Telepathy

[Abramelin]

20 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

 

Sure, but I wonder how many thoughts were going on within 30 meters of you if this was telepathy, seems like that would produce a lot of 'noise' too.  I thought it was interesting in your story that it seems like you thought maybe you did just overhear it but didn't realize until Karin said something that they were actually so far away.

Firstt: I could NOT possibly have overheard their conversation. I hope I made that clear.

 

"Sure, but I wonder how many thoughts were going on within 30 meters of you if this was telepathy, seems like that would produce a lot of 'noise' too"

I seemed to have "picked up' one of those thoughts that impressed me, concerned me, interested me ... I don't rememember.

[Abramelin]

This is the end of the topic, for me.

[XenoFish]

7 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

This is the end of the topic, for me.

This was a post and run thread to begin with. Since the thread starter hasn't returned. 

[trevor borocz johnson]

On 8/16/2023 at 8:26 PM, writtenfromadarkness said:

I am curious to know how many members here believe that telepathy is possible and happens between people without their even knowing it is happening to them, and mistake the voices they are hearing as amental illness? Also, does anyone believe that mentally directing thought forms into one's psyche is possible? I have a viable reason as to why these questions are important to me, and would appreciate this topic being taken seriously enough for mature answers. Thanks.

Sometimes I like to count my blessings that telepathy isn't a part of nature, even when I'm knee deep in a rabbit hole. If telepathy were suddenly real, that would cause enormous problems. As you know, voices that seem like telepathy can torture a human into suicide. Just think if telepathy were real, evil could manipulate it to cause complete destruction of the world! Law would have no defense against telepathy torture. I sometimes wonder if telepathy existed at some point in the universe and was so evil that it evolved out of existence? So be grateful you can't listen to what someone else is hallucinating and be a voice to their thoughts. 

Also: this information will help you with schizo visual hallucinations

Tailbone wagging causes dizzyness while sitting still
It wags when breathing changes during excitement
knowledge of it is more important when you are alone
when with others it can be noticeable esp. if you are comfortable with them
dizzyness can occur alone in the balance system, the vision, the center of the forehead

This trick is still useful, while starring at something, pay attention to an object in your peripheral's, after a second the object will wobble, change what object in your peripheral's you are paying attention to on another object buy asking 'what's in that?' then change your focus to no object and your whole vision will wobble then check your tailbone.

Edited August 29, 2023 by trevor borocz johnson

[Abramelin]

38 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Heh, I'll just rant along.

I don't know if my next story has any connectìon with "telepathy', but I'll tell you about it anyway.

My father died in 1977, the 12th of june, just 3 weeks before he and I would celibrate our birthday on the 4th of july.

A couple of weeks before my birthday in 1978, I had a dream.

I dreamt that my father had bought me a secondhand bike, a black transporter bike. Its only.problem was that the saddle was a bit wobbly.

 

I used to have a racing-bycicle, but my father had to repair that bike often because I - when drunk of a student event (in the 70s of the past century) - I crashed the front wheel trying to ride onto the pavement, sidewalk, whatevr, and forgetting it was half a foot higher than the road.

My father told me in my dream that I needed a stronger bike, and showed me this  black transporter bike. Only the saddle was wobbly.

Ok. It was my birthday, 1978.

And what did my mother give me: a black transporter bike.

And... the saddle was wobbly.

I drove that bike for 25 years, btw.

Many years later I asked my mother if that bike she gave me was second-hand. But she always denied that.

 

 

 

 

 

I told my mother about my dream.

From the way she looked at me, I just knew she thought I was weird.

Btw, I never really   liked her.

She was a tyrant.

[+Desertrat56]

24 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

Sometimes I like to count my blessings that telepathy isn't a part of nature, even when I'm knee deep in a rabbit hole. If telepathy were suddenly real, that would cause enormous problems. As you know, voices that seem like telepathy can torture a human into suicide. Just think if telepathy were real, evil could manipulate it to cause complete destruction of the world! Law would have no defense against telepathy torture. I sometimes wonder if telepathy existed at some point in the universe and was so evil that it evolved out of existence? So be grateful you can't listen to what someone else is hallucinating and be a voice to their thoughts. 

Also: this information will help you with schizo visual hallucinations

Tailbone wagging causes dizzyness while sitting still
It wags when breathing changes during excitement
knowledge of it is more important when you are alone
when with others it can be noticeable esp. if you are comfortable with them
dizzyness can occur alone in the balance system, the vision, the center of the forehead

This trick is still useful, while starring at something, pay attention to an object in your peripheral's, after a second the object will wobble, change what object in your peripheral's you are paying attention to on another object buy asking 'what's in that?' then change your focus to no object and your whole vision will wobble then check your tailbone.

The thing that might help you is to remember that voices in your head are Not Telepathy.  No matter what those voices tell you, it is Not coming from another human.   

Edited August 29, 2023 by Desertrat56

[trevor borocz johnson]

2 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

The thing that might help you is to remember that voices in your head are Not Telepathy.  No matter what those voices tell you, it is Not coming from another human.   

It's more about set beliefs. For example ask yourself the question ' can voices hear each other?' Your answer will determine what goes on in a hallucination. Often its the thoughts that are most recent that voices will re assure you of. If you forget what it is they go on about for ten seconds they will forget as well. That's not a normal human trait. Lately I've been manipulating a belief that if my mind produces voices, that I can call on it for voices that are of a higher power. But set beliefs like 'voices can hear me thinking' that you set at 100% when in reality it will always be unanswered, and your beliefs will always determine what goes on next, you could test the foundations of your beliefs and find that 90% of the time what you hear is insults that don't make sense to your thought train and emotions that go with it.

[+Desertrat56]

5 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

It's more about set beliefs. For example ask yourself the question ' can voices hear each other?' Your answer will determine what goes on in a hallucination. Often its the thoughts that are most recent that voices will re assure you of. If you forget what it is they go on about for ten seconds they will forget as well. That's not a normal human trait. Lately I've been manipulating a belief that if my mind produces voices, that I can call on it for voices that are of a higher power. But set beliefs like 'voices can hear me thinking' that you set at 100% when in reality it will always be unanswered, and your beliefs will always determine what goes on next, you could test the foundations of your beliefs and find that 90% of the time what you hear is insults that don't make sense to your thought train and emotions that go with it.

I don't think that is external.  My dad suffered from the voices always telling him lies and he would be angry at people for saying things they didn't say.  He never admitted it was voices until my brother died.   Then he  said "The voices never tell you anything good."  which is not my experience.   I think you have to ignore the insults, tell them "No!" You don't have to allow the voices.   It is something you have to examine, when are they insulting you, what were you thinking at the time, what was going on around you at the time, what emotions are you feeling and how do they change when the voices insult you?   When you recognize a pattern you can figure out how to train your self to think differently.   It isn't easy, it takes a lot of work, 24/7

Blessings to you Trevor.

Edited August 29, 2023 by Desertrat56

[Theo Retical]

For people believing in telepathy or hearing voices, I would recommend this book:

https://books.google.de/books?id=Y3DdEAAAQBAJ

It gives an explanation how this can be possible. In short: Telepathy cannot be a natural phenomenon because if it were a natural phenomenon, then there would have been a strong selection pressure in humans towards it. Then it would now be part of everyday life, which is not the case. On the other hand, telepathy is probably not a non-exisiting phenomenon because there is statistical evidence for it.

[MrsGently]

23 minutes ago, Theo Retical said:

For people believing in telepathy or hearing voices, I would recommend this book:

https://books.google.de/books?id=Y3DdEAAAQBAJ

It gives an explanation how this can be possible. In short: Telepathy cannot be a natural phenomenon because if it were a natural phenomenon, then there would have been a strong selection pressure in humans towards it. Then it would now be part of everyday life, which is not the case. On the other hand, telepathy is probably not a non-exisiting phenomenon because there is statistical evidence for it.

I mean who's to say there wasn't, right? A natural selection towards it might be in progress. It might be that we will split into those choosing to pursue it with implants and through technology, and those who ... somehow 'mutate naturally'.

But as of now, nope telepathy is a coinflip. Remote Viewing is slightly above a coinflip but like by 10% and that can be just common sense, or what one can read out of the parameters given.

[+Desertrat56]

42 minutes ago, Theo Retical said:

For people believing in telepathy or hearing voices, I would recommend this book:

https://books.google.de/books?id=Y3DdEAAAQBAJ

It gives an explanation how this can be possible. In short: Telepathy cannot be a natural phenomenon because if it were a natural phenomenon, then there would have been a strong selection pressure in humans towards it. Then it would now be part of everyday life, which is not the case. On the other hand, telepathy is probably not a non-exisiting phenomenon because there is statistical evidence for it.

I disagree, the strong selection pattern has been against telepathic abilities for eons (maybe since the romans created christianity).   Telepathy is natural, we all experience it as children but we are chastised if we mention it in any way, "the work of the devil" or "you are crazy", etc.   No, I KNOW telepathy is a human possibility and natural.   

Edited March 5 by Desertrat56

[MrsGently]

1 minute ago, Desertrat56 said:

I disagree, the strong selection pattern has been against telepathic abilities for eons (maybe since the romans created christianity).   Telepathy is natural, we all experience it as children but we are chastised if we mention it in any way, "the work of the devil" or "you are crazy", etc.   No, I KNOW telepathy is a human possibility and natural.   

Honestly though I believe that is that one can see how much stronger empathy is in a still 'innocent' (less deluded) mind of children. That is reading subtle things like body language and emotional expression and not per se 'telepathy' just 'feelz'. And on bigger distances who knows maybe imagination is not 'making things up' like we think but 'feeling at a distance'?

[+Desertrat56]

9 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

Honestly though I believe that is that one can see how much stronger empathy is in a still 'innocent' (less deluded) mind of children. That is reading subtle things like body language and emotional expression and not per se 'telepathy' just 'feelz'. And on bigger distances who knows maybe imagination is not 'making things up' like we think but 'feeling at a distance'?

Yes, in our family babies cried when my dad would walk in the door because he was always angry.   I saw it in my kids when they would have a meltdown when some stranger tried to talk to them.   I trusted their reactions just like I trust my dogs, who love people but occassionaly get protective when certain people get too close (those people obviously are not trustworthy).

I think telepathy and empathy are similar, one is emotional the other is rational.   I had some instances with my neices and my daughters that proved to me that they were telepathic, but they learned once they started school to be quiet about it.   I also remember my cousin and I both had little brothers that did not talk until they were 3 because their big sister spoke for them.   😄   We had very inattentive parents, stressed mothers and drunk fathers, so the babies did not get what they needed if we didn't speak up for them.

We are all more than the sum of our physical parts and our consciousness does not reside in the brain.

Edited March 5 by Desertrat56

[Theo Retical]

11 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I disagree, the strong selection pattern has been against telepathic abilities for eons (maybe since the romans created christianity).   Telepathy is natural, we all experience it as children but we are chastised if we mention it in any way, "the work of the devil" or "you are crazy", etc.   No, I KNOW telepathy is a human possibility and natural.   

You need to distinguish telepathy and "hearing voices". There is selection pressure against "hearing voices" because the voices usually do not tell the truth. But there would be a selection towards telepathy when it is defined as the ability to communicate and feel at a distance. 

[+Desertrat56]

7 minutes ago, Theo Retical said:

You need to distinguish telepathy and "hearing voices". There is selection pressure against "hearing voices" because the voices usually do not tell the truth. But there would be a selection towards telepathy when it is defined as the ability to communicate and feel at a distance. 

I agree that telepathy is not the same as "hearing voices".   Hearing voices can be caused by a lot of different things (some medications, "demons" or disembodied entities taking advantage of a weak mind, etc)

Hearing voices is not always a bad thing but it can be a sign of mental instability if it is negative or egocentric (lke "you are special", "we chose you because you can...").   Telepathy is not usually words, it is communication at the level below language.   

I have heard a voice in my head that did not seem to be me (but could have been my "higher self") that helped me avoid 3 different auto accidents by warning me soon enough to react to something ahead of me.  Maybe it was my awareness that we are trained to ignore.  We all have access to so much information we have to learn to filter a lot of it out so that we can stay sane, maybe the voices I have heard and the impulses that some people have that save their lives are that, us tapping in to information we need that we usually ignore.

Edited March 5 by Desertrat56

[MrsGently]

8 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

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I think telepathy and empathy are similar, one is emotional the other is rational.   ...

Exactly that. That is why telepathy doesn't work. LOL our mind as about as 'rational' as a bag of worms. All the 'dirty socks' (what I call the sum of all false truths, bias and delusions) mess up the process of it. Making it impossible.

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... We are all more than the sum of our physical parts and our consciousness does not reside in the brain.

^^^^^^^^ that was why I put it as 'feeling at a distance' based on spooky action at a distance. If we accept the world has a 'level' of quantum mechanics which is basis for our atoms and we are atoms, part of my 'inner quantum mechanics' is probably entangled with a bunch of stuff out there. That's just logical.

[MrsGently]

11 minutes ago, Theo Retical said:

You need to distinguish telepathy and "hearing voices". There is selection pressure against "hearing voices" because the voices usually do not tell the truth. But there would be a selection towards telepathy when it is defined as the ability to communicate and feel at a distance. 

I honestly think the poor souls who have it so bad that they 'hear voices' are misunderstood antennas. Stronger entangled (if you read my previous post) than the rest of us. i.e. if there would be a selection towards it these are our prime 'studs and mares'.

imho

[+Desertrat56]

2 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

Exactly that. That is why telepathy doesn't work. LOL our mind as about as 'rational' as a bag of worms. All the 'dirty socks' (what I call the sum of all false truths, bias and delusions) mess up the process of it. Making it impossible.

^^^^^^^^ that was why I put it as 'feeling at a distance' based on spooky action at a distance. If we accept the world has a 'level' of quantum mechanics which is basis for our atoms and we are atoms, part of my 'inner quantum mechanics' is probably entangled with a bunch of stuff out there. That's just logical.

I don't think the physical world we experience is actually at a quantum level, our conscioussness is quantum and that is why we have so much trouble accepting things we cannot explain.   "I know something I don't know" type of stuff, like me daydreaming in the front seat of my mother's van as she is driving (also probably daydreaming) and somethingn pulls my vision to notice a car 3 blocks away coming towards us at 70 mph running stop signs.  I told my mother "Watch out, that guy is going to run the stop sign."  She jerked and took her foot off the gas, saw him and put it on the brake, he flew by across 4 lanes of traffic, somehow missing everyone and continued on the cross street without slowing down.   Unexplainable how I would have gotten that but I did.  The other two times it was a voice that said "watch out for that car ahead"  all 3 times I was not driving but me speaking up caused the driver to put their foot on the brake and avoid an accident.   I think telepathy it part of that but not the whole story.

[MrsGently]

2 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I don't think the physical world we experience is actually at a quantum level, our conscioussness is quantum ..

well it is. information, strings, quarks molecules, atoms. In that order, if you ask me. But of course you're entitled to your opinion. 

Our consciousness to me arises out of the basis of it, because information is nothing if it isn't 'processed'. The rest emerges because cosnciousness needs 'storage space' for the information and its derivatives.

 

I mean me and a friend were driving home with average 220 km/h from Venlo to Freising always having a little fun with the guys as 'clearing the street partnership' and we got through without accident, many of them didn't, just one said goodbye at the right exit.

It was a little spooky. But what that is? Guarding angels? Internal 'intelligence units' that made us slow down and seperate from them in time? I don't know. Well at least we always got through before there was time for a traffic jam to form. Like less than a minute.

[+Desertrat56]

8 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

well it is. information, strings, quarks molecules, atoms. In that order, if you ask me. But of course you're entitled to your opinion. 

Our consciousness to me arises out of the basis of it, because information is nothing if it isn't 'processed'. The rest emerges because cosnciousness needs 'storage space' for the information and its derivatives.

 

I mean me and a friend were driving home with average 220 km/h from Venlo to Freising always having a little fun with the guys as 'clearing the street partnership' and we got through without accident, many of them didn't, just one said goodbye at the right exit.

It was a little spooky. But what that is? Guarding angels? Internal 'intelligence units' that made us slow down and seperate from them in time? I don't know. Well at least we always got through before there was time for a traffic jam to form. Like less than a minute.

I have met people who have had experiences, one woman always drove in the far left lane on the L.A. freeway (the fast lane) and one day as she was barreling down the freeway at 90 mph in the fast lane felt a nudge (mental) to pull over to the lane to the right, after she did that the car she had been behind hit the wall and spun around crashing head on with the car that had been behind her.   Another friend told me he was riding with his sister on a divided highway with two lanes each way.  She was driving in the left lane going up a hill, she felt a need to move to the right lane and as they topped the hill they saw that an accident had just happened in the left lane, they would have been part of that accident if she hadn't had an impulse to change lanes.    It happens a lot and people sometimes think about it and other times don't, just feel lucky.   We are all connected to everything, we are just taught to ignore a lot of information in order to pretend like we are lowly, stupid humans.

[Theo Retical]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

I agree that telepathy is not the same as "hearing voices".   Hearing voices can be caused by a lot of different things (some medications, "demons" or disembodied entities taking advantage of a weak mind, etc)

Hearing voices is not always a bad thing but it can be a sign of mental instability if it is negative or egocentric (lke "you are special", "we chose you because you can...").   Telepathy is not usually words, it is communication at the level below language.   

I have heard a voice in my head that did not seem to be me (but could have been my "higher self") that helped me avoid 3 different auto accidents by warning me soon enough to react to something ahead of me.  Maybe it was my awareness that we are trained to ignore.  We all have access to so much information we have to learn to filter a lot of it out so that we can stay sane, maybe the voices I have heard and the impulses that some people have that save their lives are that, us tapping in to information we need that we usually ignore.

In the book I mentioned above there is a chapter on the Zeta interviews and on the higher self. That section is not based on science but on channeling, but I think that this is what you are talking about. A spiritualist would say: It was not your higher self, it was your guide who warned you. Scientists would say that it was just in your imagination.

Edited March 5 by Theo Retical

[XenoFish]

Crazy people will always look for an excuse to "be special". It's schizophrenia not telepathy. Time to grow up people.

[+Desertrat56]

40 minutes ago, Theo Retical said:

In the book I mentioned above there is a chapter on the Zeta interviews and on the higher self. That section is not based on science but on channeling, but I think that this is what you are talking about. A spiritualist would say: It was not your higher self, it was your guide who warned you. Scientists would say that it was just in your imagination.

And they would probably all be wrong.   We are more than the sum of our physical parts and channelers do not report anything that goes against their bias, whether they are really in touch with disembodied spirits or not, there is no way to tell the veracity of what the channeler "hears" from them.   Scientists are usually physicalists and do not acknowledge anythingn non-physical that hasn't already been documented (or most don't because they can't get paid for it).

[MrsGently]

20 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

And they would probably all be wrong.   We are more than the sum of our physical parts and channelers do not report anything that goes against their bias, whether they are really in touch with disembodied spirits or not, there is no way to tell the veracity of what the channeler "hears" from them.   Scientists are usually physicalists and do not acknowledge anythingn non-physical that hasn't already been documented (or most don't because they can't get paid for it).

exactly like Puharich & Geller when they made their 'experiments' in channeling The 9. They thought they got something but then it got pretty soon obvious that it was just wishful thinking.

'We're going to land any minute now on the White House lawn' type of stuff lol

[MrsGently]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

...  We are all connected to everything, we are just taught to ignore a lot of information in order to pretend like we are lowly, stupid humans.

exactly that. The Fundamental Interconnectedness Of All Things by Douglas Adams

Some of my quarks know some of your quarks and this way the chain continues until everybody basically by the power of 'I know someone who knows someone' know everybody's quarks, we are all connected.

Edited March 5 by MrsGently
k! maybe one day I will learn to proof read