, openozy said:

I don't know but heaps of people will be thinking about someone and then get a phone call from them. I don't know if that's called mindset.

Coincidences happen all the time.  Who catalogues who they think about? No one.  So, we forget that we think about someone...and then we think of them just as they were calling.  It happens.  Doesn't mean they  got some psychic signal from you.  

[openozy]

1 minute ago, joc said:

Doesn't mean they  got some psychic signal from you.

True but it's a lot of coincidences.

[openozy]

3 minutes ago, joc said:

Coincidences happen all the time.  Who catalogues who they think about? No one.  So, we forget that we think about someone...and then we think of them just as they were calling.  It happens.  Doesn't mean they  got some psychic signal from you.  

I was actually just trying to make skeptics feel like they had something special.

[+Desertrat56]

14 hours ago, XenoFish said:

I think that the evil eye and mirror neurons are related in some sense. Perhaps the effect of gazing into another eyes and the use of words induces a hypnosis type of effect? I need to look into this more.

There was a "new age" group I visited once, I think they had a "guru" visiting and my friend wanted me to go along.   The first thing the "guru" did was have everyone pair up with someone they didn't know and star into each other's eyes.   It was very weird.   I don't remember what the point was, but everyone there was trying to emit love and light so there was no honesty in that room for more than a few seconds at a time.

[XenoFish]

5 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

There was a "new age" group I visited once, I think they had a "guru" visiting and my friend wanted me to go along.   The first thing the "guru" did was have everyone pair up with someone they didn't know and star into each other's eyes.   It was very weird.   I don't remember what the point was, but everyone there was trying to emit love and light so there was no honesty in that room for more than a few seconds at a time.

What were the results?

Edited August 29, 2023 by XenoFish

[+Desertrat56]

24 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

What were the results?

I didn't get much out of it.   I think the guy I was staring eyes with was afraid.  Like I said it was hard to tell what the results were because no one was being genuine as far as I could tell.   If you have ever visited one of those groups from the 80's you find yourself surrounded by a bunch of bliss bunnies and no one can stay in bliss permanantly so there is a lot of passive aggresive behavior since you are supposed to be emitting love and light 24/7.   Not to mention, if there is a "guru" present, there is a lot of fawning over nonsense.

[+Liquid Gardens]

On 8/27/2023 at 2:07 PM, Abramelin said:

I've experienced things that I can't explain in another way.

I hadn't really thought of it this way until reading your story but I wonder why telepathy is a more realistic possibility than for example that you had an episode of very sensitive hearing. I understand you were out of normal earshot and had walls and glass between you but I'm not sure you having the temporary exceptional ability to hear anyway is any more unlikely than you temporarily having the exceptional ability of telepathy.  Both instances would be 'beyond science' but at least with sound transfer we do have a known mechanism by which it works.

[+Desertrat56]

17 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

I hadn't really thought of it this way until reading your story but I wonder why telepathy is a more realistic possibility than for example that you had an episode of very sensitive hearing. I understand you were out of normal earshot and had walls and glass between you but I'm not sure you having the temporary exceptional ability to hear anyway is any more unlikely than you temporarily having the exceptional ability of telepathy.  Both instances would be 'beyond science' but at least with sound transfer we do have a known mechanism by which it works.

It just seems like grasping though, doesn't it?  Though I get that when there is something unexplainable we all want to try to explain it.   My experience with telapathy is varied partly because of the age I was when I noticed each time.   When my brother and I were very young I remember having a non-verbal converstation about which candy bar we wanted at the grocery store.  We were so little we were used to sharing a candy bar, so we felt we could choose one to share.   Our mother was checking out the groceries and we agreed on one and took it with us out of the store, at which point my mother noticed we had it.   She flipped out because her children were stealing.   That is how young we were, we had no concept of that, the candy was down low where we could reach it.  

As an adult new my boss was an out of control drug addict (only prescription drugs), she was so out of it that if someone complained about something she would get her purse and offer them a pill.   One day before a meeting she and I were waiting in the hall for the meeting before ours to get out.  I looked at her and saw/knew that she was pregnant (6 weeks maybe, she was not showing).   Later I said something to her about it and she flipped out.  She had just been promoted and was afraid that she would loose her job if the big boss found out she was pregnant (an insane fear because it was the 90's).   She had only told one person and it was our ex boss, who I was friends with.   She thought that person had blabbed and I could not convince her that she hadn't, how do you tell someone "I just saw it when I was looking at you this morning."?   Telepathy is not language based, it is a different kind of communication.  My theory is that if you have a fear of someone finding something out and you fixate on that, it is right there for anyone to "see".  If you have a secret the best way to keep it is to not think about it. 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Desertrat56

[XenoFish]

21 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

I hadn't really thought of it this way until reading your story but I wonder why telepathy is a more realistic possibility than for example that you had an episode of very sensitive hearing. I understand you were out of normal earshot and had walls and glass between you but I'm not sure you having the temporary exceptional ability to hear anyway is any more unlikely than you temporarily having the exceptional ability of telepathy.  Both instances would be 'beyond science' but at least with sound transfer we do have a known mechanism by which it works.

I think telepathy might be more possible than psychokinesis. It's just figuring out how. Technically speak this medium is a form of distant communication. 

[Abramelin]

57 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

I hadn't really thought of it this way until reading your story but I wonder why telepathy is a more realistic possibility than for example that you had an episode of very sensitive hearing. I understand you were out of normal earshot and had walls and glass between you but I'm not sure you having the temporary exceptional ability to hear anyway is any more unlikely than you temporarily having the exceptional ability of telepathy.  Both instances would be 'beyond science' but at least with sound transfer we do have a known mechanism by which it works.

I don't think it had anything to do with my hearing capacities, hightened or not.

Aside of what I already posted, the mix room was most always filled with the noise of running engines/machines.

[Abramelin]

To be honest, I don't really like talking about these kind of experiences.

But after having a few strong beers right now - as I do 365 days a year, I don't care.

Other examples of my 'weirdness' are saying a statement someone I'm talking with was thinking about. And that would be not some word, but a couple of sentences, or some crazy idea someone was about to say.

 

I'll regret this next morining, <sigh>

 

[+Liquid Gardens]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

It just seems like grasping though, doesn't it?

I'm not sure, if you mean is extraordinary hearing as an answer more 'grasping' than telepathy I'm not sure about that.  Both are things that normally do not happen and no one is reliable at doing.

1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

I think telepathy might be more possible than psychokinesis. It's just figuring out how. Technically speak this medium is a form of distant communication. 

Possibly, I'd have to look it up but I think telepathy might be breaking as many scientific rules as psychokinesis but not sure.  'Figuring out how' involves identifying the medium by which the thoughts are transmitted, finding what is transmitting the thoughts out from our brain and then what is receiving them.  Ultimately possible, but it's odd that no one has encountered these mechanisms yet.

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

I don't think it had anything to do with my hearing capacities, hightened or not.

Aside of what I already posted, the mix room was most always filled with the noise of running engines/machines.

Sure, but I wonder how many thoughts were going on within 30 meters of you if this was telepathy, seems like that would produce a lot of 'noise' too.  I thought it was interesting in your story that it seems like you thought maybe you did just overhear it but didn't realize until Karin said something that they were actually so far away.

[XenoFish]

6 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Possibly, I'd have to look it up but I think telepathy might be breaking as many scientific rules as psychokinesis but not sure.  'Figuring out how' involves identifying the medium by which the thoughts are transmitted, finding what is transmitting the thoughts out from our brain and then what is receiving them.  Ultimately possible, but it's odd that no one has encountered these mechanisms yet.

See post #31

[Abramelin]

Heh, I'll just rant along.

I don't know if my next story has any connectìon with "telepathy', but I'll tell you about it anyway.

My father died in 1977, the 12th of june, just 3 weeks before he and I would celibrate our birthday on the 4th of july.

A couple of weeks before my birthday in 1978, I had a dream.

I dreamt that my father had bought me a secondhand bike, a black transporter bike. Its only.problem was that the saddle was a bit wobbly.

 

I used to have a racing-bycicle, but my father had to repair that bike often because I - when drunk of a student event (in the 70s of the past century) - I crashed the front wheel trying to ride onto the pavement, sidewalk, whatevr, and forgetting it was half a foot higher than the road.

My father told me in my dream that I needed a stronger bike, and showed me this  black transporter bike. Only the saddle was wobbly.

Ok. It was my birthday, 1978.

And what did my mother give me: a black transporter bike.

And... the saddle was wobbly.

I drove that bike for 25 years, btw.

Many years later I asked my mother if that bike she gave me was second-hand. But she always denied that.